90s vs this era matchups

conty22 · Post by **conty22** » 19 Feb 2016, 17:55

Lewis vs Wladimir
Lewis vs Fury
Holyfield vs Povetkin
Mike Tyson vs David Haye
David Tua vs Stiverne
Bruno vs Joshua
Morrison vs Wilder
Michael Grant vs Chisora
Ridick Bowe vs Wladimir Klitschko
Ridick Bowe vs Ortiz

Who wins those matchups?

HyacinthusTurnipseed · Post by **HyacinthusTurnipseed** » 19 Feb 2016, 20:18

Lewis vs Wladimir - Lewis early KO
Lewis vs Fury - Lewis late KO
Holyfield vs Povetkin - Holyfield dec
Mike Tyson vs David Haye - Tyson early KO
David Tua vs Stiverne - Tua wide dec
Bruno vs Joshua - Joshua mid KO
Morrison vs Wilder - Wilder mid / late KO
Michael Grant vs Chisora - Chisora wide dec
Ridick Bowe vs Wladimir Klitschko - Bowe early KO
Ridick Bowe vs Ortiz - Bowe late KO

Monte Fisto · Post by **Monte Fisto** » 20 Feb 2016, 04:43

Lewis
Lewis
Holyfield
Tua
Bruno (at present)
Morrison
Grant
Bowe
Bowe

90's clean sweep

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 20 Feb 2016, 05:54

Lewis TKO2 Wlad - One-sided beat down, although there's a 1 in 5 chance Lennox walks into something big and there's a repeat of the McCall fight.
Lewis TKO6 Fury - Fury down multiple times in an otherwise competitive fight, Lewis eventually grinds him down
Holyfield TKO8 Povetkin - Largely one-sided fight, I just can't see Povetkin winning in any scenario (short of Hepatitis or heart problems)
Tyson KO1 Haye - Considering how scared Haye was of Wlad and Valuev, I think he looks for an easy-out, as he couldn't hide from a prime Tyson. Make it an early 90s Tyson, and Haye might see the 5th round.
Tua TKO9 Stiverne - Competitive fight up until the stoppage, both big punchers with good chin.
Joshua TKO7 Bruno - I see this as similar to the Bruno-Lewis fight, with Bruno ahead on points before walking into something big.
Wilder TKO6 Morrison - Could be a KO either way, I see this as a 60:40 fight for Wilder.
Grant UD12 Chisora - Close and competitive fight, Grant winning via 7-5 and 8-4 type scorecards.
Bowe TKO5 Klitschko - Wlad has a punchers chance - he's a bit better than Bowe on the outside, but far worse on the inside.
Bowe UD12 Ortiz - Ortiz with a puncher's chance, but I like Bowe to win a clear, 8-4 type to 9-3 type decision.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 20 Feb 2016, 06:08

Lewis
Lewis
Holyfield
Tyson
Tua
Joshua
Morrison
Chisora
Bowe
Bowe

making it tough on the modern fighters just using heavyweights.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 20 Feb 2016, 06:09

How in the world does Wilder/Morrison last until the mid/late rounds?

HyacinthusTurnipseed · Post by **HyacinthusTurnipseed** » 20 Feb 2016, 09:59

Maybe late is a stretch. Somewhere between 5-9 rounds is what I had in mind. I'd expect it to be tentative early though (and somewhat tentative throughout), Wilder especially I see not trying to force an opening before round 4. Morrison could easily come out super aggressive and overwhelm Deontay / walk into something though of course - that wouldn't surprise me. But I see them both trying to box for the most part.

