Beating a jabber.

[VG_Addict]

Say you're fighting a guy with a great jab. What do you do to beat him? What are some fights to watch?

[littlepug]

move your head and your body from the waist or if you've got a decent jab yourself try to outjab him to take his away

[littlepug]

chavez was pretty good at dealing with the jab in his prime.

[Counter-puncher]

as a 'jabber' a couple of things that give me problems:

level change with right hand to body/overhand right

overhand right in general

if you're strong enough, you can just decide to eat the jab and walk through it. your average jabber is probably banking on his jab making you stop in your tracks and disrupt your rhythm; if you eat it and walk through it you'll disrupt his rhythm (just don't eat the right hand as well)

head movement, head movement, head movement; variety/no set patterns, on lateral as well as vertical plane

[Seamus]

Never ever neglect the jab because the other guy's is better.

[gaiiiko]

GGG expert counter the jab opponent. If you watch the fight he just counter punch lemiux jab all night .Watch GGG vs LEMIUX.

[Karani]

It's up to many other things. How long is the jabber reach, are diferent way of jabbing, as well is up wath is hiden behind the jab.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Block it with a closed glove held in front of your face like a pad. Lock your elbow, cushion the shot but don't reach for it lest it's turned into a hook. Counter with a jab of your own if you have reach advantage or move sideways and counter with appropriate shot.

[Mr.DW]

Parry it with the rear hand and counter with your own jab. If he's a southpaw then paw at his jab hand with your lead hand and push it down.

[Stevieb8006]

keep his lead arm bent so he cant extend it comfortably. crowd him basically so he cant keep you on the end of it.

[Kalan]

Say you're fighting a guy with a great jab. What do you do to beat him? What are some fights to watch?

A boxer with a great jab will most likely have worked on ALL his other weapons, his footwork, and his defense... A great boxer doesn't work on one weapon in isolation.. Chocolatito, Lomachenko, Russell, Brook, Spence, Golovkin, Ward, Kovalev, and Joshua all have great jabs.. They're going to be tough to beat.. Lomachenko was robbed in his 2nd pro fight, but that was a learning experience for him. You don't go for a pro title fight with 4 pro rounds to your name. He did better with 16 rounds under his belt vs Russel. Lomachenko beat Russell's great jab by superior footwork and fabulous overall skills. That's how you do it other than being a natural attacker. If you could select the right parents and make sure the right egg and sperm unite you could probably beat anybody. Short of fabulous natural talent you just need to work very intelligently and creatively on all your skills with a great coach. Nobody's stopping you from having the best jab.

Tyson beat a rusty Larry Holmes by attacking him hard and staying busy. Duran did the same with Leonard for 15... Maidana made things rough for Mayweather in their first fight by attacking hard, but he wasn't quite in super shape... The wind-milling Harry Greb is the only man to beat Tunney in over 80 fights... Sammy Angott stayed on top of Willie Pep... So obviously attacking hard and consistently is a possible strategy.

Max Schmeling countered Joe Louis's great jab very effectively in their first fight. That is a great fight to study to get the correct timing down - but it's very difficult to counter a very sharp, smooth, rangy, punishing, yet effortless jab, like say Gene Tunney had. Great jabbers will try to draw your counter with feints - and if you habitually duck after you throw it to avoid left hook counters, they'll smash you with a right uppercut.

[IRLangmaid25]

It is largely dependent if the opponent mixes up his jab. (working on Orthodox v Orthodox). When it's to the head you try and block with your right arm, take a half step to the left and throw a left hook to the head or body. Or maybe even roll under the jab with a straight left and throw an over hand right. But it might only work when you have a pressure fighter against the boxer.

[Evander]

Among other things I'd say managing the distance much like a boxer would throw a range finding punch to detect if he can score with it , if he's not close enough to land a good jab it's been quelled right away.

[Kalan]

Among other things I'd say managing the distance much like a boxer would throw a range finding punch to detect if he can score with it , if he's not close enough to land a good jab it's been quelled right away.

You don't need to throw range finders... If you're a good boxer you know when you can land your jab and when you can't so you don't need to waste punches. You don't need to land every punch either, but Golovkin did a masterful job of jabbing vs Lemieux... Hassan N'Dam jabbed the crap out of Curtis Stevens but he couldn't reach Lemieux very well with his jab because he was dancing, moving and feinting too much... Perfect stance.. smooth footwork for positioning.. very subtle, masterful feinting.. great timing.. and smooth, rangy, effortless delivery is what makes a jab.. And the best way to beat a great jab is with a better jab.

[Evander]

Among other things I'd say managing the distance much like a boxer would throw a range finding punch to detect if he can score with it , if he's not close enough to land a good jab it's been quelled right away.

You don't need to throw range finders... If you're a good boxer you know when you can land your jab and when you can't so you don't need to waste punches. You don't need to land every punch either, but Golovkin did a masterful job of jabbing vs Lemieux... Hassan N'Dam jabbed the crap out of Curtis Stevens but he couldn't reach Lemieux very well with his jab because he was dancing, moving and feinting too much... Perfect stance.. smooth footwork for positioning.. very subtle, masterful feinting.. great timing.. and smooth, rangy, effortless delivery is what makes a jab.. And the best way to beat a great jab is with a better jab.

That's a good example.
But there are many ways to beat a good jab, a tight defence and good upper body movement are just another two.
Really depends on who we are talking about .

