Luis Ortis-What do people think of him?

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I've got to be honest I've never really watched this guy until today and I've watched pretty much all the YouTube vids. The guy looks absolutely amazing! I know he's old but I could see him being top dog in the division. What does everyone else think?
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Nightmare Roy wrote:I've got to be honest I've never really watched this guy until today and I've watched pretty much all the YouTube vids. The guy looks absolutely amazing! I know he's old but I could see him being top dog in the division. What does everyone else think?
I don't know where the hell he has been or what he has been doing all this time. He is the business. Skills to burn, power, moves, size, everything. Could have wiped out Wladimir years ago and saved us a decade of pain. WHY LUIS WHY????

Oh, and, drugs.
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Yeah he's a great boxer. I posted my top 10 heavweight's a while ago and had Ortiz at 4 for which I got criticism for having him higher than Wilder.

Think he looks one of the few heavyweights in recent years who has genuine power coupled with good technique, he's also still quite quick considering he's 36.

He didn't defect until 2009 and that was primarily due to his daughter needing serious medical attention which she was getting in Cuba. Along with his suspension for Nandrolene it has stalled his career somewhat. Excited seeing him in against Thompson, hoping he can follow up the Jennings win with stoppage over TT. I would then like him in with the winner of Chagaev/ Browne although it's not clear yet whether he still is mandated to fight Ustinov (he apparently "was not contactable" by WBA when they tried to speak to him about arranging fight for March as part of their WBA Tournament).
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I really rate him. His hand speed and footwork are amazing for a HW.
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Just watched some clips, not seen him until now.

What a shame he's just coming to prominence at 36 -he really looks the whole package, fluid, well balanced, seems to have genuine power, great combinations and footwork, very quick for a big man, and has a very good variety of shots, including a cultured body attack.

Can't remember the last heavyweight I saw who fought like that, he fights like a middleweight. If that makes any sense. He doesn't fight like he's aware of his size.
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Welcome to the bandwagon. Hope he get Fury/Klitschko fight end of this year.
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He's a unit.

Although I think he got busted for nandrolone at one stage didn't he? or something similar.

Apparently they feed it to horses - and he's a big fan of horse meat stew (a cuban delicacy) and has now stopped eating it. Make of that what you will, but there's no denying he's a force.

His achilles heel will be dollar bills and Miami sunshine, which has been the main downfall for gifted Cubans over the years.
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Numerous people around the world eat horse meat, including Aussies. Mortadella is dead horse/donkey meat & not pork as Italians claim :-P
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G0mez wrote:He's a unit.

Although I think he got busted for nandrolone at one stage didn't he? or something similar.

Apparently they feed it to horses - and he's a big fan of horse meat stew (a cuban delicacy) and has now stopped eating it. Make of that what you will, but there's no denying he's a force.

His achilles heel will be dollar bills and Miami sunshine, which has been the main downfall for gifted Cubans over the years.
Been in USA think 2009, unlike Solis, Gonzalez, Barthelemy amongst others think he is past that stage, 36 with family, willing to fight anyone.

Really rate him, by all accounts DLH is planning to have him on the Khan Alvarez undercard assuming he beats TT in March.
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I've seen him a few times. He's an absolute beast but he's old, and he's failed a drugs test too so bit of a question mark there.

Right now i think he has the ability to beat any heavyweight, including the champions Wilder, Fury & champ in waiting, Joshua.

