Inmediate rematches that never happened

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Chavez vs Taylor 2 but in august 1990. What would had happened? The Taylor , Chavez ko in the rematch in 1994 was not the same coming from being ko by Terry Norris and Crisanto Espana. Norris vs Jackson 2 catch weight 157 pounds. Leonard vs Hearns 2 in 1982 at 154 pounds. Hagler vs Hearns 2 in late 1985 .

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Too many to name...
Rematches are pretty much necessary to clear the air after a first fight (i.e. was Spinks really better than Ali?), to establish the need for a third fight (Ali-Norton), or to even prove a conclusive result wasn't a fluke (Liston-Patterson).

Some biggies -

I wish Ali-Liston II had happened in November 64 as scheduled.
Ali - Foreman
Ali - Frazier in the fall of 71 or spring of 72
Douglas - Tyson (though Holyfield has definitely earned his shot)
Lewis - V. Klitschko
Sanders - W. Klitschko

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Chavez vs Taylor 2 but in august 1990. What would had happened? The Taylor , Chavez ko in the rematch in 1994 was not the same coming from being ko by Terry Norris and Crisanto Espana. Norris vs Jackson 2 catch weight 157 pounds. Leonard vs Hearns 2 in 1982 at 154 pounds. Hagler vs Hearns 2 in late 1985 .

A Leonard vs Hearns immediate rematch at 154lbs would have not been a fair fight for Leonard. It would've been a massacre. Leonard does not belongs in the ring with Hearns at 154lbs...No way!

Why Norris vs Jackson II got to be a catchweight fight? Jackson knocked him out at his own weight class. Norris gotta come up!

Hagler vs Hearns II would be the same outcome in my opinion. Hagler took The Hitman's best shots...End of story.

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Chavez vs Taylor 2 but in august 1990. What would had happened? The Taylor , Chavez ko in the rematch in 1994 was not the same coming from being ko by Terry Norris and Crisanto Espana. Norris vs Jackson 2 catch weight 157 pounds. Leonard vs Hearns 2 in 1982 at 154 pounds. Hagler vs Hearns 2 in late 1985 .

A Leonard vs Hearns immediate rematch at 154lbs would have not been a fair fight for Leonard. It would've been a massacre. Leonard does not belongs in the ring with Hearns at 154lbs...No way!

Why Norris vs Jackson II got to be a catchweight fight? Jackson knocked him out at his own weight class. Norris gotta come up!

Hagler vs Hearns II would be the same outcome in my opinion. Hagler took The Hitman's best shots...End of story.

Hearns never massacres a still living Leonard at any weight.

Leonard was not a bum; he was one of the greatest fighters ever & tough as they come.

I could envisage Hearns getting a points win, but he would never have decimated Leonard.

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Chavez vs Taylor 2 but in august 1990. What would had happened? The Taylor , Chavez ko in the rematch in 1994 was not the same coming from being ko by Terry Norris and Crisanto Espana. Norris vs Jackson 2 catch weight 157 pounds. Leonard vs Hearns 2 in 1982 at 154 pounds. Hagler vs Hearns 2 in late 1985 .

A Leonard vs Hearns immediate rematch at 154lbs would have not been a fair fight for Leonard. It would've been a massacre. Leonard does not belongs in the ring with Hearns at 154lbs...No way!

Why Norris vs Jackson II got to be a catchweight fight? Jackson knocked him out at his own weight class. Norris gotta come up!

Hagler vs Hearns II would be the same outcome in my opinion. Hagler took The Hitman's best shots...End of story.

Hearns never massacres a still living Leonard at any weight.

Leonard was not a bum; he was one of the greatest fighters ever & tough as they come.

I could envisage Hearns getting a points win, but he would never have decimated Leonard.

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Chavez vs Taylor 2 but in august 1990. What would had happened? The Taylor , Chavez ko in the rematch in 1994 was not the same coming from being ko by Terry Norris and Crisanto Espana. Norris vs Jackson 2 catch weight 157 pounds. Leonard vs Hearns 2 in 1982 at 154 pounds. Hagler vs Hearns 2 in late 1985 .

Chavez -v- Taylor 2 is a good shout: that was a fight that ended controversially & should have resulted in an immediate rematch.

