World Boxing Association President Gilberto Mendoza has informed World Boxing News that the result of Ruslan Chagaev's loss to Lucas Browne is set to be scratched from his record.
"As per the WBA doping rules, the result of Chagaev v Browne shall be changed to a NC (no contest)," Mendoza said.
"The loser, Chagaev in this case, if negative - will be reinstated to his previously recognized position prior to the bout."
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/05/ ... no-contest
Meanwhile Lucas Browne and his attorney Leon Margules will take on the WBA in court on July 21 in Washington.
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/art ... -july-21st
Chagaev's loss to Browne becomes a NC. But Browne's day in court is July 21
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No problem removing the title if WBA withdraws recognition, leaving Chagaev as titlist, but strongly object Boxrec changing decision to NC
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Hard to see the court action being successful unless they have something up their sleeve we don't know about.
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They will press the WBA to state that they believe Browne is innocent, Will they do it? Most likely not, Browne will want the result to remain a W so he can receive his purseLike a Boss wrote:Hard to see the court action being successful unless they have something up their sleeve we don't know about.
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Will be interesting to see how the WBA treat Felix Sturm, Sturm has made the WBA a tonne of money, be interesting to see if the WBA treat both cases any differently
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Isn't Russki's superior drug testing good enough ??Like a Boss wrote:Hard to see the court action being successful unless they have something up their sleeve we don't know about.
Upcoming Olypics proves it 
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Browne opted for VADA testing in the lead-up to the fight and was tested pre and post fight by VADA.AntonS wrote:Isn't Russki's superior drug testing good enough ??Like a Boss wrote:Hard to see the court action being successful unless they have something up their sleeve we don't know about.
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After the Oquendo saga can see why he went with VADALike a Boss wrote:Browne opted for VADA testing in the lead-up to the fight and was tested pre and post fight by VADA.AntonS wrote:Isn't Russki's superior drug testing good enough ??Like a Boss wrote:Hard to see the court action being successful unless they have something up their sleeve we don't know about.
Was testing compulsory ? Chagaev was already at a disadvantage with his Hepatitis
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Not sure if testing was compulsory. But after the Oquendo saga Browne was obviously keen to avoid a repeat and thought the best approach would be to request VADA.GhostBoxing15 wrote:After the Oquendo saga can see why he went with VADALike a Boss wrote:Browne opted for VADA testing in the lead-up to the fight and was tested pre and post fight by VADA.AntonS wrote:Isn't Russki's superior drug testing good enough ??
Was testing compulsory ? Chagaev was already at a disadvantage with his Hepatitis
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International boxing fight playing out in Pierce County court
BY ALEXIS KRELL [email protected]
The boxing match for one of the world’s heavyweight champion titles was fought in Russia. The newly crowned champ lives in Australia. The boxing association that later stripped Lucas “Big Daddy” Browne of the title after a positive drug test has an office in Panama. The lawsuit to settle the legal bout is being heard in Pierce County. Our Pierce County.
And there are a couple of more ingredients in this geographic stew: the drug testing was done in Los Angeles, and the losing boxer was from Uzbekistan. Browne tested clean for drugs days before the March 5 fight in which he knocked out World Boxing Association defending champion Ruslan Chagaev. But a post-fight test showed his system contained clenbuterol, a substance the association has banned, and that led to Browne losing his title.
According to the boxer’s lawsuit, filed last month in Superior Court, athletes use the drug to simultaneously lose weight and maintain strength. Others use it to treat livestock in Russia and other countries. In his suit, Browne denies he intentionally ingested the drug. The matter is being heard in Pierce County, because the WBA’s rules state that’s where all its litigation must be filed.
Michael E. McAleenan, a lawyer with Tacoma’s Smith Alling law firm, represents the WBA. He said doing its legal business in Pierce County has to do with logistics. “(The WBA is) a private organization that is a nonprofit,” he said. “You simply will not survive if every time someone has a dispute with you, they can turn around and sue you anywhere all over the world.
“We had some issues associated with that in the past, and said: ‘OK, fine. We’re going to change our rules. We’re going to pick one location where, if there’s going to be litigation and suit is filed, it’s going to be in Pierce County.’
Brooke Coleman, a law professor at Seattle University with no relation to the case, said it’s not unusual for an organization to require that its litigation be handled in a specific place. “That’s incredibly common,” she said. “The Supreme Court approved that, because among other reasons, it just makes it easier to conduct business.”
In the WBA’s case, Smith Alling did work for the association as a government affairs lobbying group. That relationship turned into doing the association’s legal work, as well, McAleenan said, after which it made sense to make Pierce County the home base for litigation.
When it comes to Browne’s suit, McAleenan said: “The prior champion, Chagaev, lost a bout to a guy that had participated with a prohibited substance in his system. How is it fair to that boxer to not take action? ... If you want to fight for our title, you have to follow our rules.”
