Joe Louis vrs Johnny Davis(1944)-A Title fight for the Heavyweight Championship of the World?

[Caractacus]

Who here (either a moderator or poster) would seriously consider that a "Heavyweight Tilte" Fight I ask you?

[klompton]

The same people who seriously want to believe that Dempsey defended his title in 1922 against his MW sparring partner Jimmy Darcy wearing big sparring gloves for two minute rounds... Some people need to learn the difference between an actual title fight and an exhibition

[Caractacus]

The same people who seriously want to believe that Dempsey defended his title in 1922 against his MW sparring partner Jimmy Darcy wearing big sparring gloves for two minute rounds... Some people need to learn the difference between an actual title fight and an exhibition

The same people?
Which people?
cuz Boxrec sure dont have Jack Dempsey vrs Jimmy Darcy listed as no Heavyweight title defense in their records here.
(just look under Jack Dempsey).

[HomicideHenry]

In the technical sense.... it was a title match.... however, it was only recognized as such by the NYSAC....

[klompton]

The same people who seriously want to believe that Dempsey defended his title in 1922 against his MW sparring partner Jimmy Darcy wearing big sparring gloves for two minute rounds... Some people need to learn the difference between an actual title fight and an exhibition

The same people?
Which people?
cuz Boxrec sure dont have Jack Dempsey vrs Jimmy Darcy listed as no Heavyweight title defense in their records here.
(just look under Jack Dempsey).

They did but it was changed when it was pointed out how ridiculous it was to call it a title defense.

[Caractacus]

and so was this "bout" wasnt too?
Why dont you use some of your incredible boxrec ,Boxers of the Past threads of the past
and go see for yourself.

[Caractacus]

Did the RKO Studios film this "Title Bout" as well?LOL

[Caractacus]

In the technical sense.... it was a title match.... however, it was only recognized as such by the NYSAC....

All I know is that in Joe Louis's 1978 autobiography MY LIFE,
Its listed as an exhibition in the appendix.

[DaveyMac]

Not a title fight, just an exhibition.

[HomicideHenry]

BY ALL OTHERS STATES AND COUNTRIES IT WAS AN EXHIBITION.... only in the state of NEW YORK was it considered a title match.... when Louis was told the NY version of the title was on the line, he became enraged and brutally blasted out Davis inside of 30 seconds.

[Caractacus]

BY ALL OTHERS STATES AND COUNTRIES IT WAS AN EXHIBITION.... only in the state of NEW YORK was it considered a title match....

Only in the state of New York and on Boxrec of course.

[HomicideHenry]

BY ALL OTHERS STATES AND COUNTRIES IT WAS AN EXHIBITION.... only in the state of NEW YORK was it considered a title match....

Only in the state of New York and on Boxrec of course.

Sort of like when Max Baer fought 24 times in 4 months, plus a few exhibitions.... he "lost" an exhibition bout.... BUT because there was "judges" at ringside who scored that Baer "lost".... its also on BoxRec as being a genuine loss.

[klompton]

and so was this "bout" wasnt too?
Why dont you use some of your incredible boxrec ,Boxers of the Past threads of the past
and go see for yourself.

No, its still here:

http://boxrec.com/boxer/9027

#55

otherwise why make this thread? Sometimes I wonder if you even remember youve posted some of the inane messages youve typed.

[Caractacus]

and so was this "bout" wasnt too?
Why dont you use some of your incredible boxrec ,Boxers of the Past threads of the past
and go see for yourself.

No, its still here:

http://boxrec.com/boxer/9027

#55

otherwise why make this thread? Sometimes I wonder if you even remember youve posted some of the inane messages youve typed.

Thats not a thread dufus,thats a ring record.
Im talking about a specific thread on the topic of this "Title fight"
that was done in the record quieries/research forum about ten years ago(give or take a year) I believe.
BTW I'll save you the time and bump it up for you all there.

[klompton]

Youre reading comprehension skills are as weak as ever...

I posted his record because thats what we are talking about. You questioned me as to why the Dempsey fight was changed and i explained. You said that this bout was changed as well. So posted the record pointing out that you were wrong, it hadnt been changed, otherwise why start THIS THREAD, the thread i was referring to, in the first place. One of the reasons I rarely post here anymore is because of ignorant moronic tin foil hat wearing nincompoops like yourself who post incessantly because they think they are stimulating conversation when they would better served by shutting the fornicate up and trying to learn something instead of spewing verbal diahrea all over the forum that even you cant understand or keep track of. The fact that i have to explain your own posts to you and help you follow along is the perfect example. When someone does tell you something you dont know you dont believe them and instead produce endless pointless baseless supposition as to why that person might be wrong. Its tiresome in extreme and hardly worth the time wasted on you.

[Caractacus]

I'm guessing that there was no official film of this bout.
Does anyone here have any photographs of it that they could scan here?

[Controversial]

Thats not a thread dufus,thats a ring record.
Im talking about a specific thread on the topic of this "Title fight"
that was done in the record quieries/research forum about ten years ago(give or take a year) I believe.

Actually I posted a thread in 2013 about this

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176113

[Caractacus]

...and here is the even earlier thread that I was speaking of concerning the subject too from 2006.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41705

[klompton]

Well that settles it as far as Im concerned. I looked into this bout and several points stand out. 1. The fight was promoted as an exhibition and nearly every newspaper in New York that Ive looked at the day after called it an exhibition. The rub came when commissioner Phelan said that exhibitions in New York were banned (not true, or at least not often enforced). He stated that Louis would have to fight to a decision using regulation gloves. This made some reporters question that if a decision was announced wouldnt this be a title fight? According to Al Buck writing in the November 11, 1944 New York Post Phelan said NO. He declared that title fights are 15 rounds and this would not be a title fight. It was merely to have a decision rendered and be fought with regulation gloves. BUT he demurred on that last point, according to Billy Kelly of the Buffalo Courier-Express in its November 26, 1944 edition, saying "go ahead with the sparring gloves." So this fight was absolutely never a title fight in any way shape or form and wasnt a real fight either. There have been exhibitions to decision before so there is a precedent for that and I see no reason why anyone should question this being taken off of Joe Louis' official record.