Leonard -v- Hearns 2 is also a good one as their first fight was epic & I think Hearns deserved the chance to set the record straight, but Tommy himself hot footed it to 154, so he obviously had other ideas.

I'm not so sold on Hagler -v- Hearns 2 - Marvin obliterated Tommy, even though Tommy threw the kitchen sink & the patio decking at him, so I believe an immediate rematch wouldn't have been needed & that Hearns would have had to prove himself worthy of a rematch, especially as he was a light middleweight moving up & there were other guys who deserved a tilt at Hagler.

[palooka]

Hearns wouldn't have had his legs massaged before a second Hagler bout, it would have made all the difference

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Hearns wouldn't have had his legs massaged before a second Hagler bout, it would have made all the difference

Oh yes, you're quite right!

You could just imagine Manny Steward standing guard around Tommy before the rematch to make sure that none of the team massaged Tommy's legs again. :P

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Chavez vs Taylor 2 but in august 1990. What would had happened? The Taylor , Chavez ko in the rematch in 1994 was not the same coming from being ko by Terry Norris and Crisanto Espana. Norris vs Jackson 2 catch weight 157 pounds. Leonard vs Hearns 2 in 1982 at 154 pounds. Hagler vs Hearns 2 in late 1985 .

A Leonard vs Hearns immediate rematch at 154lbs would have not been a fair fight for Leonard. It would've been a massacre. Leonard does not belongs in the ring with Hearns at 154lbs...No way!

Why Norris vs Jackson II got to be a catchweight fight? Jackson knocked him out at his own weight class. Norris gotta come up!

Hagler vs Hearns II would be the same outcome in my opinion. Hagler took The Hitman's best shots...End of story.

Hearns never massacres a still living Leonard at any weight.

Leonard was not a bum; he was one of the greatest fighters ever & tough as they come.

I could envisage Hearns getting a points win, but he would never have decimated Leonard.

OK, then, think that Leonard would do a job on Hearns at 154lbs. Hearns at 154lbs was a TOTAL MONSTER. Leonard most of the time did not looked good above 147lbs. This fight at 154lbs is NOT A FAIR FIGHT.

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Leonard-Hagler wasn't fair at 160. Look what happened.

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Leonard-Hagler wasn't fair at 160. Look what happened.

That was a FADING Marvelous. It was not the great hungry fighter of 1982. A 1982 fight would've not been a fair fight for Sugar Ray. Marvelous would've knocked him out.

To tell you the truth, the great Sugar Ray Leonard at 154lbs and beyond DOES NOT BELONG IN THE RING WITH THESE GUYS:
Thomas Hearns
Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Marvelous

[BoxBuzz]

Chavez Whitaker I would have loved to see another "draw" where Chavez is further embarrassed.

[palooka]

Leonard-Hagler wasn't fair at 160. Look what happened.

That was a FADING Marvelous. It was not the great hungry fighter of 1982. A 1982 fight would've not been a fair fight for Sugar Ray. Marvelous would've knocked him out.

To tell you the truth, the great Sugar Ray Leonard at 154lbs and beyond DOES NOT BELONG IN THE RING WITH THESE GUYS:
Thomas Hearns
Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Marvelous

Though Leonard boxed both Hearns and Hagler and went the distance with both, he even had Tommy all over the place late on. I thought Hagler and Hearns 2 won - Jackson was an incredible hitter but that was it, he wasn't a master boxer - McCallum was a great boxfighter and Leonard's would have had his hands full for sure but there's no doubt that there'd have been 2 in the fight - say what you want about Leonard but he was a super competitive fighterand he'd have brought his A game and come to win.

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Leonard-Hagler wasn't fair at 160. Look what happened.

That was a FADING Marvelous. It was not the great hungry fighter of 1982. A 1982 fight would've not been a fair fight for Sugar Ray. Marvelous would've knocked him out.

To tell you the truth, the great Sugar Ray Leonard at 154lbs and beyond DOES NOT BELONG IN THE RING WITH THESE GUYS:
Thomas Hearns
Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Marvelous

Oh please. Hagler wasn't hungry? He wanted to win that fight more than any other in his career. Hagler had huge advantages. Leonard had one fight in his previous five years. Leonard never weighed that much in a fight before. Which is why the fight was supposed to be a slaughter.

