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i see so many threads about the top heavyweight and its always "wilder is overrated", "the hype machine king kong"

yet all they do is win.

how is having a 97 % ko ratio overrated?

how is having a 343-19 amateur record and a 26 fights 0 losses pro record overrated?

yet some of you act like povetkin is the second coming of prime tyson

Wilder gets sh*t on for good reason. Even as a "Champion" he's still yet to defend against any Top 10 ranked contenders. The Top 10 Heavyweights need to stop pussyfooting around and fight each other already. I'm not too high on any of them right now.

who is on the top right now?

on boxrec,

browne, chisora, christian hammer , glazkov. this from 10-6

basicly the same quality of opponents wilder has faced the last couple of years. or would u say that hammer, glazkov or chisora are much better than stiverne, splizka or duhaupas?

what happened. ortiz, josh, wilder and parker wiped everything out and 2017, they all gonne meet and handle business, so we just have to be patient and everything will be clear.

Jip wrote:who is on the top right now?

on boxrec,

browne, chisora, christian hammer , glazkov. this from 10-6

basicly the same quality of opponents wilder has faced the last couple of years. or would u say that hammer, glazkov or chisora are much better than stiverne, splizka or duhaupas?

what happened. ortiz, josh, wilder and parker wiped everything out and 2017, they all gonne meet and handle business, so we just have to be patient and everything will be clear.

Wilder is overrated by some, but more and more are seeing him for the flawed fighter he is. His record flatters him because before he beat Stiverne, he had feasted on D-level heavyweights and worse. The Stiverne performance was very good, but since then he has struggled with Molina, Duhaupas and Szpilka - something an elite heavyweight wouldn't do.

Ortiz has an impressive win over Jennings, but aside from that, his resume is pretty thin. He looks the goods, but is relatively old to be finally emerging as a top heavyweight. I also think his relative lack of athleticism could make him vulnerable against good movers.

Joshua has looked great so far, but against limited opposition - we don't really know what is level is yet. Some are definitely overrating him at this stage, though they could eventually be proven right.

Parker has faced better opposition, but shown vulnerabilities, particularly his poor defense. His win over Takam is a good one, but it was a close fight.

Jip wrote:i see so many threads about the top heavyweight and its always "wilder is overrated", "the hype machine king kong"

yet all they do is win.

how is having a 97 % ko ratio overrated?

how is having a 343-19 amateur record and a 26 fights 0 losses pro record overrated?

yet some of you act like povetkin is the second coming of prime tyson

You start a post talking about people claiming the top heavyweights are over rated.
Then you claim one of the top heavyweights is over rated.

Odd.

I'm not saying Povetkin beats all the top guys but I will tell you something.
He's one of the few that have taken on the best. He chased the best fights and he is avoided.

Compare that to AJ and Wilder. They havent faced the best, they've taken the easy route to the top and the easy options since they got there and people want to fight them, not avoid them.

People aren't really saying these title holders are over rated, simply that they are unproven and as such, won't be comsidered the very best until they can prove themselves

Jip wrote:i see so many threads about the top heavyweight and its always "wilder is overrated", "the hype machine king kong"

yet all they do is win.

how is having a 97 % ko ratio overrated?

how is having a 343-19 amateur record and a 26 fights 0 losses pro record overrated?

yet some of you act like povetkin is the second coming of prime tyson

this is the cross you have to bear as a heavyweight boxer when your era is poorer than the previous era, the klit years weren't great but at least they had things pretty much sewn up, go beyond the klits and your pretty much on a different planet in terms of quality in the division

IMHO hardly any weight class has been showing
such systemic opponent picking as the heavies.
this is what pisses people off. there has been a
series of sub-par defences and this is the rule
now, not the exception. these people fight rarely
and if they do it is most likely against a non
deserving opponent.

its actualy the best time in heavyweight boxing in a long long time. the best since maybe 20 years.

lewis, hyolfield and tyson would have problem against joshua, ortiz and wilder

davie wrote:

Jip wrote:i see so many threads about the top heavyweight and its always "wilder is overrated", "the hype machine king kong"

yet all they do is win.

how is having a 97 % ko ratio overrated?

how is having a 343-19 amateur record and a 26 fights 0 losses pro record overrated?

yet some of you act like povetkin is the second coming of prime tyson

You start a post talking about people claiming the top heavyweights are over rated.
Then you claim one of the top heavyweights is over rated.

