Roys prime vs anothers prime

[Chepppaaa]

guys, just think about it. during floyds prime, even in his prime, he had problems against other boxer. he had problems against augustus, was bloodied up, he had problems with castillo, lost the fight. in both fights, floyd was in his prime years.

during roys prime years, he never had problems with anybody. and he faced as good of opponents as floyd did, maybe even better. i am talking of floyd from 2000-2006, he was prime than struggled with judah, augustus and castillo. from 1993 till 2001 roy was prime and he faced hopkins, toney, griffin, mc callum and nobody gave him problems and i guess nobody will argue that in that time roy faced better guys than floyd. sure, since the de la hoya fight, than mayweather stepped up and fought more quality opposition. roy didnt.

aside from robinson or leonard, you cant tell me another boxer who so rarely got hit, or so rarely lost single rounds, compared to what roy did. you dont get into a fight with tony, young hopkins and mccallum and lose like in all 3 fights combined 3-4 rds, nobody does that except him.

[Kalan]

aside from robinson or leonard, you cant tell me another boxer who so rarely got hit, or so rarely lost single rounds

Roy Jones lost a lot of rounds to the older Tarver - including getting knocked out in 2 rounds. YES Tarver was OLDER than Roy. Maybe that's why Roy finally stopped ducking AT - because Tarver was older and was getting old. But Tarver could hit and he knocked Roy out. Mayweather was never knocked out OR beaten - and Floyd fought to a much older age then 35 - where AT and Glen knocked Roy Jones out.

Robinson's record in Middleweight Title Defenses was: 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Golovkin's record in Middle Title Defenses: 16-0 with 16 KO wins

Sugar Ray Robinson was knocked down (hard) many time, including by crude swingers: Artie Levine, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, and Tommy Bell... Gennady Golovkin has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights.

As far as Leonard goes.. He got hit a ton by Duran, Hearns, and Norris.. and got knocked down by Norris, Hearns, Howard, etc.. Like I said before, GGG has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights. In fact GGG has never lost more than 1 round in any pro fight.

[Stuarty]

aside from robinson or leonard, you cant tell me another boxer who so rarely got hit, or so rarely lost single rounds

Roy Jones lost a lot of rounds to the older Tarver - including getting knocked out in 2 rounds. YES Tarver was OLDER than Roy. Maybe that's why Roy finally stopped ducking AT - because Tarver was older and was getting old. But Tarver could hit and he knocked Roy out. Mayweather was never knocked out OR beaten - and Floyd fought to a much older age then 35 - where AT and Glen knocked Roy Jones out.

Robinson's record in Middleweight Title Defenses was: 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Golovkin's record in Middle Title Defenses: 16-0 with 16 KO wins

Sugar Ray Robinson was knocked down (hard) many time, including by crude swingers: Artie Levine, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, and Tommy Bell... Gennady Golovkin has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights.

As far as Leonard goes.. He got hit a ton by Duran, Hearns, and Norris.. and got knocked down by Norris, Hearns, Howard, etc.. Like I said before, GGG has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights. In fact GGG has never lost more than 1 round in any pro fight.

Jones peaked and went to heavyweight to beat Ruiz. He put a lot of weight on then burst his arse to lose it all again and that's why Tarver and Johnson beat him. A prime Jones would've slaughtered both of them and I don't think there's any arguement about that. GGG v RJJ would be an absolute dream fight!

[Chepppaaa]

aside from robinson or leonard, you cant tell me another boxer who so rarely got hit, or so rarely lost single rounds

Roy Jones lost a lot of rounds to the older Tarver - including getting knocked out in 2 rounds. YES Tarver was OLDER than Roy. Maybe that's why Roy finally stopped ducking AT - because Tarver was older and was getting old. But Tarver could hit and he knocked Roy out. Mayweather was never knocked out OR beaten - and Floyd fought to a much older age then 35 - where AT and Glen knocked Roy Jones out.

Robinson's record in Middleweight Title Defenses was: 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Golovkin's record in Middle Title Defenses: 16-0 with 16 KO wins

Sugar Ray Robinson was knocked down (hard) many time, including by crude swingers: Artie Levine, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, and Tommy Bell... Gennady Golovkin has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights.

