Since Floyd is gone, what is your P4P 10?

[Chepppaaa]

P4P 10

1. Rigondeaux
2. Golovkin
3. Kovalev
4. Lara *
5. Gonzales
6. Ward
7. Crawford
8. Walthers *
9. Pacquiao
10. Canelo

memorable mention: Estrada, Cotto, Inoue, Brook


* like I said often times, lara won against 2 of the most dangerous boxers in the last several years (canelo and williams), he is the most technicle and athletic superb 154 boxer.

* to me, a totaly underrated guy. a powerhouse, watch him destroy super featherweight division

[gilgamesh]

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergey Kovalev
4. Wladimir Klitschko
5. Gennady Golovkin
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Terrence Crawford
9. Shinsuke Yamanaka
10. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez

11. Juan Francisco Estrada
12. Takashi Uchiyama
13. Donnie Nietes
14. Miguel Cotto
15. Tim Bradley

Several fights that can potentially shake this up soon.

[Aaronide_ger]

1.Wladimir Klitschko (Dominating for 10 years straight, hasnt been in a close fight for 10 years now)
2.Roman Gonzalez (3 Division World champion, amazing record, none has come close to beating him except Estrada)
3.Sergey Kovalev (Unified world champion, owns 3 of the 4 belts, beat the best names in his divison except Stevenson, Beast power)
4.Gennady Golovkin (14 title defenses, 5 years of dominance, beat seven top10 Middleweight opponents, is on his way to unify)
5.Andre Ward (Hasnt done anything relevant for the past 3 years, a tune up fight against Paul Smith this year, his skills seem to be the same as 2 years ago)
6.Manny Pacquiao (Before loss to Floyd he was #2, Nothing wrong losing to #1 P4P, Still favoring him to beat most of his division opponents)
7.Guillermo Rigondeaux (Amazing talent, lack of quality opponents over the last years hurt his p4p ranking)
8.Terence Crawford (Great 2014 year, 2 division world champion, dominating anyone since capturing his first title)
9.Canelo Alvarez (Fighting the best since winning his first world title, only loss to #1 P4P Floyd, Close win against highly regarded Lara)
10.Juan Estrada (Only loss to #2 P4P Roman Gonzalez, beat unified champion Viloria, has stucked great defenses of his titles since, is still 25 years old)

[Ricky_]

These Rigondeaux p4p posts you keep making are bizarre. Bnovelist bizarre.

[caldo2025]

Riggo's been knocked down 3 times in 4 fights so yeah, he should definitely be at the top of these lists. That's dominance. Plus he's had SO many professional fights so far. Has he hit 17 yet? Joke.

GGG #1
Kovalev#2
Roman Helmet #3
who cares about the rest

[jezzamundo]

Very good lists from The Revival and Aaronide_ger.

[Ian1973]

1 Golovkin
2 Klitschko
3 Ward
4 Gonzalez
5 Kovalev
6 Rigondeaux
7 Alvarez
8 Pacquiao
9 Crawford
10 Thurman

[Freedom2013]

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Sergey Kovalev
3. Roman Gonzalez
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Guillermo Rigondeaux
6. Terence Crawford
7. Kell Brook
8. Manny Pacquiao
9. Shinsuke Yamanaka
10. Canelo Alvarez

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Sergey Kovalev
3. Andre Ward
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Guillermo Rigodeaux
6. Terence Crawford
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Naoyo Inoue
9. Juan Francisco Estrada
10. Nicholas Walters

[Bobbyptsd]

P4P 10

1. Rigondeaux
2. Golovkin
3. Kovalev
4. Lara *
5. Gonzales
6. Ward
7. Crawford
8. Walthers *
9. Pacquiao
10. Canelo

memorable mention: Estrada, Cotto, Inoue, Brook


* like I said often times, lara won against 2 of the most dangerous boxers in the last several years (canelo and williams), he is the most technicle and athletic superb 154 boxer.

* to me, a totaly underrated guy. a powerhouse, watch him destroy super featherweight division

He didn't though, I mean, unless you just plain ignore body shots, I guess. He also got knocked down by that other top pfp fighter, future hall of famer Alfredo Angulo, in case you forgot that. Oh, and he drew with the legendary Carlos Molina in a fight where he was barely more active than a rock.

And who the hell is "underrating" Walters? He's one of the more highly regarded fighters in the world.

[Chepppaaa]

P4P 10

1. Rigondeaux
2. Golovkin
3. Kovalev
4. Lara *
5. Gonzales
6. Ward
7. Crawford
8. Walthers *
9. Pacquiao
10. Canelo

memorable mention: Estrada, Cotto, Inoue, Brook


* like I said often times, lara won against 2 of the most dangerous boxers in the last several years (canelo and williams), he is the most technicle and athletic superb 154 boxer.

* to me, a totaly underrated guy. a powerhouse, watch him destroy super featherweight division

He didn't though, I mean, unless you just plain ignore body shots, I guess. He also got knocked down by that other top pfp fighter, future hall of famer Alfredo Angulo, in case you forgot that. Oh, and he drew with the legendary Carlos Molina in a fight where he was barely more active than a rock.

