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Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 06 Sep 2016, 19:33
by Like a Boss
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Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 06 Sep 2016, 19:47
by Boxerbeetle
Fvck me - the WBA actually using common sense to reach a resolution. That's as close to an accusation of a boxer being spiked as you'll ever see, without actually coming out with the accusation.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 06 Sep 2016, 19:54
by Like a Boss
Boxerbeetle wrote:Fvck me - the WBA actually using common sense to reach a resolution. That's as close to an accusation of a boxer being spiked as you'll ever see, without actually coming out with the accusation.
Exactly :TU:

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 06 Sep 2016, 20:06
by broomy7s
Glad for Browne and you'll never guess who's behind FRES OQUENDO in the rankings.......

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 06 Sep 2016, 20:09
by Like a Boss
broomy7s wrote:Glad for Browne and you'll never guess who's behind FRES OQUENDO in the rankings.......
....and factor in 'E' above ;-)

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 06 Sep 2016, 20:56
by Like a Boss
In summary the WBA have:

Modified their prior decision regarding Lucas Browne.

Allowed Browne to retain his top 5 WBA rating.

Determined it is unlikely Browne intentionally or voluntarily consumed the Clenbuterol in a single, small dose in the days leading up to the bout.

Determined Browne would not have gained any advantage from the Clenbuterol consumed.

Reiterated the doubts about drugs and drug testing in Russia.

Determined the title is now vacant.

Determined that within 120 days Browne will fight Oquendo for the vacant title.

If for any reason Oquendo is unable to fight Browne, Browne will instead fight the leading, available contender for the vacant title.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 02:13
by mullenman
Is haye going to get a wba shot

It does not saying who's fighting for the title

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 03:16
by dookus
Better result for Browne than I expected. Who'd have thunk the WBA capable of something like due process?

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 03:29
by nitro5912
Does anyone know who the wba top 10 are?

A certain Mr hate isn't in the top 10 or just behind oquendo is he??

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 03:41
by freddydoesdallas
Seems like a very sensible resolution although still one that will mean some people will label Browne a drugs cheat as he's served a suspension. That should have been quashed.

Will this mean that the WBA will refuse to sanction fights in Russia for the time being?

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 05:38
by dsimpson
Why have the WBA said he should fight Quendo though? Isn't Luis Ortiz ranked higher? He was the interim champion before Browne wasn't he?

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 08:32
by Anzi
This has questioned the validity of drug testing and corruption within, similar to the Vada situation with Golden boy.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 15:04
by Bodyshot3
Pleased for Lucas and also (strangely) for the WBA for actually reviewing things in detail and scientifically...there is hope.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 15:10
by Boxerbeetle
freddydoesdallas wrote:Seems like a very sensible resolution although still one that will mean some people will label Browne a drugs cheat as he's served a suspension. That should have been quashed.

Will this mean that the WBA will refuse to sanction fights in Russia for the time being?
I suppose they can't really quash it without proof of foul play though? They've done the sensible thing imo.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 15:35
by freddydoesdallas
Boxerbeetle wrote:
freddydoesdallas wrote:Seems like a very sensible resolution although still one that will mean some people will label Browne a drugs cheat as he's served a suspension. That should have been quashed.

Will this mean that the WBA will refuse to sanction fights in Russia for the time being?
I suppose they can't really quash it without proof of foul play though? They've done the sensible thing imo.
I'd be pissed off if I was Browne. Lost my title, probably a fine, big money in defending the title and all this while the WBA are basically saying 'yeah you've been screwed'.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 23:08
by Like a Boss
dsimpson wrote:Why have the WBA said he should fight Quendo though? Isn't Luis Ortiz ranked higher? He was the interim champion before Browne wasn't he?
Oquendo won the right to mandatory status in court.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 23:09
by Like a Boss
mullenman wrote:Is haye going to get a wba shot

It does not saying who's fighting for the title
Browne and Oquendo are fighting for the title Chagaev used to hold.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 23:09
by Like a Boss
freddydoesdallas wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
freddydoesdallas wrote:Seems like a very sensible resolution although still one that will mean some people will label Browne a drugs cheat as he's served a suspension. That should have been quashed.

Will this mean that the WBA will refuse to sanction fights in Russia for the time being?
I suppose they can't really quash it without proof of foul play though? They've done the sensible thing imo.
I'd be pissed off if I was Browne. Lost my title, probably a fine, big money in defending the title and all this while the WBA are basically saying 'yeah you've been screwed'.
:OhYes:

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 23:14
by Wales
Has Oquendo ever beat, like, anyone?

Fact Fury is actually WBA champ makes it all even more laughable

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 23:18
by Like a Boss
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Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 00:12
by Wales
"Unlikely Browne intentionally ingested the drug clenbuterol as he would not have gained an advantage"

What a kop out by WBA
Firstly you either ingested clenbuterol or you didn't
Secondly clenbuterol gives you an advantage

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 00:17
by Like a Boss
Wales wrote:"Unlikely Browne intentionally ingested the drug clenbuterol as he would not have gained an advantage"

What a kop out by WBA
Firstly you either ingested clenbuterol or you didn't
Secondly clenbuterol gives you an advantage
The WBA sought expert opinion in the matter. Not the opinion of an anonymous forum poster.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 00:39
by Wales
Aye fair comment. Because clenbuterol won't give an athlete an advantage. Perhaps the the International Olympic Committee should use experts when deciding what to ban?

Contador was banned from cycling for 2 years for using it. Must've been an anonymous forum poster advising the IOC and world cycling organisation too.

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 00:43
by Like a Boss
Wales wrote:Aye fair comment. Because clenbuterol won't give an athlete an advantage. Perhaps the the International Olympic Committee should use experts when deciding what to ban?

Contador was banned from cycling for 2 years for using it. Must've been an anonymous forum poster advising the IOC and world cycling organisation too.
Go read the WBA finding properly :doh:

Re: Lucas Browne resolution released - WBA decision explained in full

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 00:57
by Wales
The actual WBA finding says

"It is unlikely Browne intentionally or voluntarily ingested clenbuterol in a single small dose in the days leading up to the fight as it would not have gained an advantage, especially in the heavyweight division "

Newspaper says "WBA says it's unlikely Browne intentionally digested the drug as he would not have gained an advantage "

Somehow the second quote is more sinister