Leonard beat the crap out of Hearns at 147. At a 164 limit it was a draw. But at 154 it's hopeless for Leonard? More elmer logic.

[Ambling Alp II]

Here are few more that would have been interesting:

Corbett-Fitzsimmons II
Schmeling-Sharkey III
LaMotta-Cerdan II
Nunn-Toney II

[palooka]

Tua v Ruiz 2, when Ruiz was champ

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Leonard-Hagler wasn't fair at 160. Look what happened.

That was a FADING Marvelous. It was not the great hungry fighter of 1982. A 1982 fight would've not been a fair fight for Sugar Ray. Marvelous would've knocked him out.

To tell you the truth, the great Sugar Ray Leonard at 154lbs and beyond DOES NOT BELONG IN THE RING WITH THESE GUYS:
Thomas Hearns
Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Marvelous

Oh please. Hagler wasn't hungry? He wanted to win that fight more than any other in his career. Hagler had huge advantages. Leonard had one fight in his previous five years. Leonard never weighed that much in a fight before. Which is why the fight was supposed to be a slaughter.

Leonard beat the crap out of Hearns at 147. At a 164 limit it was a draw. But at 154 it's hopeless for Leonard? More elmer logic.

Sugar Ray struggled with Ayub Kalule, which is not the quality of Hearns, Hagler, McCallum nor Jackson.

At 154lbs, The Hitman had sturdier legs and looked terrific there. I just can't picture a Leonard victory over Hearns above 147lbs. At 147lbs, Leonard was king. Above that, mmmm. Too much to be desired.
Now imagine the Hearns that decapitated the great Roberto Duran, almost killed Fred Hutchins and gave Marvelous a big gash in the forehead against the Leonard that fought Kalule and Kevin Howard? It would be a TOTAL MASSACRE!

Leonard knew he wasn't gonna beat Marvelous in '82. That's why he retired. Marvelous in '82 was in desperate need to command the big paydays. Only Leonard could've give him that kind of money he wanted.

Hagler vs Leonard: Hagler in 5 or 6.
Hearns vs Leonard: Hearns in 2 or a comfortable unanimous decision.

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Leonard-Hagler wasn't fair at 160. Look what happened.

That was a FADING Marvelous. It was not the great hungry fighter of 1982. A 1982 fight would've not been a fair fight for Sugar Ray. Marvelous would've knocked him out.

To tell you the truth, the great Sugar Ray Leonard at 154lbs and beyond DOES NOT BELONG IN THE RING WITH THESE GUYS:
Thomas Hearns
Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Marvelous

Though Leonard boxed both Hearns and Hagler and went the distance with both, he even had Tommy all over the place late on. I thought Hagler and Hearns 2 won - Jackson was an incredible hitter but that was it, he wasn't a master boxer - McCallum was a great boxfighter and Leonard's would have had his hands full for sure but there's no doubt that there'd have been 2 in the fight - say what you want about Leonard but he was a super competitive fighterand he'd have brought his A game and come to win.

They would have been too strong and too big for Leonard to handle them. Picture Sugar Ray that fought Ayub Kalule and Kevin Howard vs The Hitman that decapitated the great Roberto Duran and destroyed Fred Hutchins' life? Hearns not only would've knocked him out, he would've EMBARRASSED HIM. He is fighting a stronger, much faster and formidable opponent who looked comfortable at 154. That was his class, not Leonard's. Leonard ONLY LOOKED GREAT ONCE above 147lbs, and that was against a FADING MARVELOUS. Other great performances above 147? There is none!

Julian "The Hawk" Jackson wasn't just an incredible hitter, HE WAS A DEVASTATING PUNCHER! OMG! Can't you see? He would've been TOO DETRIMENTAL for Leonard's health. One shot by Jackson, BOOM! fight is over. That guy hit too hard. Too damn hard. Watch his KOs.

The great Mike McCallum was an incredible and complete fighter. One of the most complete boxers that I have ever seen in my lifetime. I can't see Leonard outbox him, because The Body Snatcher can box. Oh, and he can bang! He would be much stronger than Sugar Ray at 154 and beyond. McCallum beats him in any fashion.

