Tyson vs Tyson

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Tyson vs Tyson

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Fury and mike respectively.

Is this a case of one man simply being too overwhelmingly tall?

Too tall to fail?
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BoxBuzz wrote:Fury and mike respectively.

Is this a case of one man simply being too overwhelmingly tall?

Too tall to fail?

Mike destroys the big lump. If Cunningham can floor Fury, then Mike can keep him floored.

Tyson KO 5
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It would depend on where they were mentally... Both had problems getting fit and entering the ring in their best condition... Both had emotional problems.
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I'd imagine it would be when both were in their prime?
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Rob3_142 wrote:I'd imagine it would be when both were in their prime?
The great Mike Tyson wins this one in a flash. No contest. Either by first round KO or a great beating. The ONLY WAY I see Tyson Fury doing to last the distance is by clutching and grabbing the whole night for survival and lose the fight because of inactivity or lack of trying.
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ginty wrote:There's a piece in this years boxing news annual and it has champs from 1991 vs today's no1 and they picked fury to beat holyfield
My mrs has got me next year's edition for Christmas, looking forward to it :OhYes:
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ginty wrote:There's a piece in this years boxing news annual and it has champs from 1991 vs today's no1 and they picked fury to beat holyfield

My God 1991 Holyfield would have destroyed Tyson.
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Evander Holyfield didn't destroy Mike Tyson he just knocked him out... Holyfield was world cruiserweight champion just like Steve Cunningham... Fury knocked Cunningham out with one shot... He stretched him... He's the only fighter to ever stop Cunningham.
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Tomasino wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Fury and mike respectively.

Is this a case of one man simply being too overwhelmingly tall?

Too tall to fail?

Mike destroys the big lump. If Cunningham can floor Fury, then Mike can keep him floored.

Tyson KO 5

Agreed.

"Too tall to fail: = :lol:
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Tomasino wrote:
ginty wrote:There's a piece in this years boxing news annual and it has champs from 1991 vs today's no1 and they picked fury to beat holyfield

My God 1991 Holyfield would have destroyed Tyson.

Might be a bit closer than you think.
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Rexob wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
ginty wrote:There's a piece in this years boxing news annual and it has champs from 1991 vs today's no1 and they picked fury to beat holyfield

My God 1991 Holyfield would have destroyed Tyson.

Might be a bit closer than you think.

Tyson Fury vs Holy? I just can't imagine Tyson surviving long never mind winning.
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BoxBuzz wrote:Fury and mike respectively.

Is this a case of one man simply being too overwhelmingly tall?

Too tall to fail?
Put it this way... Fury isn't the full package... He never looked even half conditioned or solid to me except for the Kiltschko fight, where he still looked a little soft.. He's not very powerful for his height. He's not athletic at all. He's a clever boxer and a pretty good thinker if he only put it to better use and was dedicated to Boxing.. He doesn't work hard.. He the only Heavyweight Champion besides Buster Douglas who could GAF less whether he wins or not.. He's a mental case.

But I figured Fury would beat Klitschko... Wladimir was used to jabbing the crap out of all his opponents and controlling every round of every fight... All of a sudden he's fighting a guy 3 inches taller with a reach 4 inches longer... Wlad can't jab the guy and he has no infighting game... But it's like Buster Douglas.. When Buster finally trained hard he could beat somebody like Mike Tyson.. But when he got super fat and refused to train he couldn't beat anybody half good.
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I don't care what anybody says, Tyson Fury is not Mike Tyson's nor Evander Holyfield's quality. He is about two levels below those two great boxers.
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I like fury, and his skills/achievements are criminally underated, but Mike KO's him early
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If Fury is exceptionally well trained and ready to fight - Mike doesn't KO him at all... Mike gets knocked out... It's another Tyson-Douglas story.

When you know you can beat an A-lister, but nobody else thinks you can???? ... That's when you go out and hire all the spar-mates and get ready.
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Kalan wrote:If Fury is exceptionally well trained and ready to fight - Mike doesn't KO him at all... Mike gets knocked out... It's another Tyson-Douglas story.

When you know you can beat an A-lister, but nobody else thinks you can???? ... That's when you go out and hire all the spar-mates and get ready.
Tyson Fury can't carry the great Mike Tyson's jockstrap!
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LOL... He wouldn't want to... I wouldn't touch the damned thing either... Maybe some of those skanks Mike picked up would go for it.
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Kalan wrote:LOL... He wouldn't want to... I wouldn't touch the damned thing either... Maybe some of those skanks Mike picked up would go for it.
Plus, Fury wouldn't even be good enough to carry Iron Mike's spit bucket. This fight is a total mismatch.
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elmersalsa wrote:
Kalan wrote:LOL... He wouldn't want to... I wouldn't touch the damned thing either... Maybe some of those skanks Mike picked up would go for it.
Plus, Fury wouldn't even be good enough to carry Iron Mike's spit bucket. This fight is a total mismatch.
Fury wouldn't touch that either... Maybe Mike could get one of his skanks to open her mouth every time he wanted to patooie.