In addition, the WBA’s rules state that Browne needed to go through internal procedures for handling disputes before filing a lawsuit, McAleenan said. Browne’s attorney, Tyler Firkins, said the boxer would have needed to pay thousands to appeal the WBA’s decision, which would have been considered by a panel of WBA members. “The WBA rarely reconsiders its disciplinary resolutions and an appeal through this channel would be futile,” the lawsuit said.
As for the positive drug test, a steak containing clenbuterol might have caused it, Browne contends. Most of the food at a dinner celebration the night before the fight was shared, but a large cut of meat was specifically for him. “The whole thing stinks to high heaven,” Firkins said.
The suit talks about possible poisoning, but Firkins acknowledged it’s not clear whether someone intentionally gave Browne the drug in the steak or otherwise, or if it was accidental. An expert Browne hired said the amount of clenbuterol in the boxer’s system was very small, such as what would be found in a single dose, and would not have benefited Browne during the fight.
“To get its positive effects, you’d have to take it for a minimum of 30 days,” Firkins said. “It’s pretty clear that Lucas Browne didn’t take clenbuterol voluntarily, and that he should not have his heavyweight title stripped for this reason.” And even had he taken the weight-loss drug over a longer period of time, it wouldn’t have made sense, the suit states.
“Mr. Browne is a heavyweight fighter,” it notes. “It is wholly unnecessary and counterproductive to try to lose weight before a heavyweight match.” Also, Browne argues he was the one who demanded testing in the first place, and therefore wouldn’t have knowingly done anything to jeopardize getting a negative result.
Plus other organizations, such as the World Boxing Council, have cleared athletes who tested positive for clenbuterol after eating animals treated with it, the suit said. ESPN.com reported the WBA wrote in its ruling: “Browne participated in the bout with a prohibited substance in his system, and regardless of any arguments to the contrary, athletes do not always act rationally or logically when it comes to striving for that competitive edge in competition, whether real or merely perceived. ... The boxer and his representatives are ultimately responsible for what the boxer ingests."
Browne, who would have been Australia’s first heavyweight champion, suffered financially when he was stripped of the title. “It’s millions of dollars,” Firkins said. “Not only would Lucas have been up to having a fight against (challenger) Fres Oquendo, probably in Sydney, Australia, his end of it would have been seven figures.
“Now, since he’s stripped of both his title and his ranking, that means he goes back to fighting for $30,000 a fight, or something along those lines.” And he said Browne has lost potentially seven figures in endorsements, as well. “No corporations are really going to be big on having a fighter who has been suspended for using supposed performance-enhancing drugs as their spokesperson,” he said.
BY ALEXIS KRELL [email protected]
The boxing match for one of the world’s heavyweight champion titles was fought in Russia. The newly crowned champ lives in Australia. The boxing association that later stripped Lucas “Big Daddy” Browne of the title after a positive drug test has an office in Panama. The lawsuit to settle the legal bout is being heard in Pierce County. Our Pierce County.
And there are a couple of more ingredients in this geographic stew: the drug testing was done in Los Angeles, and the losing boxer was from Uzbekistan. Browne tested clean for drugs days before the March 5 fight in which he knocked out World Boxing Association defending champion Ruslan Chagaev. But a post-fight test showed his system contained clenbuterol, a substance the association has banned, and that led to Browne losing his title.
According to the boxer’s lawsuit, filed last month in Superior Court, athletes use the drug to simultaneously lose weight and maintain strength. Others use it to treat livestock in Russia and other countries. In his suit, Browne denies he intentionally ingested the drug. The matter is being heard in Pierce County, because the WBA’s rules state that’s where all its litigation must be filed.
Michael E. McAleenan, a lawyer with Tacoma’s Smith Alling law firm, represents the WBA. He said doing its legal business in Pierce County has to do with logistics. “(The WBA is) a private organization that is a nonprofit,” he said. “You simply will not survive if every time someone has a dispute with you, they can turn around and sue you anywhere all over the world.
“We had some issues associated with that in the past, and said: ‘OK, fine. We’re going to change our rules. We’re going to pick one location where, if there’s going to be litigation and suit is filed, it’s going to be in Pierce County.’
Brooke Coleman, a law professor at Seattle University with no relation to the case, said it’s not unusual for an organization to require that its litigation be handled in a specific place. “That’s incredibly common,” she said. “The Supreme Court approved that, because among other reasons, it just makes it easier to conduct business.”
In the WBA’s case, Smith Alling did work for the association as a government affairs lobbying group. That relationship turned into doing the association’s legal work, as well, McAleenan said, after which it made sense to make Pierce County the home base for litigation.
When it comes to Browne’s suit, McAleenan said: “The prior champion, Chagaev, lost a bout to a guy that had participated with a prohibited substance in his system. How is it fair to that boxer to not take action? ... If you want to fight for our title, you have to follow our rules.”
In addition, the WBA’s rules state that Browne needed to go through internal procedures for handling disputes before filing a lawsuit, McAleenan said. Browne’s attorney, Tyler Firkins, said the boxer would have needed to pay thousands to appeal the WBA’s decision, which would have been considered by a panel of WBA members. “The WBA rarely reconsiders its disciplinary resolutions and an appeal through this channel would be futile,” the lawsuit said.