Dancin' Dan · Post by **Dancin' Dan** » 22 Feb 2016, 00:42

Revisionist. So a guy who holds the title for close to a decade gets blown out fast but Fury last longer? really? I am not a Wlad fan but this is clearly not well thought out. What if lad losing had to do more with his wife's therapy and lack of training? Or what if he just got old at 4o finally? He has beat a ton of guys and some pretty good ones too. Many claim Lennox "almost" lost to Vitali because of age. He was younger than Wlad for sure. 90s where fun but the heavies now are bigger and stronger. Even Tyson said so. Plus really let's compare 70s to 90s if u want to get interesting. Those cats really fought each other!

campfire · Post by **campfire** » 22 Feb 2016, 01:39

[quote="conty22"]Lewis vs Wladimir
Lewis vs Fury
Holyfield vs Povetkin
Mike Tyson vs David Haye
David Tua vs Stiverne
Bruno vs Joshua
Morrison vs Wilder
Michael Grant vs Chisora
Ridick Bowe vs Wladimir Klitschko
Ridick Bowe vs Ortiz

Who wins those matchups?[/quote It just about would be a clean sweep for the 90's

Reece_D · Post by **Reece_D** » 22 Feb 2016, 06:24

Lewis Mid rounds KO
Lewis Late KO
Holyfield Mid rounds KO
Mike Tyson early KO
Tua late TKO
Joshua mid rounds KO
Morrison early KO
Grant UD
Bowe Mid rounds KO
Bowe Mid rounds KO

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Feb 2016, 08:28

Styles make fights. Wlad has a bigger puncher's chance against Lewis because he has a bigger punch than Fury, but I think Fury has better survival skills. I have no illusions that what we saw was a prime Wlad, but based on what I've seen, I think Fury gives any version of Wlad trouble. Wlad certainly beat a ton of heavyweights, but he ruled in one of the weakest eras in the division's history - I never rated him all that highly and always thought that Lewis would walk through him.

Heavyweights today bigger and stronger than the 90s? Fatter and more over-muscled I will agree with. There are still plenty of natural cruiserweights (Haye, Cunningham etc) and even light heavyweights (Adamek, Chambers etc) fighting and being successful at heavyweight.

I agree that the 70s vs the 90s is a more interesting and competitive eras matchup.

campfire · Post by **campfire** » 23 Feb 2016, 01:35

But Joshua beats Bruno 10 tko

Undefeated49-0 · Post by **Undefeated49-0** » 24 Feb 2016, 13:29

Only one from the 90's that loses IMHO by KO is the china chinned Grant and probably Joshua dec over Bruno, Bowe loses by dec to Ortiz

Lewis pancakes that Bum Fury
Holyfield workrate, chin and heart too much for Povetkin
Tyson walks through Haye like hot butter through a knife
Tua sends Stiverne's dome in orbit like JMM vs Packy
Joshua over Bruno via dec
Chisora breathes hard enough on Grant's chin and it's over quickly
Bowe destroys Wlad
Bowe loses to Ortiz

funso banjo baby · Post by **funso banjo baby** » 24 Feb 2016, 19:56

is it just me being nostalgic but I don't see ANY peak 90's losing their fights?

Dancin' Dan · Post by **Dancin' Dan** » 26 Feb 2016, 13:53

All the match ups are fun. Prime Wlad would have a shot against any of them. Mercer would be a war for anyone. Povetkin might do better than most - Gold medal winner. Bowe might have been the best but his peak was incredibly short. Watching Golota beat him so badly twice can't be forgotten.

Last Vitali - never down, busy boxer who seldom held. Completely different fighter than his brother. Wlad may have bigger one shot power but Vitali was definitely the killer of the family. Loved the way he stared people down. In my opinion Fury and Wilder wouldn't have stood a shot with him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j0RCsynXm0w
Last Corrie Sanders would be fun against anyone on the list. He was flat out avoided till he was older. Conditioning always his flaw. No one faster.
Last Joshua looks so promising. In a year he could really own the division. Him versus Holyfield now. Absolute war. Holy was always a giant killer and preferred guys who came to him. Holy wins in my book.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Feb 2016, 18:12

Holyfield was one of the toughest men to ever step into the ring. Only stopped legimately once in his prime, in a very bizzare fight indeed against Bowe, where he had Bowe out on his feet but then just couldn't seem to pull the trigger.

hawaiianpunch · Post by **hawaiianpunch** » 26 Feb 2016, 18:30

Lewis KO
Lewis KO
Holyfield UD
Tyson KO
Tua KO
Joshua KO
Wilder KO
Grant UD
Bowe KO
Bowe UD

