Updating the BOXREC Forum Heavyweight Rankings CLOSED

[jezzamundo]

This has been neglected for while so there are a lot of fights to vote on. Please let me know if I've missed any.

BWH Rankings as of 24 July 2015:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3= Deontay Wilder
3= Kubrat Pulev
5. Bryant Jennings
6. Carlos Takam
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Tony Thompson
10. Ruslan Chagaev
11. Artur Szpilka
12. Dereck Chisora
13. Steve Cunningham
14. Erkan Teper
15. Anthony Joshua

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Dereck Chisora's KO1 win over Beqa Lobjanidze and UD10 win over Marcelo Luis Nascimento?

My vote: Chisora to #11, Lobjanidze and Nascimento remain unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Artur Szpilka's RTD2 win over with Yasmany Consuegra?

My vote: Szpilka to #10, Consugera remains unranked.

Topic C - How are the rankings affected by Steve Cunningham's Draw12 with Antonio Tarver?
* note: Tarver failed a drug test taken prior to this fight

My vote: Cunningham remains at #13, Tarver remains unranked.

Topic D - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's KO4 win over Kertson Manswell?

My vote: Glazkov remains at #7, Manswell remains unranked.

Topic E - How are the rankings affected by Kubrat Pulev's UD8 win over George Arias?

My vote: Pulev to #4, Arias remains unranked.

Topic F - How are the rankings affected by Deontay Wilder's TKO11 win over Johann Duhaupas?

My vote: Wilder to #3 clear, Duhaupas remains unranked.

Topic G - How are the rankings affected by Anthony Joshua's TKO1 win over Gary Cornish?

My vote: Joshua remains at #15, Cornish remains unranked.

Topic H - How are the rankings affected by Malik Scott's UD10 win over Tony Thompson?

My vote: Scott to #12, Thompson OUT.


Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Chisora, Lobjanidze, Szpilka, Consugera, Cunningham, Tarver, Glazkov, Manswell Pulev, Arias, Wilder, Duhaupas, Joshua, Cornish, Scott and Thompson. Posting your own top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner than I have done above.

[cold187]

Not sure if guys should rise after beating unranked opponents

[jezzamundo]

Not sure if guys should rise after beating unranked opponents

They definitely should. Fights between ranked guys are (unfortunately) rare, so not rewarding fighters for staying active and convincingly beating their opponents, however limited, causes stagnation in the rankings. This was a problem in the past and it rewards fighters for being inactive - people like to demote fighters for losing or putting in poor performances, but are hesitant to reward them for good ones. Also, many of my changes were simply fighters moving up one spot because someone ahead of them was demoted.

[cold187]

very fair answer

2nd query - seems OTT that Thompson goes from 9 to out!!! based on a loss vs a guy who is very talented when not taking a dive
if povetkin or pulev lost to scott, they wouldn't be thrown out of rankings

either way

I vote Cunningham out as he's moving back to cruiserweight and put Thompson n his place. and scott to 11

[Coachmanager]

A No changes.
B No changes.
C No changes.
D No changes.
E Pulev to 5.
F Wilder to 4.
G Joshua remains 15 but go to 14 because Thompson is out.
F Thompson out , Scott remains out, I prefer we vote specially by the vacant.

[Coachmanager]

very fair answer

2nd query - seems OTT that Thompson goes from 9 to out!!! based on a loss vs a guy who is very talented when not taking a dive
if povetkin or pulev lost to scott, they wouldn't be thrown out of rankings

either way

I vote Cunningham out as he's moving back to cruiserweight and put Thompson n his place. and scott to 11

Thompson is shot, he showed it against Takam and he showed it against yesterday, he is not a top 15 heavyweight any more. Beating to a fat Solis is not enough to keep you in the top 15.

[Heretic]

A: Chisora to 11.

Chisora is nothing special. Those wins were nothing special either. I do believe that inactivity should be punished so I am ready to raise the guys on lower ranks on activity alone. As long as they win of course. I do think that Chisora is is good gatekeeper for the top 10. Hes not an easy win for anyone.

B: Szpilka out.