As far as Leonard goes.. He got hit a ton by Duran, Hearns, and Norris.. and got knocked down by Norris, Hearns, Howard, etc.. Like I said before, GGG has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights. In fact GGG has never lost more than 1 round in any pro fight.

roy was past it ater ruiz.

stop your ggg nonsense, dude is very good, but against b level boxers and tomato cans, ggg would lose rounds would there be guys like abraham, pavlik or sergio at middleeight.

you talk to much, the end result is that you dont talk about the subject and that is who got least hit in prime.

[dberry]

I would have loved to have seen LHW RJJ in against Paul Briggs in between Briggs' first Adamak fight and his second. I would have loved to have seen RJJ fight Benn and Eubanks too. As for dream match ups Id love to see middleweight RJJ in with GGG, I think that fight would be incredible, I also would have loved to see him in with some of the LHWs of the seventies as well as The Mongoose and Ray Leonard.

[dberry]

aside from robinson or leonard, you cant tell me another boxer who so rarely got hit, or so rarely lost single rounds

Roy Jones lost a lot of rounds to the older Tarver - including getting knocked out in 2 rounds. YES Tarver was OLDER than Roy. Maybe that's why Roy finally stopped ducking AT - because Tarver was older and was getting old. But Tarver could hit and he knocked Roy out. Mayweather was never knocked out OR beaten - and Floyd fought to a much older age then 35 - where AT and Glen knocked Roy Jones out.

Robinson's record in Middleweight Title Defenses was: 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Golovkin's record in Middle Title Defenses: 16-0 with 16 KO wins

Sugar Ray Robinson was knocked down (hard) many time, including by crude swingers: Artie Levine, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, and Tommy Bell... Gennady Golovkin has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights.

As far as Leonard goes.. He got hit a ton by Duran, Hearns, and Norris.. and got knocked down by Norris, Hearns, Howard, etc.. Like I said before, GGG has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights. In fact GGG has never lost more than 1 round in any pro fight.

roy was past it ater ruiz.

stop your ggg nonsense, dude is very good, but against b level boxers and tomato cans, ggg would lose rounds would there be guys like abraham, pavlik or sergio at middleeight.

you talk to much, the end result is that you dont talk about the subject and that is who got least hit in prime.

I'm not going to say I think GGG beats RJJ, I really don't know, it's a fight that I genuinely would love to see, Roy was an amateur sensation, as was GGG. GGG has reduced fighters that were regarded as top middleweights into "b level fighters" in a matter of a few rounds, Roy has done the same. It's a classic American style vs the Russian style, Roy's reflexes and speed vs Golovkin's CHB and footwork/ringcraft (Roy has never fought any one at middle with the same ability), Golovkin's defence versus Jones Jr's very different defence, forget any Golovkin hate or nostalgia for Jones Jr. and you can see this has the makings of a classic.

[Chepppaaa]

Roy Jones lost a lot of rounds to the older Tarver - including getting knocked out in 2 rounds. YES Tarver was OLDER than Roy. Maybe that's why Roy finally stopped ducking AT - because Tarver was older and was getting old. But Tarver could hit and he knocked Roy out. Mayweather was never knocked out OR beaten - and Floyd fought to a much older age then 35 - where AT and Glen knocked Roy Jones out.

Robinson's record in Middleweight Title Defenses was: 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Golovkin's record in Middle Title Defenses: 16-0 with 16 KO wins

Sugar Ray Robinson was knocked down (hard) many time, including by crude swingers: Artie Levine, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, and Tommy Bell... Gennady Golovkin has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights.

As far as Leonard goes.. He got hit a ton by Duran, Hearns, and Norris.. and got knocked down by Norris, Hearns, Howard, etc.. Like I said before, GGG has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights. In fact GGG has never lost more than 1 round in any pro fight.

roy was past it ater ruiz.

stop your ggg nonsense, dude is very good, but against b level boxers and tomato cans, ggg would lose rounds would there be guys like abraham, pavlik or sergio at middleeight.

you talk to much, the end result is that you dont talk about the subject and that is who got least hit in prime.