HyacinthusTurnipseed · Post by **HyacinthusTurnipseed** » 26 Feb 2016, 20:33

Nah. I've seen probably most of Wlad's world title fights over his career - I'm basing my prediction on prime Steward-era WK. I see his defensive manoeuvres as playing into Lewis' hands (straight-line backwards footwork, arms loose and away from his face, head pulled back - Lewis has decent arm length, handspeed and timing and long power to catch him jumping out sooner or later) and I suspect all things considered (Wlad's power and vulnerability) Lewis would choose to come out fast and assert dominance, not let Wlad get comfortable. With Tyson, for all his flaws I see him messing Lewis around for a while with lateral movement and showing him different looks. Plus Fury would have wound Lewis up no end in the build up and his inner chessman wouldn't want to play into TF's hands by starting too aggressively. By the seventh, eighth round or so he moves through the gears and starts finding the punches he needs.

Also, while Fury hasn't yet had a percentage of the career Wlad has had, I don't see either as taking any solace at all from lasting a little longer than the other before being KO'd. Both would just be gutted they didn't win. I don't think Ron Lyle has much of a claim to being better prime-for-prime better than Joe Frazier (despite their respective vs Foreman performances) and I don't think Frank Bruno has a claim to being better than Michael Spinks (despite their respective vs Mike Tyson performances) for example.

Plus, y'know, I might just be wrong in my predictions. Thinking things out or not I predict wrong all the time - that's part of the fun of boxing. Wlad-Fury was one I did kinda get right though.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 26 Feb 2016, 22:06

He had hepatitis, no gas.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Feb 2016, 11:40

Was it though, because I watched it the other day, and they were saying it was heart trouble, which he later got the Mayo clinic to test him for so he could be cleared to fight.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the effects of all the steroids causing havoc with his body.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 27 Feb 2016, 13:25

Lewis KO 5 Wladimir
Lewis KO 1 Fury
Holyfield TKO 10 Povetkin
Mike Tyson KO 3 David Haye
David Tua TKO 9 Stiverne
Anthony Joshua KO 6 Frank Bruno
Tommy Morrison KO 4 Deontay Wilder (could go either way though)
Michael Grant W12 Dereck Chisora
Riddick Bowe KO 4 Wlad

I figure Bowe would beat Ortiz too, but I'm not sure what kinda chin Ortiz has. If he'd last the distance or get stopped. Ortiz may well be better than I think at the moment too, but only time will tell.

Manos_De_Piedra · Post by **Manos_De_Piedra** » 27 Feb 2016, 13:39

Lewis vs Wladimir - Give me Lewis who I feel is a natural with more grit. Wouldn't bet much on it though. 60-40 affair.

Lewis vs Fury - Lewis early. Fury does not have the power to keep Lewis off him and Lewis won't be afraid to cut the ring off, take a few shots in the process and finish matters.

Holyfield vs Povetkin - Holyfield late. He turns up the heat and Povetkin can't keep up. Marco Huck had him on the brink, Holyfields relentless combination punching and aggression will overwhelm Sasha.

Tyson vs Haye - Tyson mid-rounds. Haye has some success pot-shotting against a mid 90s Tyson but eventually gets caught.

Tua vs Stiverne - 2 embarassing plodders, couldn't care less.

Bruno vs Joshua - I'll take Bruno to chin him with a big right hand off that stiff jab. Bruno was not the top of the elite but he was world class and of a superior cloth to the bums Joshua has been wasting, both ability and experience wise. Although I think Joshua clearly has far more potential. Just a bit too green.

Morrison vs WIlder - 50-50. Two glass cannons.

Grant vs Chisora - Chisora UD. Grant was a hypejob of the highest order.

Riddick Bowe vs Wlad - Wlad by stoppage. He keeps Bowe at range with his jab and footwork and beats on him like a drum with that big right hand.

Riddick Bowe vs Ortiz- Bowe mid round stoppage. Ortiz has shitty stamina and needs to take rests. Bowe takes advantage of that.

davie · Post by **davie** » 27 Feb 2016, 13:42

You wouldn't last long on the boxing history forum

badkatt · Post by **badkatt** » 03 Mar 2016, 22:35

lewis
lewis
holyfield
tyson
tua
bruno
morrison go watch morrison v art tucker
chisora
bowe
???? ortiz is still a ????

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