Getting gift win against unproven fighter because he gets injured should not get you no where near top 10. He has exactly 0 wins of the caliber needed to get in these rankings. Beating narrowly the corpse of Adamek does not count either. If you have any doubts about the level of Szpilka go watch both of the Mollo fights.

C: Cunningham to 11.

I do believe that Cunningham belongs on this list. Hes a good boxer. Another gatekeeper for top 10. I think we should not remove him from the list until he fights at cruiser.

D: Glazkov remains at 7.

I would love to give some activity points on Glazkov here. Too bad that Manswell is not good enough to count. Takam vs Glazkov would be sweet fight and pretty much the only way to know which one is better.

E: Pulev to 3.

Arias is not much of a win. Pulev still has much better names on hes win list than Wilder. The belt that Wilder has means shit. Nowadays it is the champ that makes the belt and not other way around.

F: Wilder to 4.

Duhaupas is decent boxer. But no way near great. He has great chin and some ability. Too bad he does not have power. If he had he could be something. Now he is just another hand picked opponent for Wilder to feast on. Wilder still has just one top 15 caliber opponent on his list.

G: Joshua remains at 15.

I am not sure that Joshua belongs in top 15 just yet. He has the ability but lacks the wins to prove it. Anyone remember that Price fellow? Anyways beating Cornish has zero value when talking about top 15 boxers. He has nice looking list but when you dig it just a little bit you will see that there is not much substance there.

H: Scott stays out. Thompson to 10.

I think Scott was bit bad match up for Thompson. Too fast and tall. Scott is still fragile and Thompson is tough nut to crack. I think that Thompson has much better changes to win against other top 15 fighters than Scott.

[Horse]

Dereck Chisora - Stays at No. 12
Artur Szpilka - Down to No. 13
Steve Cunningham - Up to No. 8
Antonio Tarver - Stays out
Vyacheslav Glazkov - Down to No. 9

Kubrat Pulev - Down to No. 4
Deontay Wilder - Up to No. 3 (clear)
Anthony Joshua - Drops out
Malik Scott - Enters at No. 7
Tony Thompson - Down to No. 11

The rest - Stay out

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

Szpilka out
Joshua to 12
Scott to 13
Thompson to 15

No changes for the rest.

[Freedom2013]

Topic A - Chisora to #13, Lobjanidze and Nascimento remain unranked.

Topic B - Szpilka to #10, Consugera remains unranked.

Topic C - Cunningham out, Tarver remains unranked.

Topic D - Glazkov remains at #7, Manswell remains unranked.

Topic E - Pulev to #3, Arias remains unranked.

Topic F - Wilder to #6 (poor opposition recently and overall), Duhaupas remains unranked.


Thompson out of the top 15, Joseph Parker and Anthony Joshua enter

[Horse]

Topic E - Pulev to #3, Arias remains unranked.

Topic F - Wilder to #6 (poor opposition recently and overall), Duhaupas remains unranked.

Fights in the last three years:

Pulev - Thompson, Abell, Perkovic, Klitschko (lost) & Arias
Wilder - Price, Greer, Harrison, Liakhovich, Firtha, Scott, Gavern, Stiverne, Molina & Duhaupas

Wilder's record is much better than Pulev's over the last few years. Pulev's only good win in the last three years is Thompson and that was over two years ago.

[Tarkus]

Good job jezza, I thought you stopped making this wonderful thing.

Topic A - Chisora to #15, Lobjanidze and Nascimento remain unranked.
Topic B - Szpilka to #10, Consugera remains unranked.
Topic C - Cunningham to #14, Tarver remains unranked.
Topic D - Glazkov to #6, Manswell remains unranked.
Topic E - Pulev to #4, Arias remains unranked.
Topic F - Wilder to #5 clear, Duhaupas remains unranked. (Jennings moving up to #3)
Topic G - Joshua out, Cornish remains unranked.
Topic H - Scott to #9, Thompson 12.