I'm not going to say I think GGG beats RJJ, I really don't know, it's a fight that I genuinely would love to see, Roy was an amateur sensation, as was GGG. GGG has reduced fighters that were regarded as top middleweights into "b level fighters" in a matter of a few rounds, Roy has done the same. It's a classic American style vs the Russian style, Roy's reflexes and speed vs Golovkin's CHB and footwork/ringcraft (Roy has never fought any one at middle with the same ability), Golovkin's defence versus Jones Jr's very different defence, forget any Golovkin hate or nostalgia for Jones Jr. and you can see this has the makings of a classic.

use your boxing sense.

if you get in the ring with a prime ggg, what do you do?

first question is, gameplan, moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters, but always in a heart beat from distance, no engaging in a battle, or you got hagler kind of power and can bang it out with ggg.

the most important question than is, do you have the technicle and athletic ability to do, what your gameplan is asking you to do.

and here comes roy, the most athletic, the fastest boxer ever, with close to the power ggg has. now tell me, what would happen.

[ElJefe]

aside from robinson or leonard, you cant tell me another boxer who so rarely got hit, or so rarely lost single rounds

Roy Jones lost a lot of rounds to the older Tarver - including getting knocked out in 2 rounds. YES Tarver was OLDER than Roy. Maybe that's why Roy finally stopped ducking AT - because Tarver was older and was getting old. But Tarver could hit and he knocked Roy out. Mayweather was never knocked out OR beaten - and Floyd fought to a much older age then 35 - where AT and Glen knocked Roy Jones out.

Robinson's record in Middleweight Title Defenses was: 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Golovkin's record in Middle Title Defenses: 16-0 with 16 KO wins

Sugar Ray Robinson was knocked down (hard) many time, including by crude swingers: Artie Levine, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, and Tommy Bell... Gennady Golovkin has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights.

As far as Leonard goes.. He got hit a ton by Duran, Hearns, and Norris.. and got knocked down by Norris, Hearns, Howard, etc.. Like I said before, GGG has never been knocked down in 385 amateur and professional fights. In fact GGG has never lost more than 1 round in any pro fight.

Doesn't matter that Tarver was older, the key is that he was much fresher, 30 less pro fights than Jones and he didn't go to HW and back. And Roy was ducking Tarver? Roy went up to HW and won the WBA title, Ruiz wasn't a great fighter but historically it's still one of the best accomplishments this century. So instead of making history, he should have stayed at 175 to fight Tarver? Tarver's best win was a split decision over Reggie Johnson, who Roy had shut-out and dropped twice 3 years earlier? Tarver was also 1-1 with Eric Harding, who Roy had also beat. Infact, it was after Harding won the first Tarver fight that he got the shot at Roy. If Tarver hadn't have got beat, chances are he would have got the shot at Jones. But he didn't. Because he lost. Which is his own fault.

[Chepppaaa]

ruiz beat holyfied, so he wasnt that bad. you totaly have it right, tarver was just much fresher than roy. roy had far more fight, better opposition and the weight gain and loss is getting on your body.

[dberry]

roy was past it ater ruiz.

stop your ggg nonsense, dude is very good, but against b level boxers and tomato cans, ggg would lose rounds would there be guys like abraham, pavlik or sergio at middleeight.

you talk to much, the end result is that you dont talk about the subject and that is who got least hit in prime.

I'm not going to say I think GGG beats RJJ, I really don't know, it's a fight that I genuinely would love to see, Roy was an amateur sensation, as was GGG. GGG has reduced fighters that were regarded as top middleweights into "b level fighters" in a matter of a few rounds, Roy has done the same. It's a classic American style vs the Russian style, Roy's reflexes and speed vs Golovkin's CHB and footwork/ringcraft (Roy has never fought any one at middle with the same ability), Golovkin's defence versus Jones Jr's very different defence, forget any Golovkin hate or nostalgia for Jones Jr. and you can see this has the makings of a classic.

use your boxing sense.

if you get in the ring with a prime ggg, what do you do?

first question is, gameplan, moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters, but always in a heart beat from distance, no engaging in a battle, or you got hagler kind of power and can bang it out with ggg.

the most important question than is, do you have the technicle and athletic ability to do, what your gameplan is asking you to do.

and here comes roy, the most athletic, the fastest boxer ever, with close to the power ggg has. now tell me, what would happen.

