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Barthelemy until he officially moves up and fights at LWW.

Once he does the division number 1 will be the winner of Crolla-Linares.

PredatorHayds wrote:Barthelemy until he officially moves up and fights at LWW.

Once he does the division number 1 will be the winner of Crolla-Linares.

Agree but I think Zlaticanin could have a claim to being the best if Rances moves up but Crolla-Linares winner will deserve that spot.

verdejao and rance need to fight in order to determin who truly #1 is.

id favour verde

Chepppaaa wrote:verdejao and rance need to fight in order to determin who truly #1 is.

id favour verde

Verdejo hasn't even fought a top 100 lightweight and has still struggled with his comp.

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:verdejao and rance need to fight in order to determin who truly #1 is.

id favour verde

Verdejo hasn't even fought a top 100 lightweight and has still struggled with his comp.

was has your record to do with your ability? broner has a better record than spence, so therefore broner would beat spence

inoue only has 10 fights and therefore he cant be the best in his division?

struggled with his opponents, yeah he tkod 15 out of 22, thats struggling

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:verdejao and rance need to fight in order to determin who truly #1 is.

id favour verde

Verdejo hasn't even fought a top 100 lightweight and has still struggled with his comp.

was has your record to do with your ability? broner has a better record than spence, so therefore broner would beat spence

inoue only has 10 fights and therefore he cant be the best in his division?

struggled with his opponents, yeah he tkod 15 out of 22, thats struggling

How can a guy fighting 8 rounders be the best in the division. He no resume but the best in the division every guy you mentioned has fought AND BEAT
world class guys even Inoue. Ability doesn't equate to being the best if it hasn't be proved. 15 KO's vs 22 bums is struggling watch his last five fights he regressed and there talking about fighting Jose Felix a former contender at 130 as a step up and you say him fighting Rances for the #1 spot

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:


Verdejo hasn't even fought a top 100 lightweight and has still struggled with his comp.

was has your record to do with your ability? broner has a better record than spence, so therefore broner would beat spence

inoue only has 10 fights and therefore he cant be the best in his division?

struggled with his opponents, yeah he tkod 15 out of 22, thats struggling

How can a guy fighting 8 rounders be the best in the division. He no resume but the best in the division every guy you mentioned has fought AND BEAT
world class guys even Inoue. Ability doesn't equate to being the best if it hasn't be proved. 15 KO's vs 22 bums is struggling watch his last five fights he regressed and there talking about fighting Jose Felix a former contender at 130 as a step up and you say him fighting Rances for the #1 spot

verd fought martinez, a top 50 boxer and beat him easily. tko 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCW1TXzv1Q

where is all the struggling, i see a guy beating a guy, raising his arms, with litle to no marks in his face?

so young floyd struggled against a guy with 16 losses and thats why floyd aint good. dude, everybody struggles at some time.

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

was has your record to do with your ability? broner has a better record than spence, so therefore broner would beat spence

inoue only has 10 fights and therefore he cant be the best in his division?

struggled with his opponents, yeah he tkod 15 out of 22, thats struggling

How can a guy fighting 8 rounders be the best in the division. He no resume but the best in the division every guy you mentioned has fought AND BEAT
world class guys even Inoue. Ability doesn't equate to being the best if it hasn't be proved. 15 KO's vs 22 bums is struggling watch his last five fights he regressed and there talking about fighting Jose Felix a former contender at 130 as a step up and you say him fighting Rances for the #1 spot

verd fought martinez, a top 50 boxer and beat him easily. tko 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCW1TXzv1Q

where is all the struggling, i see a guy beating a guy, raising his arms, with litle to no marks in his face?

so young floyd struggled against a guy with 16 losses and thats why floyd aint good. dude, everybody struggles at some time.