I think it could be a case of Stiverne though.... he looked like an absolute beast vs Arreola, but left it so late in the day he was completely shot by his next fight.
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I've been impressed; he's got power, is effective when taking the lead or countering, has a good range of punches and mixes them well to the head and body, and is fluid for a big man. Shame that he didn't break through until so late.
I think it could be a case of Stiverne though.... he looked like an absolute beast vs Arreola, but left it so late in the day he was completely shot by his next fight.
I don't think it was so much that he was shot as it was that he wasn't actually that good in the first place. Prior to Arreola he was stopped by a journeyman, held to a draw by a journeyman, and schooled for almost 10 rounds by 40 year old Ray Austin.
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He looks very good but I do think he's getting overrated and overhyped because of the Jennings KO. I can't see him beating any of Wlad, Povetkin, Fury or Haye who are imo the divisions top 4. I think he'd beat Wilder though.
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I concur with everyone else. He's a very skilled operator and it's a shame that he's probably only got a few good years left in him to get those fights which is gonna be tough because he's very high risk and low reward.
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Fury said he wouldn't fight Ortiz because he's too much risk for no reward, prior to fighting Klitschko.
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Drug cheat.
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B.H Shadduck wrote:
G0mez wrote:He's a big fan of horse meat stew (a cuban delicacy)
:-?
Is that a Euphemism for something?
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expe wrote:Drug cheat.
He was but let's be honest, how many of the top heavyweights do you think are really clean? Guys like Fury I can believe but people like Joshua, Povetkin (You seen the size of the traps on that fornicator these days?!) and there's other's I could mention aswell. Even Parker looks a little suspicious to me.

He was busted no doubt and there's no excuses for that but he's now doing VADA year round testing.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:
B.H Shadduck wrote:
G0mez wrote:He's a big fan of horse meat stew (a cuban delicacy)
:-?
Is that a Euphemism for something?
He was alluding to the fact that Ortiz like's big schlongs .... :lol: No in all seriousness i'm not sure if Gomez was making a bit of an Alastair Overreem reference before he popped or that he genuinely does like a certain dish of food which contains Horse meat.
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He turned pro in 2010 that was about 5 years too late closer to 40 then 30 I know we'v had fighters over 40 or in their late 30's win world titles but no where near fighters that are more like 30 or in their late 20's after say 100 amateur fights if you don't by then how to fight then you should get another hobby :D :bag:
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campfire wrote:He turned pro in 2010 that was about 5 years too late closer to 40 then 30 I know we'v had fighters over 40 or in their late 30's win world titles but no where near fighters that are more like 30 or in their late 20's after say 100 amateur fights if you don't by then how to fight then you should get another hobby :D :bag:
Well if he turned pro in 2010 when he was 31 then, surely he was closer to 30 than he was to 40? Not trying to be a dick but the maths doesnt add up there.
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lefty wrote:
campfire wrote:He turned pro in 2010 that was about 5 years too late closer to 40 then 30 I know we'v had fighters over 40 or in their late 30's win world titles but no where near fighters that are more like 30 or in their late 20's after say 100 amateur fights if you don't by then how to fight then you should get another hobby :D :bag:
Well if he turned pro in 2010 when he was 31 then, surely he was closer to 30 than he was to 40? Not trying to be a dick but the maths doesnt add up there.

Your not being a dick you could have fooled me Ortiz age wise left it toooooooooooooooooo late ok dick that's my opinion :-P
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TBEwasLangford wrote:Yeah he's a great boxer. I posted my top 10 heavweight's a while ago and had Ortiz at 4 for which I got criticism for having him higher than Wilder.

Think he looks one of the few heavyweights in recent years who has genuine power coupled with good technique, he's also still quite quick considering he's 36.

He didn't defect until 2009 and that was primarily due to his daughter needing serious medical attention which she was getting in Cuba. Along with his suspension for Nandrolene it has stalled his career somewhat. Excited seeing him in against Thompson, hoping he can follow up the Jennings win with stoppage over TT. I would then like him in with the winner of Chagaev/ Browne although it's not clear yet whether he still is mandated to fight Ustinov (he apparently "was not contactable" by WBA when they tried to speak to him about arranging fight for March as part of their WBA Tournament).
His performance against Jennings is better than anything Wilder has done.

Considering Wilder struggled v Spzilkas southpaw stance Im confident Ortiz would destroy him.
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Anyone see bit of bowe in him, style wise?
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The bleached hair do didn't do him any favours
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Wales wrote:Anyone see bit of bowe in him, style wise?
Absolutely.
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