See, now this is why it's a good fight, I'm not at all suggesting GGG would win, although I'm not saying middleweight RJJ would win either, I really don't know, it would be a fantastic fight, I believe, and the fact that I don't know who would win makes it exciting for me. In my opinion it's not a forgone conclusion either way, I think that GGG is better than middleweight Tony and Hopkins though.

[Chepppaaa]

i just think that at the end roy is to athletic to fast for anybody, he would get rarely touched by ggg, but what is true, is that ggg doesnt need you to touch you often to hurt you, some clear shots are sometimes enough to realy put you in deep problem, so yeah jones-ggg at middleweight would be super great and yes, ggg is the best middleweight since leonard/hagler, if taylor walked prime hopkins down like he did and won, than ggg sure as hell would pose a lot more problems and yes beat prime time hopkins, the version that beat tito. ggg would cut the ring, put on combos, go to the body and upstairs and ud X

[SenorPipino]

Considering how many times Jones has been knocked unconscious during his over-the-hill years, I venture to say that he always had a very fragile chin. Maybe Khan-like.

For the most part, he didn't fight many elite fighters, especially as a light-heavy. He was far too fast for these ordinary guys and his chin was never exposed.

You have to figure that if he fought any of the ATG fighters, they would have been fully capable of testing his jaw sometime during the bout, and Roy would gone down hard.

Jones could fight a perfect fight against the Tony Thortons, Merqui Sosas, Bryant Brannons and Otis Grants of the world, but it would have been very difficult for him to avoid all the big shots from a Hagler, Spinks, Foster or Robinson.

They too would have put a prime Roy Jones to sleep.

[thomasjkelley]

You cannot pick a moment in RJJ's career and subjectively claim that his prime ended on that note. Roy has two impressive wins in his career, Toney & BHop 1. Both were counter punchers and that's a style that was never going to beat Jones. McCallum was 40 years old when they fought- one fight from retirement. The fight most fans wanted to see was Jones vs. Michalczweski, save that it would have been nice to see him fight Benn, Eubanks, Tiozzo. None of them happened and he wasn't trying to make them happen. From Toney up until Tarver, Roy fought a veritable who's who of average Joes; at least 10 years & 20 straight fights without a real challenger. That was Roy's prime. Say what you want about Floyd, he certainly isn't keen on taking chances but at least he fought most of the big names out there. He waited for Paquiao to age and he didn't want to fight Golovkin but Golovkin has 15 pounds on him, I don't consider that a duck, it was a smart business move. Jones went a full decade fighting B fighters at best. I cannot judge him better than Mayweather when he didn't fight anyone worth mentioning in those ten prime years.

[Kalan]

roy was past it ater ruiz.

stop your ggg nonsense, dude is very good, but against b level boxers and tomato cans, ggg would lose rounds would there be guys like abraham, pavlik or sergio at middleeight.

you talk to much, the end result is that you dont talk about the subject and that is who got least hit in prime.

I'm not going to say I think GGG beats RJJ, I really don't know, it's a fight that I genuinely would love to see, Roy was an amateur sensation, as was GGG. GGG has reduced fighters that were regarded as top middleweights into "b level fighters" in a matter of a few rounds, Roy has done the same. It's a classic American style vs the Russian style, Roy's reflexes and speed vs Golovkin's CHB and footwork/ringcraft (Roy has never fought any one at middle with the same ability), Golovkin's defence versus Jones Jr's very different defence, forget any Golovkin hate or nostalgia for Jones Jr. and you can see this has the makings of a classic.

use your boxing sense.

if you get in the ring with a prime ggg, what do you do?

first question is, gameplan, moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters, but always in a heart beat from distance, no engaging in a battle, or you got hagler kind of power and can bang it out with ggg.

the most important question than is, do you have the technicle and athletic ability to do, what your gameplan is asking you to do.

and here comes roy, the most athletic, the fastest boxer ever, with close to the power ggg has. now tell me, what would happen.