Emmanuel Augustus is a much better level that Martinez. It's like 1000 Martinez out their insert any of them in that fight because Martinez was no where near top 50. Not boxrec top 50 but reality. You never heard of that guy neither have I no way he's a top 50 GTFOH with that. Just because you got a stoppage doesn't mean he didn't struggle I saw the fight. He look so bad HBO shun him back to unimas. HBO who's looking for the stars basically told him you not ready to carry the PR flag yet thus Rocky Martinez headed the yearly PR card. Why guys like Commey, Easter making waves this dude is fighting 8 round nobodies and that's cool but your hype of him being fighting to be best lightweight RIGHT NOW is a joke.

yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

Chepppaaa wrote:yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

GTFOH look at Augustus fought Mickey Ward, Floyd, Ray Oliveria, David Diaz, Levander Johnson, Ivan Robinson, Jesus Chaves you see those names and there's plenty more to name that were former world champs where's the names on Martinez losses. You Expert because people telling you Verdejo the next thing he so much a contender where's he ranked top 10 but you think he the best really maybe in 2018 but not right now. People tell you he the goods so you believe it.

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

GTFOH look at Augustus fought Mickey Ward, Floyd, Ray Oliveria, David Diaz, Levander Johnson, Ivan Robinson, Jesus Chaves you see those names and there's plenty more to name that were former world champs where's the names on Martinez losses. You Expert because people telling you Verdejo the next thing he so much a contender where's he ranked top 10 but you think he the best really maybe in 2018 but not right now. People tell you he the goods so you believe it.

i see that he is athletic and got some skills, thats why i think h ll do good. i go but what i see. you, you need rankings and records to judge and judgemant from hbo to know who is good on who not.

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

GTFOH look at Augustus fought Mickey Ward, Floyd, Ray Oliveria, David Diaz, Levander Johnson, Ivan Robinson, Jesus Chaves you see those names and there's plenty more to name that were former world champs where's the names on Martinez losses. You Expert because people telling you Verdejo the next thing he so much a contender where's he ranked top 10 but you think he the best really maybe in 2018 but not right now. People tell you he the goods so you believe it.

i see that he is athletic and got some skills, thats why i think h ll do good. i go but what i see. you, you need rankings and records to judge and judgemant from hbo to know who is good on who not.

records matter more than ability. You can have all the ability in the world if you don't use it against good fighters which has YET to do how the F*** he suppose to be considered to be a top 2 lightweight if you're haven't fought a top 100 guy no matter what the ability is.

Chepppaaa wrote:yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

You're not an expert, and world ranked's judgment is definitely better than yours.

Rances Barthelemy is #1 by quite a humongous margin. Flanagan is likely #2, but I'd like to see him prove that against someone like Bey or Shafikov. After September, the winner of Crolla - Linares could rightfully be ranked ahead of Flanagan.

Dejan Zlaticanin is the most talented Lightweight out there right now IMO.

As for a conversation that was being had earlier. So far Barthelemy has impressed me a great deal more than Verdejo has, and if they were to fight each other next I'd pick Barthelemy by clear decision.

gilgamesh wrote:Dejan Zlaticanin is the most talented Lightweight out there right now IMO.

As for a conversation that was being had earlier. So far Barthelemy has impressed me a great deal more than Verdejo has, and if they were to fight each other next I'd pick Barthelemy by clear decision.

Do you agree that its to early to suggest Verdejo should be mentioned with those guys?

world ranked wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Dejan Zlaticanin is the most talented Lightweight out there right now IMO.

As for a conversation that was being had earlier. So far Barthelemy has impressed me a great deal more than Verdejo has, and if they were to fight each other next I'd pick Barthelemy by clear decision.

Do you agree that its to early to suggest Verdejo should be mentioned with those guys?

Yes. He hasn't impressed me all that much when I've seen him, and his last 3 or 4 fights have all been against the same type of fighter. Crude brawlers who come forward, but aren't difficult to hit, and aren't especially creative with their offense. Unfortunately for him, none of the guys that fight like that are waiting for him at the top.

Lackeos wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

You're not an expert, and world ranked's judgment is definitely better than yours.

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Chepppaaa wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:yeah agustus was 100000 times better than martinez, thats why he had 16 losses

verdejao beats rances, from an expert to an non expert

You're not an expert, and world ranked's judgment is definitely better than yours.

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says everyone but you

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

Lackeos wrote: You're not an expert, and world ranked's judgment is definitely better than yours.

says lackeos

says everyone but you

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