Andre Ward is similar to Sven Ottke

[Freedom2013]

- feather-fisted
- refuses to leave home country
- uses home country referees
- country supports him for winning Olympic Gold
- judges always give him close rounds

Only differences are:

1) although Sven was gifted a few decisions, he never won a clear robbery like Ward-Kovalev

2) Sven was more honorable, he didn't use head butts and other illegal tactics

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[Enlightened-One]

- feather-fisted
- refuses to leave home country
- uses home country referees
- country supports him for winning Olympic Gold
- judges always give him close rounds

Only differences are:

1) although Sven was gifted a few decisions, he never won a clear robbery like Ward-Kovalev

2) Sven was more honorable, he didn't use head butts and other illegal tactics

[crusader]

Ward is obviously a much better fighter, but there are similarities.

[Impractical Poster]

Seems Freedom is having a difficult time with this.

[Enlightened-One]

[Noxy]

Ward doesn't seem very popular on this forum for some reason. Yet another thread trying to do him down. It's getting boring.

[ValMar]

I am unbiased person, despise racism/nationalism/religious chauvinism. So, my opinion about Ward (as boxer) is :
- an excellent skillset
-an average puncher
-an excellent stamina
-a very decent chin
- "x factor" - can not be explained properly, but exists....
- dirty tactics,from time to time
- not so exciting style, not attractive for casual fans
- a great self-confidence

He is a great fighter, obviously....But, I think he ought to stay at LHW...Simply, he has no chance at HW (even CW).

[Impractical Poster]

I am unbiased person

No such thing.

[ValMar]

I am unbiased person

No such thing.

OK, 99 %.............

[Covfefe]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

[Impractical Poster]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

IIRC, there were quite a few very gifted decisions that went the Ottke way.

[Syntax Error]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

Reid was an unlucky guy; he arguably got robbed against Calzaghe too.

[Covfefe]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

IIRC, there were quite a few very gifted decisions that went the Ottke way.

Yeah I believe so, I never liked him much as a fighter. Saw few of his fights really.

[Covfefe]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

Reid was an unlucky guy; he arguably got robbed against Calzaghe too.

Yeah that was close, definitely could have gone either way. People talk about Hopkins but Reid was definitely Calzaghe's toughest fight. Not see that in a long time either, the version on YT is awful so I turned it off.

[crusader]

Reid gets mentioned a lot, but what were the other robberies?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

Reid was an unlucky guy; he arguably got robbed against Calzaghe too.

Calzaghe fight was very close, the Ottke fight was a total stich up job, the ref wouldn't even let him punch, warned him for hitting Ottke, and totally ignored a blatant knockdown.

Tillerman has never even refereed a high profile professional fight before, he was an amateur judge, and then mysteriously gets the job.

If Reid had knocked Ottke spark out, they'd have DQ'd him.

[Freedom2013]

Reid was an unlucky guy; he arguably got robbed against Calzaghe too.

No, Calzaghe won the fight.

Reid himself said in an interview directly after the fight Joe won.

[Freedom2013]

If Reid had knocked Ottke spark out, they'd have DQ'd him.

Perhaps.

And Kovalev would have been DQed on Saturday if he had knocked Ward out.

[Tanzio]

If Reid had knocked Ottke spark out, they'd have DQ'd him.

Perhaps.

And Kovalev would have been DQed on Saturday if he had knocked Ward out.

What a pathetic loser.

[Sids]

Reid gets mentioned a lot, but what were the other robberies?

The Byron Mitchell and Mads Larsen fights was just as bad.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If Reid had knocked Ottke spark out, they'd have DQ'd him.

Perhaps.

And Kovalev would have been DQed on Saturday if he had knocked Ward out.

No, he wouldn't.

[Ricky_]

I disagree that Ward is feather fisted.

[Counter-puncher]

I haven't seen it in years and years but I remember feeling Reid was robbed against Otke.

Reid was an unlucky guy; he arguably got robbed against Calzaghe too.

very arguably

the word 'robbery' is used with astonishing peremptoriness (?is that even a word? lol) by boxing fans

[Keko]