But you're being ridiculously biased... Mike was a little guy who was easy to hit and got knocked out 5 X... Fury is undefeated and untied... Remember, everybody thought the chinny and chubby Buster Douglas didn't have a Chinaman's prayer of beating Mike---but he beat Mike up and knocked him out.
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Tyson would get in and land on tysons body if he was the younger Tyson and in combo destroy mode then Tyson would knock Tyson out or tko him it would be a test of pain for Tyson, how many rounds Tyson could last with Tyson coming at him.
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Kalan wrote:But you're being ridiculously biased... Mike was a little guy who was easy to hit and got knocked out 5 X... Fury is undefeated and untied... Remember, everybody thought the chinny and chubby Buster Douglas didn't have a Chinaman's prayer of beating Mike---but he beat Mike up and knocked him out.
Mike got knocked out by Buster in his 38th fight, Tyson hasn't even got close to that.

There's an argument that Mike's prime was 87-88 where he was essentially untouchable, but after he left Kevin Rooney, he clearly started to decline. The Bruno fight showed this clearly (when compared to a few years prior). He was only 24 when he lost to Buster, but he'd started to lose his discipline and his edge.

I think the Mike that blitzed Spinks would of absolutely killed Tyson, inside 3 rounds.
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Rob3_142 wrote:
Kalan wrote:But you're being ridiculously biased... Mike was a little guy who was easy to hit and got knocked out 5 X... Fury is undefeated and untied... Remember, everybody thought the chinny and chubby Buster Douglas didn't have a Chinaman's prayer of beating Mike---but he beat Mike up and knocked him out.
Mike got knocked out by Buster in his 38th fight, Tyson hasn't even got close to that.

There's an argument that Mike's prime was 87-88 where he was essentially untouchable, but after he left Kevin Rooney, he clearly started to decline. The Bruno fight showed this clearly (when compared to a few years prior). He was only 24 when he lost to Buster, but he'd started to lose his discipline and his edge.

I think the Mike that blitzed Spinks would of absolutely killed Tyson, inside 3 rounds.
I completely agree with you. The great Mike Tyson of the 80s was a devastating fighting machine and puncher. That Tyson Fury ain't beating that monster. Short, dark, stocky powerful and compact. He had the rare combination of speed and power ever seen at heavyweight
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elmersalsa wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Kalan wrote:But you're being ridiculously biased... Mike was a little guy who was easy to hit and got knocked out 5 X... Fury is undefeated and untied... Remember, everybody thought the chinny and chubby Buster Douglas didn't have a Chinaman's prayer of beating Mike---but he beat Mike up and knocked him out.
Mike got knocked out by Buster in his 38th fight, Tyson hasn't even got close to that.

There's an argument that Mike's prime was 87-88 where he was essentially untouchable, but after he left Kevin Rooney, he clearly started to decline. The Bruno fight showed this clearly (when compared to a few years prior). He was only 24 when he lost to Buster, but he'd started to lose his discipline and his edge.

I think the Mike that blitzed Spinks would of absolutely killed Tyson, inside 3 rounds.
I completely agree with you. The great Mike Tyson of the 80s was a devastating fighting machine and puncher. That Tyson Fury ain't beating that monster. Short, dark, stocky powerful and compact. He had the rare combination of speed and power ever seen at heavyweight
Yeah??? ... Well Buster Douglas wasn't impressed by any of Tyson's previous 37 opponents... He said most all of them were horrible and none of them were complete Heavyweight Fighters such as himself.. They weren't guys who combined height, weight, reach, strength, speed, smarts, endurance, confidence, a tremendous training camp, and the overall skills and game to do a job on Mike. "You need everything and I have it." He pointed out that Holmes was too old and not very big or strong.. That Holmes hadn't fought in years.. That Holmes had no training camp to prepare.. They offered Larry a few million to fight Tyson when he was looking for new funds.. He's going to take it.. Larry knew he needed a few tune-up fights -- like he had before he fought Ray Mercer -- but fighters do dumb things. Tyson and Douglas made stupid moves from time to time. In Douglas's case, most of the time -- his whole career was a disaster. But you only have to get smart once.
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Height doesn't matter.

Tyson would have no trouble reaching Fury's chin & when he does, it's good night.

Fury has done nothing in his career to suggest that he could hold a candle to Tyson '86 - '88.
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You know, it's damned funny. People were bragging about how David Haye was going to murder Fury.. I was on the fence a bit, but then Haye came up with a cut eye.. Then he came up with a bad shoulder.. Then the people who hated Fury were bragging about how Klitschko was going to murder Fury because a Cruiserweight put him down... Of course, a Cruiserweight knocked Mike down too... and beat Mike TF up... and knocked Mike out.. The only person who ever knocked Steve Cunningham out is Tyson Fury

If you're going to disqualify everyone who was ever knocked down, just look back at all the ATG Heavyweight Champions.. I don't know why Wladimir wore gloves when he fought Fury. I guess his hands were cold because he wasn't throwing anything.. It's damned hard to throw when your opponent is so big, tall, and long, and a good boxer.. Fury kept poking punches in Wlad's face and he was afraid to come in -- kind of like Mike when he fought Lewis.. Fury is a slick defender and Mike was wide open for everything.. Douglas beat the crap out of poor little Mike for the duration... Then he teed the short little dude up and knocked him TFO... kind of like the way Lewis teed Mike up, but with a lot more variety in his punches and fluidity in his delivery. The 42/1 favorite had a very hard time getting his shots off.

Bottom line? ... Many people knocked out Buster Douglas -- and some of them weren't very good.. Fury is unbeaten and untied.. He's not going to remain that way if he ever fights Anthony Joshua, but for now he is... and he would have beaten the other guy named Tyson in a walk.
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