Result:
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3. Bryant Jennings
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Deontay Wilder
6. Vyacheslav Glazkov
7. Carlos Takam
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Malik Scott
10. Artur Szpilka
11. Ruslan Chagaev
12. Tony Thompson
13. Erkan Teper
14. Steve Cunningham
15. Dereck Chisora


Parker KOing Meehan deserves to be included in the voting I think. Its a better win then the half of those in the list.

Ortiz win could be voted as well.

[tiny_acres]

Topic E - Pulev to #3, Arias remains unranked.

Topic F - Wilder to #6 (poor opposition recently and overall), Duhaupas remains unranked.

Fights in the last three years:

Pulev - Thompson, Abell, Perkovic, Klitschko (lost) & Arias
Wilder - Price, Greer, Harrison, Liakhovich, Firtha, Scott, Gavern, Stiverne, Molina & Duhaupas

Wilder's record is much better than Pulev's over the last few years. Pulev's only good win in the last three years is Thompson and that was over two years ago.

100% agree with this.Why reward Pulev whose last fight was an 8 rounder?And his last top 20 opponent
was over 2 years ago.
But you are debating this with the king of double standards

[jezzamundo]

Bump, more votes please!

[Horse]

100% agree with this.Why reward Pulev whose last fight was an 8 rounder?And his last top 20 opponent
was over 2 years ago.
But you are debating this with the king of double standards

Are you going to vote?

[Heretic]

I think the number of topics might be bit overwhelming to some

It is true that Pulevs latest wins are not that great. On the other hand Wilder has no great wins at all.

[tiny_acres]

Topic A - Chisora unchanged, Lobjanidze and Nascimento remain unranked.
Topic B - Szpilka unchanged, Consugera remains unranked.
Topic C - Cunningham to #15, Tarver remains unranked.
Topic D - Glazkov unchanged, Manswell remains unranked.
Topic E - Pulev to clear #4, Arias remains unranked.
Topic F - Wilder to clear #3, Duhaupas remains unranked.
Topic G - Joshua unchanged, Cornish remains unranked.
Topic H - Scott to #13, Thompson out.

[tiny_acres]

I think the number of topics might be bit overwhelming to some

It is true that Pulevs latest wins are not that great. On the other hand Wilder has no great wins at all.

And yes it was slightly overwhelming..A ton of fights and not many meant too much in the grand scheme
of things.

[Horse]

It is true that Pulevs latest wins are not that great. On the other hand Wilder has no great wins at all.

Nor does Pulev.

[Heretic]

Well maybe great is not the right word for it. Should have said good instead :geek2:

Ustinov and Dimitrenko are both good wins. Beating Thompson was at that time a very good win. Thompson was near the top then.

Heck even Walker is better win than 32 names on Wilders list.

[Freedom2013]

Well maybe great is not the right word for it. Should have said good instead :geek2:

Ustinov and Dimitrenko are both good wins. Beating Thompson was at that time a very good win. Thompson was near the top then.

Heck even Walker is better win than 32 names on Wilders list.

You are correct.

Even Wilder's Stiverne win is overrated - he's only beaten a shot Arreola and age 42 Ray Austin (who was dominating him up until the KO round), and was stopped by a clubfighter with a losing record.

[Horse]

Well maybe great is not the right word for it. Should have said good instead :geek2:

Ustinov and Dimitrenko are both good wins. Beating Thompson was at that time a very good win. Thompson was near the top then.

Heck even Walker is better win than 32 names on Wilders list.

Duhaupas, Scott & Stiverne are at a similar level to Dimitrenko, Ustinov & Thompson. Pulev's best wins are not clearly better and are arguably not as good as Wilder's.

The main difference is that Wilder has beaten his best opponents recently, whereas Pulev beat his best opponents over 2 years ago.

[jezzamundo]

I think Pulev has a stronger resume than Wilder to date, but based on the last couple of years, Wilder should be ahead.

[tiny_acres]

I think Pulev has a stronger resume than Wilder to date, but based on the last couple of years, Wilder should be ahead.

It makes sense.

[dagilechia]

Chisora 15, Szpilka 11, Cunningham 14, Glazkov 7, Pulev 4, Wilder 3, Joshua 12, Scott unranked, Thompson out
Parker in