And who the hell is "underrating" Walters? He's one of the more highly regarded fighters in the world.

he schooled canelo, like canelo has never been schooled before and after. sure, lara was stupid giving some later rounds away by simply running and doing nothing.

but funny thing is, if lara does that its called, he did nothing and lost rounds, when floyd did the same, it was called defensive masterpiece and he won rounds, just doing nothing and running.

as far as the the other fights you mentioned, it happens, its boxing. when you fight aggressiv with a powerful puncher, than you can end up on your back for a couple of secondes. even against b-c level opponents, wlad vs purity, wlad vs saunders etc, just sayn. can happen to anybody. ones lara decides to box technicle, than nobody has a chance, canelo didnt have one and could do nothing, same as paul williams, both easy wins for lara. change of style. thats all, had floyd decides to brawl like lara did often times or stand toe to toe with guys like maidana or cotto, than he would have had losses on his resume, simple as that. but he decides to box with his iq. same as lara, you cant name me somebody more athletic, with better technic around 147, 154-middleweight than lara, simple as that, he is the best. he schooled canelo better than floyd schooled canelo. he beat trout like trout was nothing and sometime ago, the same trout was beating cotto with no problem. now everybody is on cottos di/() and some put him in a top 10, but lara not...come on, stop the stupidity youngster

and hell yeah is walthers getting underrated, i dont see him on so many p4p top 10 lists.

[Chepppaaa]

Riggo's been knocked down 3 times in 4 fights so yeah, he should definitely be at the top of these lists. That's dominance. Plus he's had SO many professional fights so far. Has he hit 17 yet? Joke.

GGG #1
Kovalev#2
Roman Helmet #3
who cares about the rest

why are you contradicting yourself. you said rigo has not many fights, so having a lot of fights is important to you?
so why than choose somebody with 33 fights ggg over somebody with 67 fights wlad as p4p #1 ?

rigo has 15 fights and beat a "at that time" p4p top 3 opponent in prime donaire, made him look like a boy from school. thats dominance !!!!!!!
rigo has the best footwork in boxing, is the most athletic gifted boxer on earth and the most technicly well rounded boxer on earth, thats dominance !!!!!!!

ggg has 33 fights, which isnt much either and beat 0 a level boxer and 0 p4p top 10 opponent!
he is a powerful puncher, but is nowhere as technicly superb than rigondeaux. same on speed and footwork level.

[ikorolev]

ggg has 33 fights, which isnt much either and beat 0 a level boxer and 0 p4p top 10 opponent!
he is a powerful puncher, but is nowhere as technicly superb than rigondeaux. same on speed and footwork level.

... but, but, but for some reason, nobody drops GGG down even though he fights in a division with significantly stronger fighters.

[Chepppaaa]

ggg has 33 fights, which isnt much either and beat 0 a level boxer and 0 p4p top 10 opponent!
he is a powerful puncher, but is nowhere as technicly superb than rigondeaux. same on speed and footwork level.

... but, but, but for some reason, nobody drops GGG down even though he fights in a division with significantly stronger fighters.

who cares about a drop down hahahahaha.....

prime muhammad ali got dropped down

even prime jones got dropped, remember 98....

so, now prime ali and prime jones are worse than ggg

[Bobbyptsd]

ggg has 33 fights, which isnt much either and beat 0 a level boxer and 0 p4p top 10 opponent!
he is a powerful puncher, but is nowhere as technicly superb than rigondeaux. same on speed and footwork level.

... but, but, but for some reason, nobody drops GGG down even though he fights in a division with significantly stronger fighters.

You are forgetting the AWESOME ABILITY of Erislandy Lara! Why even talk about GGG?!?!?!

[jezzamundo]

Very good lists from The Revival and Aaronide_ger.

Oh, except for Wlad at #1 - dominating a weak division doesn't do much for me.

[Chepppaaa]

Update

P4P 10

1. Rigondeaux
2. Golovkin
3. Kovalev
4. Lara *
5. Gonzales
6. Ward
7. Crawford
8. Walthers *
9. Estrada
10. Pacquiao

memorable mention: Canelo, Cotto, Inoue, Wilder

[Neil Gee]

1. GGG
2. Andre Ward
3. Klitschko
4. Timothy Bradley
5. Rigondeaux
6. Sergey Kovalev
7. Roman Gonzalez
8. Saul Alvarez
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Carl Frampton

[caldo2025]

Riggo's been knocked down 3 times in 4 fights so yeah, he should definitely be at the top of these lists. That's dominance. Plus he's had SO many professional fights so far. Has he hit 17 yet? Joke.