The Marvelous of 1982 was a different monster than of 1987. Called it that Leonard had not had a fight in 5 years, or whatever. Hagler was FADING and Leonard knew it. He didn't took the 1982 fight because he knew Marvelous was too much. Marvelous was a complete fighter.

At 147lbs, Sugar Ray was special. Especially, the 1978-82 years. But above welterweight? Those 4 would've make him look for his retina all over the ring.

If he would've beaten those 4 at their weight and prime, then, we right now would've put Leonard as the greatest fighter of all-time. I would. How can you not to?

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Total BS.
Leonard did not quit in in 1982 because "he knew that he could not beat Hagler". That is nonsense. That fight was even being seriously talked about at that point.
You know damn well if it was not for Leonard's eye injury he never would have retired in 1982.

You really think Leonard was thing in 1982, that he was basically stay out of boxing for the next 5 years, waiting for Hagler to reach the grand old age of 32? If you were a trainer, would you seriously recommend that? How stupid can you be elmer?

He beat Hagler fair and square. If he had not had that layoff, he beats him a lot easier.
You can keep saying Leonard struggled so much with Ayub Kalue; that is not what happened.
Leonard was in control and stopped him. Kalue wasn't great but he was good.
The only other fight before his eye injury that Leonard had where both he and his opponent were Jr middleweights was against Tony Chiavarini; a ranked contender. Leonard easily stopped him in four rounds.

Yes Hearns crushed Duran and knocked out the great Fred Hutchings. Doesn't make him invincible.

Hearns was unable to destroy Benitez at 154; it went the distance and was a competitive fight.
The legendary Mark Medal lasted until the 8th round against Hearns at 154.
Luigi Minchillo went the entire 12 rounds against Hearns without even getting knocked down.

Medal and Minchillo were not as good as Kalue.

So no, Hearns was not destroying everybody at 154.

You can't stand Leonard; we all get that. Not necessary to to rip him in every thread in which his his name comes up.

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I get that Julian Jackson was a suburb puncher but that didn't mean he couldn't be beaten.

Mike McCallum was a great fighter and champion but a fighter like Leonard would certainly be in with a about.

It's like there's no point in Leonard turning up and that's not the case.

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Total BS.
Leonard did not quit in in 1982 because "he knew that he could not beat Hagler". That is nonsense. That fight was even being seriously talked about at that point.
You know damn well if it was not for Leonard's eye injury he never would have retired in 1982.

You really think Leonard was thing in 1982, that he was basically stay out of boxing for the next 5 years, waiting for Hagler to reach the grand old age of 32? If you were a trainer, would you seriously recommend that? How stupid can you be elmer?

He beat Hagler fair and square. If he had not had that layoff, he beats him a lot easier.
You can keep saying Leonard struggled so much with Ayub Kalue; that is not what happened.
Leonard was in control and stopped him. Kalue wasn't great but he was good.
The only other fight before his eye injury that Leonard had where both he and his opponent were Jr middleweights was against Tony Chiavarini; a ranked contender. Leonard easily stopped him in four rounds.

Yes Hearns crushed Duran and knocked out the great Fred Hutchings. Doesn't make him invincible.

Hearns was unable to destroy Benitez at 154; it went the distance and was a competitive fight.
The legendary Mark Medal lasted until the 8th round against Hearns at 154.
Luigi Minchillo went the entire 12 rounds against Hearns without even getting knocked down.

Medal and Minchillo were not as good as Kalue.

So no, Hearns was not destroying everybody at 154.

You can't stand Leonard; we all get that. Not necessary to to rip him in every thread in which his his name comes up.

The great Sugar Ray Leonard KNEW that he didn't have first, the strength and power to dominate Marvelous of 1982. Plus, Leonard had to go up 13 pounds? Would he have the same speed and power that he had at 147? I think not. Marvelous would've had AN IMPRESSIVE VICTORY and a great payday in 1982. He was hungrier then, and looking for THE BIG MONEY AND RECOGNITION. Something that ONLY, ONLY Sugar Ray could've give him. Hearns and Duran never gave him that kind of money. Only Leonard did. A fight between the undisputed middleweight king vs the undisputed welter king, would've been a dream match for Hagler and a nightmare for Leonard. It's the case of the bigger great fighter beating the smaller great champ. That happens 90% or 95% of the time. It's a rule in boxing.