As for the positive drug test, a steak containing clenbuterol might have caused it, Browne contends. Most of the food at a dinner celebration the night before the fight was shared, but a large cut of meat was specifically for him. “The whole thing stinks to high heaven,” Firkins said.
The suit talks about possible poisoning, but Firkins acknowledged it’s not clear whether someone intentionally gave Browne the drug in the steak or otherwise, or if it was accidental. An expert Browne hired said the amount of clenbuterol in the boxer’s system was very small, such as what would be found in a single dose, and would not have benefited Browne during the fight.
“To get its positive effects, you’d have to take it for a minimum of 30 days,” Firkins said. “It’s pretty clear that Lucas Browne didn’t take clenbuterol voluntarily, and that he should not have his heavyweight title stripped for this reason.” And even had he taken the weight-loss drug over a longer period of time, it wouldn’t have made sense, the suit states.
“Mr. Browne is a heavyweight fighter,” it notes. “It is wholly unnecessary and counterproductive to try to lose weight before a heavyweight match.” Also, Browne argues he was the one who demanded testing in the first place, and therefore wouldn’t have knowingly done anything to jeopardize getting a negative result.
Plus other organizations, such as the World Boxing Council, have cleared athletes who tested positive for clenbuterol after eating animals treated with it, the suit said. ESPN.com reported the WBA wrote in its ruling: “Browne participated in the bout with a prohibited substance in his system, and regardless of any arguments to the contrary, athletes do not always act rationally or logically when it comes to striving for that competitive edge in competition, whether real or merely perceived. ... The boxer and his representatives are ultimately responsible for what the boxer ingests."
Browne, who would have been Australia’s first heavyweight champion, suffered financially when he was stripped of the title. “It’s millions of dollars,” Firkins said. “Not only would Lucas have been up to having a fight against (challenger) Fres Oquendo, probably in Sydney, Australia, his end of it would have been seven figures.
“Now, since he’s stripped of both his title and his ranking, that means he goes back to fighting for $30,000 a fight, or something along those lines.” And he said Browne has lost potentially seven figures in endorsements, as well. “No corporations are really going to be big on having a fighter who has been suspended for using supposed performance-enhancing drugs as their spokesperson,” he said.
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Like most Aussies I'd like to see a favourable outcome in this for Lucas Browne. But it is hard to see a court being swayed by what amounts to mainly hearsay. The only thing Browne has on his side is the initial clear test and logic. Not sure they will go far in a courtroom?Ipswich Express wrote:International boxing fight playing out in Pierce County court
BY ALEXIS KRELL [email protected]
The boxing match for one of the world’s heavyweight champion titles was fought in Russia. The newly crowned champ lives in Australia. The boxing association that later stripped Lucas “Big Daddy” Browne of the title after a positive drug test has an office in Panama. The lawsuit to settle the legal bout is being heard in Pierce County. Our Pierce County........
What's your prediction on how it might play out?
Re: Chagaev's loss to Browne becomes a NC. But Browne's day in court is July 21
“(The WBA is) a private organization that is a nonprofit,” What a load of bullshit
What a load of bullshitRe: Chagaev's loss to Browne becomes a NC. But Browne's day in court is July 21
The statement that jumps right out of that article is: "In addition, the WBA’s rules state that Browne needed to go through internal procedures for handling disputes before filing a lawsuit,"
So in defense of a boxer who has failed a drug test, this lawyer just wants to bypass the rules of the WBA?
Don't courts typically uphold the established rules?
When the Browne camp decided to work with the WBA did they not agree to play by the WBA rules while working with them?
The fact that the WBA "rarely reconsiders its disciplinary resolutions" doesn't mean that they will not in this particular case.
The court could rule that the Browne camp has to actually follow the rules and go through the appeal process before proceeding any further in court(that's my prediction).
I'm not going to pretend I have sat down and read the WBA rule book but if I decided to do that I suspect I would find a statement that says the WBA at their discretion can withhold or withdraw title recognition for any boxer that has failed to follow ALL the rules of the WBA.
I don't see the success path here.
Browne does not have his belt because a rule was broken(specifically: banned substance in his body). Intentional disregard for another rule doesn't seem to be the way to get that belt back.
So in defense of a boxer who has failed a drug test, this lawyer just wants to bypass the rules of the WBA?
Don't courts typically uphold the established rules?
When the Browne camp decided to work with the WBA did they not agree to play by the WBA rules while working with them?
The fact that the WBA "rarely reconsiders its disciplinary resolutions" doesn't mean that they will not in this particular case.
The court could rule that the Browne camp has to actually follow the rules and go through the appeal process before proceeding any further in court(that's my prediction).
I'm not going to pretend I have sat down and read the WBA rule book but if I decided to do that I suspect I would find a statement that says the WBA at their discretion can withhold or withdraw title recognition for any boxer that has failed to follow ALL the rules of the WBA.
I don't see the success path here.
Browne does not have his belt because a rule was broken(specifically: banned substance in his body). Intentional disregard for another rule doesn't seem to be the way to get that belt back.