GGG #1
Kovalev#2
Roman Helmet #3
who cares about the rest

why are you contradicting yourself. you said rigo has not many fights, so having a lot of fights is important to you?
so why than choose somebody with 33 fights ggg over somebody with 67 fights wlad as p4p #1 ?

rigo has 15 fights and beat a "at that time" p4p top 3 opponent in prime donaire, made him look like a boy from school. thats dominance !!!!!!!
rigo has the best footwork in boxing, is the most athletic gifted boxer on earth and the most technicly well rounded boxer on earth, thats dominance !!!!!!!

ggg has 33 fights, which isnt much either and beat 0 a level boxer and 0 p4p top 10 opponent!
he is a powerful puncher, but is nowhere as technicly superb than rigondeaux. same on speed and footwork level.

Yes, Riggo is SO gifted that he can't find a network that will show his fights. Even Top Rank, in the midst of losing their empire of boxers, doesn't even want him. If he's the most technically well rounded boxer ON EARTH then why is he getting knocked down by everyone? Talk about contradicting one's self. In my book, P4P fighters don't get knocked down. In my book, P4P fighters are sought after talents that people want to see. In my book, Donaire has been washed up for years now if you haven't noticed.

I like Roman a lot but he's been on national TV once and he can't carry an event by himself yet so he's fight on GGG's coattails. To me that also means something. If you want to talk about rare talents with abilities that are God Given, let's talk about GGG's knockout streak and his dominance over a division that historically has never seen anything like him...EVER.

You Riggo lovers are out of control. The guys had 15 pro fights and has been knocked down in 4 times and you want to put him in the HOF. Pump the breaks dude.

[actjac]

P4P is a fantasy without a criteria or formula to prove it. . .Head to head matches are the only way to prove superiority.

[koolkc107]

1. Chocolatito
1. Ward
3. Kovalev
4. Rigo
5. Mikey Garcia (yeah, I know)
6. Lomachenko
7. Pacquiao
8. Terrence Crawford
9. Walters
10. Santa Cruz

[klitoris]

1. Klitschko
2. Gonzalez
3. Ward
4. GGG
5. Kovalev
6. Rigondeaux
7. Crawford
8. Pacquiao
9. Canelo
10. Garcia

[greenmonkey]

1.Wladimir Klitschko (Dominating for 10 years straight, hasnt been in a close fight for 10 years now)
2.Roman Gonzalez (3 Division World champion, amazing record, none has come close to beating him except Estrada)
3.Sergey Kovalev (Unified world champion, owns 3 of the 4 belts, beat the best names in his divison except Stevenson, Beast power)
4.Gennady Golovkin (14 title defenses, 5 years of dominance, beat seven top10 Middleweight opponents, is on his way to unify)
5.Andre Ward (Hasnt done anything relevant for the past 3 years, a tune up fight against Paul Smith this year, his skills seem to be the same as 2 years ago)
6.Manny Pacquiao (Before loss to Floyd he was #2, Nothing wrong losing to #1 P4P, Still favoring him to beat most of his division opponents)
7.Guillermo Rigondeaux (Amazing talent, lack of quality opponents over the last years hurt his p4p ranking)
8.Terence Crawford (Great 2014 year, 2 division world champion, dominating anyone since capturing his first title)
9.Canelo Alvarez (Fighting the best since winning his first world title, only loss to #1 P4P Floyd, Close win against highly regarded Lara)
10.Juan Estrada (Only loss to #2 P4P Roman Gonzalez, beat unified champion Viloria, has stucked great defenses of his titles since, is still 25 years old)

Wladimir Klitschko???? you must be joking this guy is a clown

[Aaronide_ger]

@jezzamundo @greenmonkey

Only a hater would say that, yes the Heavyweight division is not as strong as it was in the 70's - 80's - 90's but you cant take ANYTHING away from Wladimir, There are divisions that are weaker than the current heavyweight division yet I dont see a single guy DOMINATING 10 years straight except Floyd at Welterweight.

Accept that Klitschko is special and needs all the credit in the world for what he has accomplised, AND ofc the P4P #1 ranking.. Stats dont lie, you have to be special to dominate 10 years straight BARELY losing rounds racking up 19 wins (14 KOs) - 0 Losses in WORLD title fights (After his losses), unifying 3 of the 4 belts and holding the Lineal Heavyweight championship at the same time.. Its not the division but the fighter himself.

Out of all the fighters in everyone's P4P lists there is NONE that has barely lost a round 10 years straight, 39 years old and still dominating, what was the last time a 39 year old was SO DOMINANT? Just ask yourself this question! Lennox Lewis,Muhhamed Ali,Larry Holmes,Joe Lewis NEVER dominated at that advanced age. Accept his dominance and stop mentioning that the division is WEAK. (BTW im not a Klitschko fan I just admire his accomplishments, I hope Tyson Fury comes out victorious in their Clash so we can have a new king in the heavyweight division)

[squiggy]

I agree. The idea of not even wanting to put Wlad in your top 10 is looney. If his accomplishments haven't impressed you that much yet, it's hard to imagine what he could possibly do that would -- particularly relative to the accomplishments of a few of the other fighters being named, which basically amount to "looking good enough to probably win a meaningful big fight later on."