gatti v dorin bbc2 12:15 tonight

beduff · Post by **beduff** » 25 Jul 2004, 19:14

its on in 10 minutes lads.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 25 Jul 2004, 19:47

Hatton would have been proud of that body punch!

beduff · Post by **beduff** » 25 Jul 2004, 19:55

hatton v gatti :P

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 Jul 2004, 05:18

Gatti looked about 4 weights bigger! They have to do something about that.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 26 Jul 2004, 05:31

Put him in with Hatton - they both weigh nearer Light Middle by fight night.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 26 Jul 2004, 05:47

Anyone else see the Ricky Hatton interview? He came across very well and Inverdale and Bunce didn't hold back with their questions.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 26 Jul 2004, 05:49

Please tell us more. I fell a sleep. Reading Gazza's autobiography watching Big Brother will do this to you. And missed the show.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 26 Jul 2004, 06:08

I didn't think Gatti looked that much bigger than Dorin.

Bloody hell though Arturo's eyes look closed before the fight even starts these days. He could pass for Chinese.

I thought the BBC show was good. "Ricky" Woodhall didn't have a lot to say but it was nice to see Amir Khan in the studio. He seems to be coping well with the attention. Goowone lad.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 26 Jul 2004, 06:29

Of course, it was easy to predict the outcomes of the two undercards fights. Bojado v Leija starts in the 7th, so is obviously going the distance, while we get all the introductions for Guinn v Jackson which would suggest a very early finish.

Jackson was terrible - I like the way he has the awareness to put both arms out to break his fall, but when the referee starts counting suddenly he can't even lift his head off the canvas. Hilarious stuff.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Jul 2004, 06:58

Gatti did not look 4 weights bigger at all. What a load of bollocks. He was taller and rangier. Dorin was stockier and broader across the back, that's all. Dorin also had bigger legs. Both men came in under the weight limit.

Buncey did actually do a good job I think, he put Ricky on the spot, asking him what is going to happen if the fight falls through, which is what a lot of people are wondering. As we all know 10 weeks is a long time in boxing, and Hatton and Harris obviously have the ability to wreck the fight due to money demands.

I am optimistic that something can be worked out here. However, if Hatton pulls out due to money quibbles, I find it hard to see where he goes. Harris was his route in, if he wins against Harris, then the big fights come, otherwise why would Mayweather, Gatti etc fight him. A fight with Mitchell has come and gone, and Sharmba gets first crack at aged Tszyu, who could be finished.

Interesting that Gatti mentioned Spadafora, and lest we forget, Dorin is a light hitting lightweight, what would we have said if Hatton had faced Dorin?

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 26 Jul 2004, 07:05

Interesting points here James.

I think Larry Merchant alluded to Gatti's schedule way back when he interviewed Mayweather after the Corley fight. Mayweather wanted Gatti next but Merchant said then Gatti wanted Spadafora after Dorin before any Mayweather fight.

I think this is because he wants some easier pay days before Mayweather who is clearly a mega-fight but also a loseable fight. And Spadafora makes sense to Gatti for all the reasons I thought he made sense for Hatton.

I've worried about whether this fight would come to fruition from the outset, and I've maintained that a Hatton v N'Dou fight is a very plausible contingency.

The tv dates is the real bone of contention and the fight will live or die on whether the two networks can agree to the 2nd.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Jul 2004, 07:05

Gatti showed something which Hatton could really do with learning, variety in his work. One area where Hatton really needs to improve if he is to be able to stop the top flight fighters, is shot selection. He tends to either work the head or body, he doesn't tend to switch very well. His head shots don't seem that effective, but they could be used to bring up the guard as Gatti did, and then work downstairs.

Hatton tends to pin his opponent on the ropes and whale away to the ribs and try to batter their arms down. This was evident against Vilches, who was able to frustrate Hatton quite easily by anticipating where the shots were coming from. Hatton's KO rate has declined as he has moved up in class, and unless he shows more variety, I think he will struggle to stop the top fighters in the division.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 26 Jul 2004, 07:09

I disagree to a point on your critique of Hatton, I actually he switches very well with his left hand to body and head. My issue with him has always been his lead left which I feel is slow and he pulls back slowly. I think this causes him problems against a fighter with right hand power and speed, i.e. Harris, Witter etc.

And why I was so impressed with his performance versus Phillips when negated this money shot. But Phillips was older and less fresh, though he returned with a Wleterweight win last weekend.

Its the shot Magee caught him with, the right hand counter to a slow left lead. I'm sure this flaw is less clear than it used to be. I also contend that judging Hatton on the Vilches fight is a little harsh. He was clearly ill-prepared and under-motivated. Whether you buy this as a justifiable point is subjective of course, but the fact remains he was WAY below par.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 26 Jul 2004, 07:20

Personally I don't believe Hatton could stop Dorin no matter where he hit him.

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 26 Jul 2004, 07:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Gatti showed something which Hatton could really do with learning, variety in his work. One area where Hatton really needs to improve if he is to be able to stop the top flight fighters, is shot selection. He tends to either work the head or body, he doesn't tend to switch very well. His head shots don't seem that effective, but they could be used to bring up the guard as Gatti did, and then work downstairs.

Hatton tends to pin his opponent on the ropes and whale away to the ribs and try to batter their arms down. This was evident against Vilches, who was able to frustrate Hatton quite easily by anticipating where the shots were coming from. Hatton's KO rate has declined as he has moved up in class, and unless he shows more variety, I think he will struggle to stop the top fighters in the division.