Put it this way... Roy got knocked flat on his butt by the not too good Lou Del Valle in his prime... He got knocked out by Tarver at 35... GGG is 34... Never been knocked down in 385 professional and amateur fights... I don't think anyone will give him a break when he's 35... Abraham??? If GGG fought Abraham??? Murray fought an even SD with Abraham and knocked Martinez down twice and won at least 8 rounds from him.. Golovkin completely dominated Murray and floored him for the only 3 times in his life and stopped him for the only stoppage of his life. It's what GGG did to guys like Lemieux and Murray that causes the best middleweights not to fight him.

[Chepppaaa]

I'm not going to say I think GGG beats RJJ, I really don't know, it's a fight that I genuinely would love to see, Roy was an amateur sensation, as was GGG. GGG has reduced fighters that were regarded as top middleweights into "b level fighters" in a matter of a few rounds, Roy has done the same. It's a classic American style vs the Russian style, Roy's reflexes and speed vs Golovkin's CHB and footwork/ringcraft (Roy has never fought any one at middle with the same ability), Golovkin's defence versus Jones Jr's very different defence, forget any Golovkin hate or nostalgia for Jones Jr. and you can see this has the makings of a classic.

use your boxing sense.

if you get in the ring with a prime ggg, what do you do?

first question is, gameplan, moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters, but always in a heart beat from distance, no engaging in a battle, or you got hagler kind of power and can bang it out with ggg.

the most important question than is, do you have the technicle and athletic ability to do, what your gameplan is asking you to do.

and here comes roy, the most athletic, the fastest boxer ever, with close to the power ggg has. now tell me, what would happen.

Put it this way... Roy got knocked flat on his butt by the not too good Lou Del Valle in his prime... He got knocked out by Tarver at 35... GGG is 34... Never been knocked down in 385 professional and amateur fights... I don't think anyone will give him a break when he's 35... Abraham??? If GGG fought Abraham??? Murray fought an even SD with Abraham and knocked Martinez down twice and won at least 8 rounds from him.. Golovkin completely dominated Murray and floored him for the only 3 times in his life and stopped him for the only stoppage of his life. It's what GGG did to guys like Lemieux and Murray that causes the best middleweights not to fight him.

de valle put him down and roy got up. where is the problem, everybody touched canvas, rigondeaux did, floyd during his prime had his hands on the ground against judah, prime muhammad ali touched the ground vs the german dude, where is the problem touching the ground?

ggg is top, no one is denieing it, he is very good. but roy is top of the top, he is absolutly phenomenol, that aint ggg, as much as i like ggg.

[Kalan]

moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters ... de valle put him down and roy got up. where is the problem, everybody touched canvas

Sticking and moving wouldn't work because GGG has a better jab than Roy and he's a much better attacker... The problem is De Valle couldn't punch and he put Roy down. When GGG puts Roy down he keeps him down like Tarver and Glen did ... BOTH Roy and Glen were OLDER than Roy and they FLATTENED him.

[Kalan]

I meant " BOTH Tarver and Glen were OLDER than Roy and they FLATTENED him"

[Chepppaaa]

moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters ... de valle put him down and roy got up. where is the problem, everybody touched canvas

Sticking and moving wouldn't work because GGG has a better jab than Roy and he's a much better attacker... The problem is De Valle couldn't punch and he put Roy down. When GGG puts Roy down he keeps him down like Tarver and Glen did ... BOTH Roy and Glen were OLDER than Roy and they FLATTENED him.

toney, pazienza, mc callum were all good puncher and couldnt do shit against roy, even they ve had more power, they simply didnt touch the guy, ggg would also not touch him.

first check out boxrec before you talk nonsense, you say de valle couldnt punch, well he kod his last 3 opponents before facing roy, mad a fact he kod most of his opponents before the jones fight, so he must have had some kind of power.

i understand that your are blinded by being a fan of ggg, i like ggg also, he brings the most action in boxing right now, but reality has to stay reality. and if you dont want to understand that roy was well past his prime when he fought johnson and tarver and would have normaly beaten them, than it is your problem.