Odd.

I'm not saying Povetkin beats all the top guys but I will tell you something.
He's one of the few that have taken on the best. He chased the best fights and he is avoided.

Compare that to AJ and Wilder. They havent faced the best, they've taken the easy route to the top and the easy options since they got there and people want to fight them, not avoid them.

People aren't really saying these title holders are over rated, simply that they are unproven and as such, won't be comsidered the very best until they can prove themselves

Povetkin chased best??? When he had the WBA strap he ran away from Wlad for years!!! His defenses of WBA strap were Warwzik and 50yo Rahman

Lennox Lewis would stop every Heavyweight mentioned without much trouble. This is an awful time for the big guys, undoubtedly.

Thank gawd that general sports fans do not follow boxing forums because here, as in others, all heavyweights are accused of being overrated, fighting bums and protected.. . . New fans would just turn their back on the sport if it was believed.

The problems are

Injuries
Failed drug tests
Greed

If Wilder, Wlad, T. Fury, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Ortiz, Joshua fight each other, it would magically become a great division.

Jip wrote:i see so many threads about the top heavyweight and its always "wilder is overrated", "the hype machine king kong"

yet all they do is win.

how is having a 97 % ko ratio overrated?

how is having a 343-19 amateur record and a 26 fights 0 losses pro record overrated?

yet some of you act like povetkin is the second coming of prime tyson

Povetkin is a lot smarter and boxes better than Tyson ever did... I don't think you're going to see him get knocked out 5 times by underdogs at any time... However Pov is far from the top Heavyweight around today: Ortiz, Joshua, Fury, Haye, Wilder, Povetkin, Parker, Klitschko, Takam, and Ruiz represent a Top-10 with a total of 10 defeats between them.

Somehow I would put those guys up against such sorry Heavyweight Challengers as Don Cockell... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitcz... Ron Stander... and Richard Dung

From the time I was 8, contemporary boxers were always ferociously put down by old timers.. From the 50's on pro boxers were always lambasted as the worst generation of fighters that fans were ever forced to endure.. The Heavyweight Division was the favorite target of detractors for some reason

Now, it was true that the Heavyweight Division was horrible in the 1950's -- World War II thinned out the population of great athletes to a certain degree.. The Korean War and Viet Nam War thinned out American athletes in the 1950's and 60's.. Things started picking up in the 70's for sure.. In the '80's and '90's Mike Tyson gave Boxing a big boost.. Not that Mike was the greatest Heavyweight, but he was charismatic like Ali.. He had a knack for always being in the news.. Maricano and Patterson were so dry and soft spoken that even Ingemar Johansson came across as a big beam of light..

Kalan wrote:

Jip wrote:i see so many threads about the top heavyweight and its always "wilder is overrated", "the hype machine king kong"

yet all they do is win.

how is having a 97 % ko ratio overrated?

how is having a 343-19 amateur record and a 26 fights 0 losses pro record overrated?

yet some of you act like povetkin is the second coming of prime tyson

Povetkin is a lot smarter and boxes better than Tyson ever did... I don't think you're going to see him get knocked out 5 times by underdogs at any time... However Pov is far from the top Heavyweight around today: Ortiz, Joshua, Fury, Haye, Wilder, Povetkin, Parker, Klitschko, Takam, and Ruiz represent a Top-10 with a total of 10 defeats between them.

Why is Ruiz top 10?

Tony1244 wrote:The problems are

Injuries
Failed drug tests
Greed

If Wilder, Wlad, T. Fury, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Ortiz, Joshua fight each other, it would magically become a great division.

This. If we could get some matchups like Fury/Povetkin, Wlad/Ortiz, and AJ/Wilder, everyone would be suddenly interested in the division again. But instead we have shit like Ortiz/Scott and AJ/Molina. Garbage.