The 1987 fight was a shell of what they were five years earlier. Hagler was a fading champion. Leonard saw it at the. John Mugabi fight.
Besides the win against the fading Marvelous, Leonard other fights above 147 WERE MEDIOCRE AT BEST.

Do you think that a guy like that, that STRUGGLED against Ayub Kalule, would beat a destructive machine like the great Thomas Hearns at 154lbs? Where Hearns HAD ALL THE ADVANTAGES AT 154lbs over Leonard? This is not 147. It's 154. Hearns' class. Not Leonard's. Hearns would have advantages in speed, power, height and reach at 154lbs. Hearns here looks that he's ALL WRONG FOR SUGAR RAY. He beat the great Wilfred Benitez MUCH EASIER At 154lbs, than Sugar Ray did at 147. Ain't that the truth? Hearns broke his hand vs Benitez and still dominated him.
Hearns also broke his hand in the Mark Medal fight. He dominated Luigi Minchillo by a mile. A comfortable win for The Hitman.

Leonard vs Hearns at 154lbs, would not be a FAIR FIGHT for Sugar Ray. It would be a NIGHTMARE for him.

Leonard at 147? Extraordinary. Superb. Fantastic. Awesome. One of the most complete fighters that I have ever seen in my lifetime. As a matter of fact, I rate him more complete than the great Sugar Ray Robinson.

But above 147? MEDIOCRE MOST OF THE TIME. Sugar Ray Robinson eats him alive at 160. Hearns would massacre him at 154 or beyond. Hagler of 1982 knocks him out. Gene Fullmer? Too strong for him. Julian Jackson? Boom! Fight is over! The great Mike McCallum? Too strong.

Just look at his tapes above 147...Not that good, Ambling Alp.

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I get that Julian Jackson was a suburb puncher but that didn't mean he couldn't be beaten.

Mike McCallum was a great fighter and champion but a fighter like Leonard would certainly be in with a about.

It's like there's no point in Leonard turning up and that's not the case.

I am glad the great Sugar Ray Leonard didn't fight those guys, palooka. I don't think he would've had the same speed and power he had at 147. He was never recognized as a great puncher to begin with. Plus, Sugar Ray would've to come up to their weight class. The great Mike McCallum just like Leonard, was a COMPLETE FIGHTER. He was just as good as the Fab 4 of Sugar Ray, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. He didn't had the TIMING NOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW HIS SKILLS AGAINST THEM. He came a little late into the scene. It's. a little bit like the great Larry Holmes vs the likes of Ali, Foreman, Frazier and Norton. He came kind of late. But, at least he fought Norton. McCallum? Well, we all know he didn't had the opportunity.

Of the four, Hearns, Jackson, Hagler of 1982, and McCallum, Jackson seems the best chance for Leonard to beat in my opinion, but, damn, THAT GUY CAN HIT! He was not just any puncher. He was a DEVASTATING PUNCHER! He hit too hard. I cannot see Leonard, Benitez, Duran nor Donald Curry beating him to tell you the truth. They are coming up in weight to fight this monster. It took a special fighter like McCallum to beat him.

I would like to see a Hearns vs Jackson match at 154 or 160. A dream match of two of the most devastating punchers in the last 35 years. Someone gotta go down. That fight in no way ends by unanimous decision. No way!

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Your gald that these guys didn't Leonard becasue Leonard would have beaten them and you can't stand Leonard.

As for your some your other nonsense:
Hearns would have a speed advantage over Leonard at 154? What fanrasy world are living in?

Yes, Hearns would have and advantage in power, height, and reach. He had those same advantages at 147 and Leonard beat the crap out of him. Leonard would always have a huge advantage in chin.

Hearns beat Benitez easier than Leonard beat Benitez did? Again no. Leonard beat Benitez more convincingly than Hearns did.

I will take the Leonard who stopped Chiaverini in four ver the Hearns who could not knockdown the legendary Luigi Michillo in 12 rounds.
I will take the Leonard who stopped Kalue in four over the Hearns who had to take 8 rounds to beat Mark Medal.
Marvin Hagler was as hungry as he ever was against Leonard. He was a little more motivated against Leonard than he was against people like Caveman Lee and Tony Sibson and Wilfred Scypion.
Leonard did not quit in 1982 because of Marvin Hagler. He would have moved up to 154, and eventually to 160. He would have been able to gradually move up in weight and not be rusty when he fought Hagler. He would have beaten him even easier.

