Kovalev was in on the fix!
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Fightdoctor
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Kovalev was in on the fix!
The majority of us who watched the fight, whether live or on tv, felt that Kovalev was either robbed or won sufficient number of rounds to retain his titles. It is clear that the decision will not be overturned but what is more telling is Kovalev's reaction to Ward being announced as the winner. He barely reacted. When interview about the verdict he sounded like he was rehashing rehearsed lines. I have rewatched the fight several times and made 3 glaring observations. 1) Kovalev "carried" Ward. He could have sparked him out at any moment but chose not to. 2) Ward has fallen far from Super Six form, at least physically. 3) Kovalev never meant to knock Ward down, he was pulling his punches all night and missing on purpose. Prior to the fight and in the wake of the decision we have learnt that there is an iron-clad immediate rematch clause. I honestly believe that all the principals involved wanted two fights to make as much money as possible. Having said that if the immediate rematch comes to fruition Andre Ward won't last 4 rounds against the unleashed Kovalev!
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Don't think so.
But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.
That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!
But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.
That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Fightdoctor wrote:The majority of us who watched the fight, whether live or on tv, felt that Kovalev was either robbed or won sufficient number of rounds to retain his titles. It is clear that the decision will not be overturned but what is more telling is Kovalev's reaction to Ward being announced as the winner. He barely reacted. When interview about the verdict he sounded like he was rehashing rehearsed lines. I have rewatched the fight several times and made 3 glaring observations. 1) Kovalev "carried" Ward. He could have sparked him out at any moment but chose not to. 2) Ward has fallen far from Super Six form, at least physically. 3) Kovalev never meant to knock Ward down, he was pulling his punches all night and missing on purpose. Prior to the fight and in the wake of the decision we have learnt that there is an iron-clad immediate rematch clause. I honestly believe that all the principals involved wanted two fights to make as much money as possible. Having said that if the immediate rematch comes to fruition Andre Ward won't last 4 rounds against the unleashed Kovalev!
It all makes sense now
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boxing_rocks
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Bullshit. After round 2, Kovalev became too confident that he got it and thought that he could just coast to a UD like in the Hopkins fight. He didn't take Vegas crooks into consideration.
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Thank you for that clairvoyant moment, Nostradumbass.boxing_rocks wrote:Bullshit. After round 2, Kovalev became too confident that he got it and thought that he could just coast to a UD like in the Hopkins fight. He didn't take Vegas crooks into consideration.
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Ilya Muromets
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
crow wrote:Don't think so.
But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.
That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!
What did she say?
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Fightdoctor
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
If you disagree with my opinion don't insult me. If you met me in person you wouldn't dare. Use your brain to argue your position. For the record I do believe Kovalev carried Hopkins out of respect until the 12th round when he decided to punish Hopkins for clowning and had him out on his feet. As for the Chilemba fight when Kovalev last fought at that same venue his opponent collapsed, fell into a coma and died. So yes I believe he took his foot off the gas against Chilemba or went into the ring dreading a second opponent dying at his hands.
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boxing_rocks
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Kovalev didn't mention his hand in his interviews in English or Russian. He did mumble something about his head in English, but it was unclear.x2x wrote:crow wrote:Don't think so.
But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.
That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!
What did she say?
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
At the 3 min markx2x wrote:crow wrote:Don't think so.
But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.
That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!
What did she say?
https://youtu.be/JKtP3UuNip0?t=3m6s
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boxing_rocks
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
She thought at that time, but it wasn't mentioned after that.crow wrote:At the 3 min markx2x wrote:crow wrote:Don't think so.
But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.
That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!
What did she say?
https://youtu.be/JKtP3UuNip0?t=3m6s
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Kovalev didn't mention it because he doesn't want his adversaries to know his weaknesses.
He has puncher's disease.
He was pushing his right hand in the later stages, telegraphing it and keeping Ward in respect. But he never put the foot down the accelerator after the middle mark.
In the early going, he was toying with Ward.
Ward ressembled a punching bag for these first rds, appearing completely defenseless.
He has puncher's disease.
He was pushing his right hand in the later stages, telegraphing it and keeping Ward in respect. But he never put the foot down the accelerator after the middle mark.
In the early going, he was toying with Ward.