[Kalan]

There are many ways to beat a good jab, a tight defence and good upper body movement are just another two.
Really depends on who we are talking about

You always want a tight defense and good upper body movement regardless of the punch you're defending.. Specifically for the jab???.. You can't really right counter a great jab well unless the delivery is flawed, and it's like a gift.. You can't really slip inside a slick left jab and counter with a left hook if your opponent's timing, accuracy, and smoothness are superb.. You can't always try to move past the jab and make a brutal close range war out of it, because depending on who you're facing you may be running into a firestorm.. and if you're Duran facing Hearns you're screwed.. You're giving up 6" of height and 12" of reach to a big puncher. That's just a horrible matchup for you. You can't win. Usually nobody ever faces that except at Heavyweight.

So if you want a sure fire method of beating a jab owned by a guy who's not a total physical mismatch for you??? ... Owning a better jab.

[foxdog1923]

There are many ways to beat a good jab, a tight defence and good upper body movement are just another two.
Really depends on who we are talking about

You always want a tight defense and good upper body movement regardless of the punch you're defending.. Specifically for the jab???.. You can't really right counter a great jab well unless the delivery is flawed, and it's like a gift.. You can't really slip inside a slick left jab and counter with a left hook if your opponent's timing, accuracy, and smoothness are superb.. You can't always try to move past the jab and make a brutal close range war out of it, because depending on who you're facing you may be running into a firestorm.. and if you're Duran facing Hearns you're screwed.. You're giving up 6" of height and 12" of reach to a big puncher. That's just a horrible matchup for you. You can't win. Usually nobody ever faces that except at Heavyweight.

So if you want a sure fire method of beating a jab owned by a guy who's not a total physical mismatch for you??? ... Owning a better jab.

Kalan shouldn't be giving out any advice as he's NEVER boxed. Especially with solutions that would have already been thought of by the person asking.

[Kalan]

There are many ways to beat a good jab, a tight defence and good upper body movement are just another two.
Really depends on who we are talking about

You always want a tight defense and good upper body movement regardless of the punch you're defending.. Specifically for the jab???.. You can't really right counter a great jab well unless the delivery is flawed, and it's like a gift.. You can't really slip inside a slick left jab and counter with a left hook if your opponent's timing, accuracy, and smoothness are superb.. You can't always try to move past the jab and make a brutal close range war out of it, because depending on who you're facing you may be running into a firestorm.. and if you're Duran facing Hearns you're screwed.. You're giving up 6" of height and 12" of reach to a big puncher. That's just a horrible matchup for you. You can't win. Usually nobody ever faces that except at Heavyweight.

So if you want a sure fire method of beating a jab owned by a guy who's not a total physical mismatch for you??? ... Owning a better jab.

Kalan shouldn't be giving out any advice as he's NEVER boxed. Especially with solutions that would have already been thought of by the person asking.

You've never boxed you idiot. You have no idea what my background is because I haven't talked about it. There's only one way to beat a fabulous jab and that's with a better jab. Hassan N'Dam has been described as having "a great jab" and easily outjabbed Curtis Stevens -- but couldn't beat David Lemieux with his jab. Golovin jabbed Lemieux to death and won every round by a mile.

[foxdog1923]

You always want a tight defense and good upper body movement regardless of the punch you're defending.. Specifically for the jab???.. You can't really right counter a great jab well unless the delivery is flawed, and it's like a gift.. You can't really slip inside a slick left jab and counter with a left hook if your opponent's timing, accuracy, and smoothness are superb.. You can't always try to move past the jab and make a brutal close range war out of it, because depending on who you're facing you may be running into a firestorm.. and if you're Duran facing Hearns you're screwed.. You're giving up 6" of height and 12" of reach to a big puncher. That's just a horrible matchup for you. You can't win. Usually nobody ever faces that except at Heavyweight.

So if you want a sure fire method of beating a jab owned by a guy who's not a total physical mismatch for you??? ... Owning a better jab.

Kalan shouldn't be giving out any advice as he's NEVER boxed. Especially with solutions that would have already been thought of by the person asking.

You've never boxed you idiot. You have no idea what my background is because I haven't talked about it. There's only one way to beat a fabulous jab and that's with a better jab. Hassan N'Dam has been described as having "a great jab" and easily outjabbed Curtis Stevens -- but couldn't beat David Lemieux with his jab. Golovin jabbed Lemieux to death and won every round by a mile.

You can tell you never boxed. Anyone that thinks boxing is easy and that Wilt could beat Ali is PROOF of no boxing experience (yes people this what Kalan believes) and you are in no position to give advice.

The most revealing thing about your non experience is your stupid advice. Don't you think the person has already thought of that? It's the most simplest solution that a non boxer could come up with and just reinforces your lack of fight knowledge.

[Kalan]

You can't tell sht... Because you are one stupid, ignorant, bastard.

[foxdog1923]

you are one stupid, ignorant, bastard.

YES! and I will always be like that to YOU untill you chill on making big bogus claims and stop putting me down for not siding with you.
I understand your take on Wilt against Ali and fair enough but you trying to brainstorm/hypnotize everyone that its a definite foregone conclusion is crazy. So youre crazy my friend.

[Sids]

Practice stop and block and parry counters with a jab of your own presuming your orthodox and fighting another orthodox fighter.

[Kalan]

Correct... Stuffing the jab with your right palm and countering with a better jab is the best strategy re: 2 orthodox boxers.

[Sids]

Get a rope and ptactice weaving under it.

[Mr.DW]

You can do a million and 1 things. Parry the jab, parry and counter with a right hand, jab with him, counter right hand, keep head off centerline, change levels often, etc.