Deal with reality, and stop making up BS.

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Your gald that these guys didn't Leonard becasue Leonard would have beaten them and you can't stand Leonard.

As for your some your other nonsense:
Hearns would have a speed advantage over Leonard at 154? What fanrasy world are living in?

Yes, Hearns would have and advantage in power, height, and reach. He had those same advantages at 147 and Leonard beat the crap out of him. Leonard would always have a huge advantage in chin.

Hearns beat Benitez easier than Leonard beat Benitez did? Again no. Leonard beat Benitez more convincingly than Hearns did.

I will take the Leonard who stopped Chiaverini in four ver the Hearns who could not knockdown the legendary Luigi Michillo in 12 rounds.
I will take the Leonard who stopped Kalue in four over the Hearns who had to take 8 rounds to beat Mark Medal.
Marvin Hagler was as hungry as he ever was against Leonard. He was a little more motivated against Leonard than he was against people like Caveman Lee and Tony Sibson and Wilfred Scypion.
Leonard did not quit in 1982 because of Marvin Hagler. He would have moved up to 154, and eventually to 160. He would have been able to gradually move up in weight and not be rusty when he fought Hagler. He would have beaten him even easier.

Deal with reality, and stop making up BS.

THIS IS A DELUSIONAL POST, FOLKS! END OF STORY.

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Your gald that these guys didn't Leonard becasue Leonard would have beaten them and you can't stand Leonard.

As for your some your other nonsense:
Hearns would have a speed advantage over Leonard at 154? What fanrasy world are living in?

Yes, Hearns would have and advantage in power, height, and reach. He had those same advantages at 147 and Leonard beat the crap out of him. Leonard would always have a huge advantage in chin.

Hearns beat Benitez easier than Leonard beat Benitez did? Again no. Leonard beat Benitez more convincingly than Hearns did.

I will take the Leonard who stopped Chiaverini in four ver the Hearns who could not knockdown the legendary Luigi Michillo in 12 rounds.
I will take the Leonard who stopped Kalue in four over the Hearns who had to take 8 rounds to beat Mark Medal.
Marvin Hagler was as hungry as he ever was against Leonard. He was a little more motivated against Leonard than he was against people like Caveman Lee and Tony Sibson and Wilfred Scypion.
Leonard did not quit in 1982 because of Marvin Hagler. He would have moved up to 154, and eventually to 160. He would have been able to gradually move up in weight and not be rusty when he fought Hagler. He would have beaten him even easier.

Deal with reality, and stop making up BS.

Leonard above 147lbs was MOSTLY MEDIOCRE, Ambling Alp. Not much to be desired.

The FACTS are:
The great Hitman beat the great Wilfred Benitez EASIER than Leonard. And that happened at 154lbs. Benitez wins the last round in my scorecard against Sugar Ray, and it would've been a draw. Benitez would've kept his title. Hearns DOMINATED Benitez with the jab. He outboxed the boxer. He would've stopped Benitez if he would've not break his hand. And still, HE WON COMFORTABLY.

Hearns would've been ALL WRONG for Leonard at 154lbs and beyond. Not because Hearns was a better fighter, but, because THE WEIGHT favors The Hitman. He looked too awesome to be ignored at 154lbs. It was the PERFECT WEIGHT CLASS for him. While Sugar Ray at 154lbs? Very mediocre. He STRUGGLED with level C fighters. Now imagine a fight with Hearns? This is not 147. It's 154lbs, Ambling Alp. Hearns would've get his revenge in a spectacular fashion, embarrassing Leonard with a freighting KO.

Marvelous of 1982 would've eaten Sugar Ray like Pacman. I cannot see how Leonard would've have won this fight. He was stronger, hit harder and Leonard would've had to come up 13 pounds. That's too much to ask. Hagler would've sent him back to the welterweights with a sensational knockout. That Leonard win in 1987, both were out of prime. Marvelous was FADING. That's why he took the fight.

Leonard at 147? Exceptional. Above that? MOSTLY MEDIOCRE.