Ward ressembled a punching bag for these first rds, appearing completely defenseless.
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boxing_rocks
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
If you are right about the hand, then Ward was too hard of a punching bag.crow wrote:Kovalev didn't mention it because he doesn't want his adversaries to know his weaknesses.
He has puncher's disease.
He was pushing his right hand in the later stages, telegraphing it and keeping Ward in respect. But he never put the foot down the accelerator after the middle mark.
In the early going, he was toying with Ward.
Ward ressembled a punching bag for these first rds, appearing completely defenseless.
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Impractical Poster
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.
This would be a good case study for student psychologists.
This would be a good case study for student psychologists.
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
I believe it has to do with how unpopular Ward has been these last few years.Impractical Poster wrote:I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.
People are fed up of the circus he's involved with; they just don't want him around anymore.
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Nonsense
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
It's to do with justice, fair ness, being humble, boxing rules/scoring and the tall poppy syndrome. I'm no better and still raw on it. It's being talked about in the media which, you could argue is good for boxing but us fans, the "decision" will haunt me for a time. Well...those that disagree with it.Impractical Poster wrote:I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.
This would be a good case study for student psychologists.
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boxing_rocks
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
Exactly. Most of people who love boxing are outraged how even on the highest possible level, a clear win by one fighter was ignored by judges gifting a decision to the other one.lazboy wrote:It's to do with justice, fair ness, being humble, boxing rules/scoring and the tall poppy syndrome. I'm no better and still raw on it. It's being talked about in the media which, you could argue is good for boxing but us fans, the "decision" will haunt me for a time. Well...those that disagree with it.Impractical Poster wrote:I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.
This would be a good case study for student psychologists.
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Like a Boss
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Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
If it goes to the judges it was robbery.
If it ends in a KO it was a dive.
Gotta love forums
If it ends in a KO it was a dive.
Gotta love forums
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
I apologize Fightdoctor.Fightdoctor wrote:If you disagree with my opinion don't insult me. If you met me in person you wouldn't dare. Use your brain to argue your position. For the record I do believe Kovalev carried Hopkins out of respect until the 12th round when he decided to punish Hopkins for clowning and had him out on his feet. As for the Chilemba fight when Kovalev last fought at that same venue his opponent collapsed, fell into a coma and died. So yes I believe he took his foot off the gas against Chilemba or went into the ring dreading a second opponent dying at his hands.
The discussion of this fight has involved some ludicrous accusations involving the judges, ref, promoters, Las Vegas in general, America in general, and most pathetically the combatants themselves. My obvious, over the top sarcasm was relatively focused on those who have leveled criticism for the decision going against them like monkeys throw there own feces at the zoo. Unfortunately, you were collateral damage.
Far be it from me to completely dismiss anyone else's conspiracy theory given that I believe that Pac v FMJ was essentially a choreographed farce, and I still believe that Trump originally entered the presidential race to get Hilarity elected.
I'm not saying that I have evidence that Krusher was not carrying Ward. I just find it high comedy that this discussion has led a week later to a scenario in which Krusher had to have cheated too much and robbed himself.
I actually find that theory as credible as any of the BS that has been posted on here attempting to argue that the fight was a robbery.
I will accept that compromise. Krusher picked his own pocket.
Re: Kovalev was in on the fix!
ClassicFightdoctor wrote:The majority of us who watched the fight, whether live or on tv, felt that Kovalev was either robbed or won sufficient number of rounds to retain his titles. It is clear that the decision will not be overturned but what is more telling is Kovalev's reaction to Ward being announced as the winner. He barely reacted. When interview about the verdict he sounded like he was rehashing rehearsed lines. I have rewatched the fight several times and made 3 glaring observations. 1) Kovalev "carried" Ward. He could have sparked him out at any moment but chose not to. 2) Ward has fallen far from Super Six form, at least physically. 3) Kovalev never meant to knock Ward down, he was pulling his punches all night and missing on purpose. Prior to the fight and in the wake of the decision we have learnt that there is an iron-clad immediate rematch clause. I honestly believe that all the principals involved wanted two fights to make as much money as possible. Having said that if the immediate rematch comes to fruition Andre Ward won't last 4 rounds against the unleashed Kovalev!