[jezzamundo]

roy was past it ater ruiz.

stop your ggg nonsense, dude is very good, but against b level boxers and tomato cans, ggg would lose rounds would there be guys like abraham, pavlik or sergio at middleeight.

you talk to much, the end result is that you dont talk about the subject and that is who got least hit in prime.

I'm not going to say I think GGG beats RJJ, I really don't know, it's a fight that I genuinely would love to see, Roy was an amateur sensation, as was GGG. GGG has reduced fighters that were regarded as top middleweights into "b level fighters" in a matter of a few rounds, Roy has done the same. It's a classic American style vs the Russian style, Roy's reflexes and speed vs Golovkin's CHB and footwork/ringcraft (Roy has never fought any one at middle with the same ability), Golovkin's defence versus Jones Jr's very different defence, forget any Golovkin hate or nostalgia for Jones Jr. and you can see this has the makings of a classic.

use your boxing sense.

if you get in the ring with a prime ggg, what do you do?

first question is, gameplan, moving, stick the jab, move in, move out. quick combos or counters, but always in a heart beat from distance, no engaging in a battle, or you got hagler kind of power and can bang it out with ggg.

the most important question than is, do you have the technicle and athletic ability to do, what your gameplan is asking you to do.

and here comes roy, the most athletic, the fastest boxer ever, with close to the power ggg has. now tell me, what would happen.

I actually disagree that this is the best gameplan to deal with GGG. From what I've seen of him, GGG is more vulnerable and out of his depth in close and when being pushed back and hit to the body. Admittedly, GGG has never been in with an outside fighter of the quality of a prime Roy Jones, but his footwork and ability to cut off the ring is superb. Couple that with his excellent jaw and willingness to take a punch to land one and GGG is a nightmare for any outside fighter. I see guys like a prime middleweight Hopkins and Hagler giving GGG a very hard time and possibly beating him due to their toughness, faster hands and inside fighting ability.

[SenorPipino]

de valle put him down and roy got up. where is the problem, everybody touched canvas, rigondeaux did, floyd during his prime had his hands on the ground against judah, prime muhammad ali touched the ground vs the german dude, where is the problem touching the ground?

ggg is top, no one is denieing it, he is very good. but roy is top of the top, he is absolutly phenomenol, that aint ggg, as much as i like ggg.

Who exactly is this "German dude" (quaint way of putting it) that had Ali down?

Mildenberger? Don't recall any knockdown of Ali there. It's not in the record books.

And Floyd was officially dropped by Judah? Also not in the record books.

His gloves did hit the canvas against Carlos Hernandez (maybe. A replay was inconclusive) and a knockdown was scored against him, but no knockdown scored by Judah.

You're right. Knockdowns don't mean everything. If so, JM Marquez would be dismissed as a tomato can. But don't attribute knockdowns to great fighters when they didn't exist.

[Chepppaaa]

de valle put him down and roy got up. where is the problem, everybody touched canvas, rigondeaux did, floyd during his prime had his hands on the ground against judah, prime muhammad ali touched the ground vs the german dude, where is the problem touching the ground?

ggg is top, no one is denieing it, he is very good. but roy is top of the top, he is absolutly phenomenol, that aint ggg, as much as i like ggg.

Who exactly is this "German dude" (quaint way of putting it) that had Ali down?

Mildenberger? Don't recall any knockdown of Ali there. It's not in the record books.

And Floyd was officially dropped by Judah? Also not in the record books.

His gloves did hit the canvas against Carlos Hernandez (maybe. A replay was inconclusive) and a knockdown was scored against him, but no knockdown scored by Judah.

You're right. Knockdowns don't mean everything. If so, JM Marquez would be dismissed as a tomato can. But don't attribute knockdowns to great fighters when they didn't exist.

you a newbie?