we made a significant offer for Billy Joe Saunders to fight GGG in the US. As of now we have had no response yet
we have been in communication with Gennady Golovkin’s people, who have approached us with a firm offer of a unification fight with Triple G.
I know Billy Joe has intimated he may not be quite ready for this but money talks louder than anything in boxing and such are the sums involved it is one certainly worth considering.
Of course it is not 4 mil GBP Saunders wanted, but it is clearly enough to not be rejected right away.
it'd be interesting to see how Gennady deals with BJS speed and angles but it seems safe to think GGG stops him, assuming BJS gets the right offer and takes it
allegedly knows he can't beat GGG, Saunders knows he can't beat GGG, this is just hot air, I'd say the chances of this fight happening in 2016 is about 0%
SFW wrote:it'd be interesting to see how Gennady deals with BJS speed and angles but it seems safe to think GGG stops him, assuming BJS gets the right offer and takes it
Yeah it would be very interesting as BJ is technically better then anyone GGG has fought, still not as technically as good as GGG, also he doesn't have any power to keep GGG away. It would be another easy win for GGG but the first 4 round's would be interesting to see how well BJS can do.
I wouldn't fight him yet if I were BJS so I wont complain if he doesn't.
i don't think saunders is technically better than lemieux or geale. i'd probably say either
of those fights for bjs would be pickem, and i thought without the knockdowns fighting the
same way he would havelost to lee, uneventful as the rest of the fight was. saunders can
make, what, a few hundred thousand at most against all but canelo, cotto, and GGG? i highly
doubt GGG agreed to step aside for canelo so that canelo could then go after the lee-saunders
winner, so i'm just crossing him off the reasonable possibilities list for now. cotto already
tried to screw the wbc and ggg after delaying the mandatory for 2 years and getting stripped,
and probably has lawyers all over him because of it. maybe cotto is still an option but that
one could be tricky to even get sanctioned as a title fight. can bjs even defend his title at
155 when he really doesn't look like he has the diet and training down at 160, and would
that fight pay any more than GGG? it would be more survivable than ggg, but cotto would
probably take his title, and then bjs goes back to the paydays he had before. GGG might
just be bj's only real shot at a big payday in 2016, and if he tries defending against legit
top 10 guy in the meantime he might lose in his first defense. if he doesn't get murdered,
a loss to GGG in a unification fight for $2mil or more wouldn't be the worst thing for his
career, and it might be his only real option. they say a bird in the hand is worth two in the
bush. this is more like a pterodactyl in hand that may bite your arm off, and maybe 1 finch
or sparrow in the bush. not much of a choice.
sucracristo wrote:i don't think saunders is technically better than lemieux or geale. i'd probably say either
of those fights for bjs would be pickem .
His movement and defence are better then those, his jab is better (he was out jabbing Lee most of the fight even though Lee has a massive height and reach advantage).
sucracristo wrote:i don't think saunders is technically better than lemieux or geale. i'd probably say either
of those fights for bjs would be pickem .
His movement and defence are better then those, his jab is better (he was out jabbing Lee most of the fight even though Lee has a massive height and reach advantage).
meh. his jab was slightly better than lee's, but his workrate was awful, especially as the fight went on,
same as with eubank, and his movement and defense were not great in either fight. geale and lemiux
may not have looked great moving and defending against GGG, but saunders would look MUCH worse.
it's all about the level of your opponents and lee is by far saunder's best "win" in a stinker.
sucracristo wrote:i don't think saunders is technically better than lemieux or geale. i'd probably say either
of those fights for bjs would be pickem .
His movement and defence are better then those, his jab is better (he was out jabbing Lee most of the fight even though Lee has a massive height and reach advantage).
meh. his jab was slightly better than lee's, but his workrate was awful, especially as the fight went on,
same as with eubank, and his movement and defense were not great in either fight. geale and lemiux
may not have looked great moving and defending against GGG, but saunders would look MUCH worse.
it's all about the level of your opponents and lee is by far saunder's best "win" in a stinker.
Come on now be honest man, BJS is a very talented undefeated southpaw who in age of 26 has already a respectable resume. His defense and movement is BETTER than Lemieux or Geale, against a Prime Geale at the moment u can say it could be a 50/50 fight but still the guy has much more to become way better than that. I think Lemieux either Knocks out BJS or losses in a close sD.
sucracristo wrote:i don't think saunders is technically better than lemieux or geale. i'd probably say either
of those fights for bjs would be pickem .