Hatton creates a "variety" of angles by using his feet - much more than Gatti - I also remember him mixing up his combo's to head and body alot against Tackie.

Exile · Post by **Exile** » 26 Jul 2004, 08:29

After a heavy weekend on the piss i managed to make it just past the introductions - next thing i know its 3am and ive missed all the action :x Why do the bbc insist on showing the majority of their big fights so F'n late on a sunday night.

What happened in the Hatton interview? any tough questions? how did he come across as he doesnt get hardly any council tv coverage apart from the odd mention at a witter fight. Did JJ Leija look any good against Bojado and would he pose Hatton any difficultys, have never seen him in action.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 26 Jul 2004, 08:36

Leija was pretty amazing. At 38 years of age and after such a long hard career it's fantastic to see him in such great condition and still showing speed and accuracy. Hatton would be a sizeable favourite against him but a walk in the park it certainly would not be.

As for the interview - pretty standard stuff really. Hatton came across a bit thick, Inverdale kept trying to get something out of him regarding Warren which was never going to happen. At least the Beeb try to be a bit controversial though unlike those plastic crettins on Sky.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 26 Jul 2004, 08:50

I thought the last fight was a fix. Jackson went down looked up and saw the ref count and went back down.

Crappy BBC showing the Haye - thompson fight on grandstand. they should show this fight live.

Gatti did well and i cant wait to see him in the ring against Mayweather.

Goodluck to khan.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 26 Jul 2004, 08:57

The coverage of the Bojado fight was a joke. There was NO MENTION what so ever of the knockdown in the 2nd round. You got the impression that Niely and McKenzie only saw those last few rounds as it was shown.

the chat to ricky made me laugh. He's a nightmare to interview on the phone, cos he goes on for so long waffling lol, Inverdale had a little problem with that.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 Jul 2004, 09:04

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Gatti showed something which Hatton could really do with learning, variety in his work. One area where Hatton really needs to improve if he is to be able to stop the top flight fighters, is shot selection. He tends to either work the head or body, he doesn't tend to switch very well. His head shots don't seem that effective, but they could be used to bring up the guard as Gatti did, and then work downstairs.

Hatton tends to pin his opponent on the ropes and whale away to the ribs and try to batter their arms down. This was evident against Vilches, who was able to frustrate Hatton quite easily by anticipating where the shots were coming from. Hatton's KO rate has declined as he has moved up in class, and unless he shows more variety, I think he will struggle to stop the top fighters in the division.

OK a bit of an exaggeration on my part but he did look bigger. It's no secret Gatti comes in way over 140 and Dorin being a blown up lightweight probably a lot closer to 140 fight time.

Not taking anything away from Gatti though, just a comment. If anyone was due an easy night its him.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Jul 2004, 09:05

I haven't seen Hatton work the angles that well lately. I think perhaps he is losing something as he becomes a more cautious boxer.

Dave, agreed with regard to Vilches, yes he was below par, certainly, whether it was poor training or demontivation or both, however, I would have hoped he would have been able to winkle Vilches out of his shell.

Ricky doesn't throw combinations as well as Gatti, certainly not to the head at any rate, his body punching is faster than Gatti's, but he tends to throw 3-4 punches at a time before switching. I would also like to see Hatton work on developing more power in his short straight punches. He has an excellent jab when he uses it, and it's a jolting shot, I'd like to see more straight rights to compliment the left hook he doubles up on, which doesn't seem to have that much power in it.

However, perhaps Hatton will raise his game when the time comes,I just hope it is coming soon.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 26 Jul 2004, 10:11

DavidPayne wrote:Please tell us more. I fell a sleep. Reading Gazza's autobiography watching Big Brother will do this to you. And missed the show.

In summary, Inverdale asked him whether the fight with Harris would have come to fruition had he (Hatton) not pressured Warren into making tougher matches. Hatton suggested (I think) that it may not have done. Hatton went on to say he wanted fights like these while he was at his peak.

The Bunce question was as James McDonnell answered above.

It may seem standard qu and ans session but it was good to hear it in person.

Hatton also thanked Warren for the way his career has been handled up to now. Hopefully this fight will come off.

The interview has changed my opinion on Hatton and Warren as I have been a little harsh in the past. From Warren's point of view he needs to look after his star but also the fans and Hatton's requirements - it can't be an easy job balancing the three and whose to say they wouldn't be the same. He'll probably respect Hatton for standing up to him a little as well.

Exile · Post by **Exile** » 26 Jul 2004, 11:34

jamesmcdonnell wrote: However, perhaps Hatton will raise his game when the time comes,I just hope it is coming soon.

Hatton will raise his game when needed but he needs to continue fighting the big names after he beats Harris or he will miss the boat. In my opinion he only has around 18-24 months left before things start to go on a downward projectory due to his style of fighting. He is in his prime at the moment and needs to capitalise on it before its too late.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 26 Jul 2004, 11:36

Jim Neilly is so funny, he had obviously seen the reports of the Gatti-Dorin fight and kept on making informed comments like "Gatti should target the body", "Gatti is looking again for that body" and when he didn't even land "Dorin has his hands high trying to stop those body punches". Yeah Jim...you really saw it coming didn't you

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 26 Jul 2004, 11:44

90% of the time I can tolerate Jim Neilly. But when he comes out with pathetic statements like "That's the best body shot we've seen on either side of the Atlantic for a long long time" it really starts to grate. Yes it was a good shot but lets not pretend there aren't equally good punches thrown every week all around the world. Just because the Beeb don't show them (which means Neilly doesn't see them) it doesn't mean they don't happen.

Daft old git.