His movement and defence are better then those, his jab is better (he was out jabbing Lee most of the fight even though Lee has a massive height and reach advantage).
meh. his jab was slightly better than lee's, but his workrate was awful, especially as the fight went on,
same as with eubank, and his movement and defense were not great in either fight. geale and lemiux
may not have looked great moving and defending against GGG, but saunders would look MUCH worse.
it's all about the level of your opponents and lee is by far saunder's best "win" in a stinker.
In the first 6 rounds BJS defence and movement is excellent, his problem has been his stamina and now he's training properly at the MGM hopefully it improves. Geale and Lemieux have never looked good defensively and Geale's movement is just jerky, show me there fights that impressed you so much that they are better defensively then BJS?
The Lee-BJS fight wasn't exciting because BJS is a counter puncher and after the knockdowns he did what he had to do to win, just because a fight wasn't exciting doesn't mean both boxers are shite.
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sucracristo wrote:i don't think saunders is technically better than lemieux or geale. i'd probably say either
of those fights for bjs would be pickem .
His movement and defence are better then those, his jab is better (he was out jabbing Lee most of the fight even though Lee has a massive height and reach advantage).
meh. his jab was slightly better than lee's, but his workrate was awful, especially as the fight went on,
same as with eubank, and his movement and defense were not great in either fight. geale and lemiux
may not have looked great moving and defending against GGG, but saunders would look MUCH worse.
it's all about the level of your opponents and lee is by far saunder's best "win" in a stinker.
Eubank jr was Saunder's best win and was a fight that even though he faded down the stretch , he won well and it was a good fight .
He would be more difficult to catch against GGG but would still lose without doubt.
rd350lc wrote:
Eubank jr was Saunder's best win and was a fight that even though he faded down the stretch , he won well and it was a good fight .
He would be more difficult to catch against GGG but would still lose without doubt.
He had to hang on Eubank for the last few rounds to get that SD. Current more experienced and less cocky Eubank will confidently beat BJS.
rd350lc wrote:
Eubank jr was Saunder's best win and was a fight that even though he faded down the stretch , he won well and it was a good fight .
He would be more difficult to catch against GGG but would still lose without doubt.
He had to hang on Eubank for the last few rounds to get that SD. Current more experienced and less cocky Eubank will confidently beat BJS.
I'm surprised at you, Ikoralev. I thought you'd be all over this. Unification, another belt. I rate Eubank too but I think BJS had improved (lee is a good win I'd argue a better win than a green Eubank) and while Golovkin should deal with him confidently I think he'll ask some questions of him. I don't particularly like BJS but he's a good boxer and easily one of Golovkin's best opponents should it happen and hey, maybe he's the one to finally take GGG 12? He can't knock out everybody. I like this fight and hope it comes off.
rd350lc wrote:
Eubank jr was Saunder's best win and was a fight that even though he faded down the stretch , he won well and it was a good fight .
He would be more difficult to catch against GGG but would still lose without doubt.
He had to hang on Eubank for the last few rounds to get that SD. Current more experienced and less cocky Eubank will confidently beat BJS.
I'm surprised at you, Ikoralev. I thought you'd be all over this. Unification, another belt. I rate Eubank too but I think BJS had improved (lee is a good win I'd argue a better win than a green Eubank) and while Golovkin should deal with him confidently I think he'll ask some questions of him. I don't particularly like BJS but he's a good boxer and easily one of Golovkin's best opponents should it happen and hey, maybe he's the one to finally take GGG 12? He can't knock out everybody. I like this fight and hope it comes off.
I like the fight. It is by far the best option for Golovkin while he waits for Canelo to grow a pair. Just saying that BJS is not an A level fighter some people are presenting him as.
I feel bad for BJS at this point. The guy just won the belt and now he's got to announce to the world that he's not man enough to fight GGG. But in the grand scheme of things, GGG and Canelo want to accumulate as much hardware as they can in anticipation for their fight next year. Heck, GGG can grab BJS's belt and Danny Jacobs belts and still be ready for a fall showdown with Canelo for the undisputed Middleweight Championship of the World.
No one can beat GGG...it's all just a matter of time.
In terms of the MW division he's definitely one of the best fighters though isn't he? GGG is head and shoulders the best and I've argued for ages it's pointless him sticking around at the weight because there are no real challenges, but if he's going to stay there then this is exactly the sort of fight he should be having. You've always been a passionate defender of Golovkin continuing to seek to unify so I just thought you'd be more excited about it, that's all. I think GGG would beat Jacobs (who has shown chin issues) much faster. Only Canelo is better. BJS is number 3 in the division for me
In terms of the MW division he's definitely one of the best fighters though isn't he? GGG is head and shoulders the best and I've argued for ages it's pointless him sticking around at the weight because there are no real challenges, but if he's going to stay there then this is exactly the sort of fight he should be having. You've always been a passionate defender of Golovkin continuing to seek to unify so I just thought you'd be more excited about it, that's all. I think GGG would beat Jacobs (who has shown chin issues) much faster. Only Canelo is better. BJS is number 3 in the division for me
I think Lemieux and Eubank Jr are better. Possibly a couple more.
However, as BJS got the belt, he is #2 best option for GGG.
After beating Lee BJS emerged as the number one contender to the GGG title IMO. He is a true defensive technician like nobody else in this division. Because of this he would be very hard to beat by anyone. I would probably pick him over any current MW apart from The man obviously.
I believe the best style to beat Golovkin is exactly the style BJS boxes, by sticking and moving. Maybe GGG is level above BJS and will be heavy favorite in this match up. But still because of the style and chin and unbeaten record this is a very interesting fight. Make it happen! Eubank rematch at this stage is as interesting as Pac/Brad 3 in my opinion, no intrigue.
I wonder if there is a case for Wembley event here, or is it too far fetched. Stadium fight and a local ppv might persuade GGG to travel.
Tarkus wrote:After beating Lee BJS emerged as the number one contender to the GGG title IMO. He is a true defensive technician like nobody else in this division. Because of this he would be very hard to beat by anyone. I would probably pick him over any current MW apart from The man obviously.
I believe the best style to beat Golovkin is exactly the style BJS boxes, by sticking and moving. Maybe GGG is level above BJS and will be heavy favorite in this match up. But still because of the style and chin and unbeaten record this is a very interesting fight. Make it happen! Eubank rematch at this stage is as interesting as Pac/Brad 3 in my opinion, no intrigue.
I wonder if there is a case for Wembley event here, or is it too far fetched. Stadium fight and a local ppv might persuade GGG to travel.
It wouldn't do wembley. It's great that it happened with Froch Groves but people forget just how rare it is for boxing to fill a stadium that size. You had boxers like Andre Ward thinking they could come over and 'do wembley' after we had that but it just doesn't work like that.
Froch vs GGG might have done it but realistically not
Fury vs Joshua (or Haye vs Joshua) are the only fights I can think of that would definitely do it
Tarkus wrote:After beating Lee BJS emerged as the number one contender to the GGG title IMO. He is a true defensive technician like nobody else in this division. Because of this he would be very hard to beat by anyone. I would probably pick him over any current MW apart from The man obviously.
I believe the best style to beat Golovkin is exactly the style BJS boxes, by sticking and moving. Maybe GGG is level above BJS and will be heavy favorite in this match up. But still because of the style and chin and unbeaten record this is a very interesting fight. Make it happen! Eubank rematch at this stage is as interesting as Pac/Brad 3 in my opinion, no intrigue.
I wonder if there is a case for Wembley event here, or is it too far fetched. Stadium fight and a local ppv might persuade GGG to travel.
That is not the style to beat Golovkin, In order to beat Golovkin you need to have power that he respects, and better ability to fight on the inside.
The pressure Golovkin applies to all these move and hit boxers is immense, eventually he will break them down and destroy them all of these guys have no chance to beat him.
In terms of the MW division he's definitely one of the best fighters though isn't he? GGG is head and shoulders the best and I've argued for ages it's pointless him sticking around at the weight because there are no real challenges, but if he's going to stay there then this is exactly the sort of fight he should be having. You've always been a passionate defender of Golovkin continuing to seek to unify so I just thought you'd be more excited about it, that's all. I think GGG would beat Jacobs (who has shown chin issues) much faster. Only Canelo is better. BJS is number 3 in the division for me
I think Lemieux and Eubank Jr are better. Possibly a couple more.
However, as BJS got the belt, he is #2 best option for GGG.
Why would you think Eubank Jr is better, when Saunders beat him 2 fights ago?
Aaronide_ger wrote:
That is not the style to beat Golovkin, In order to beat Golovkin you need to have power that he respects, and better ability to fight on the inside.
The pressure Golovkin applies to all these move and hit boxers is immense, eventually he will break them down and destroy them all of these guys have no chance to beat him.
Having a good inside game could be useful if you can get inside, but thats a big if.
I dont agree with the power argument. It was a very popular idea before the Lemieux fight, but I dont think trying to push GGG on a backfoot is a winnable strategy. At least I dont see fighter today that could do it. I guess Lemieux was the best and we saw what happened. You cant deter GGG with power. You need to be smart with him, chess player, mover, like BJS. And even then it is not a given you can beat him. The pressure he put you under is indeed immense. Lara is another interesting guy. But actually I have more faith in BJS to deal with the pressure then Lara.
