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The majority of us who watched the fight, whether live or on tv, felt that Kovalev was either robbed or won sufficient number of rounds to retain his titles. It is clear that the decision will not be overturned but what is more telling is Kovalev's reaction to Ward being announced as the winner. He barely reacted. When interview about the verdict he sounded like he was rehashing rehearsed lines. I have rewatched the fight several times and made 3 glaring observations. 1) Kovalev "carried" Ward. He could have sparked him out at any moment but chose not to. 2) Ward has fallen far from Super Six form, at least physically. 3) Kovalev never meant to knock Ward down, he was pulling his punches all night and missing on purpose. Prior to the fight and in the wake of the decision we have learnt that there is an iron-clad immediate rematch clause. I honestly believe that all the principals involved wanted two fights to make as much money as possible. Having said that if the immediate rematch comes to fruition Andre Ward won't last 4 rounds against the unleashed Kovalev!

Don't think so.

But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.

That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!

Fightdoctor wrote:The majority of us who watched the fight, whether live or on tv, felt that Kovalev was either robbed or won sufficient number of rounds to retain his titles. It is clear that the decision will not be overturned but what is more telling is Kovalev's reaction to Ward being announced as the winner. He barely reacted. When interview about the verdict he sounded like he was rehashing rehearsed lines. I have rewatched the fight several times and made 3 glaring observations. 1) Kovalev "carried" Ward. He could have sparked him out at any moment but chose not to. 2) Ward has fallen far from Super Six form, at least physically. 3) Kovalev never meant to knock Ward down, he was pulling his punches all night and missing on purpose. Prior to the fight and in the wake of the decision we have learnt that there is an iron-clad immediate rematch clause. I honestly believe that all the principals involved wanted two fights to make as much money as possible. Having said that if the immediate rematch comes to fruition Andre Ward won't last 4 rounds against the unleashed Kovalev!

That explains everything!!! Krusher was not only robbed but he robbed himself This is the only rational explanation for the Russian losing; he cheated too well No need for any Krusher mites to disturb their comfy spot on their sofa beds or to bother to shed their Russian flag robes to investigate this travesty of justice Fightdoctor has singlehandedly solved the crime for us; Krusher is the culprit

Wait a minute!!! This explains how BHop and Chilemba went the distance Krusher had to have carried them like a fireman, for it is not possible for a mere mortal born outside of motha Russia to survive the onslaught of the Sergei without the Russian cheating in a tremendously skilled and cunning fashion.

It all makes sense now

Bullshit. After round 2, Kovalev became too confident that he got it and thought that he could just coast to a UD like in the Hopkins fight. He didn't take Vegas crooks into consideration.

boxing_rocks wrote:Bullshit. After round 2, Kovalev became too confident that he got it and thought that he could just coast to a UD like in the Hopkins fight. He didn't take Vegas crooks into consideration.

Thank you for that clairvoyant moment, Nostradumbass.

crow wrote:Don't think so.

But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.

That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!

What did she say?

If you disagree with my opinion don't insult me. If you met me in person you wouldn't dare. Use your brain to argue your position. For the record I do believe Kovalev carried Hopkins out of respect until the 12th round when he decided to punish Hopkins for clowning and had him out on his feet. As for the Chilemba fight when Kovalev last fought at that same venue his opponent collapsed, fell into a coma and died. So yes I believe he took his foot off the gas against Chilemba or went into the ring dreading a second opponent dying at his hands.

x2x wrote:

crow wrote:Don't think so.

But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.

That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!

What did she say?

Kovalev didn't mention his hand in his interviews in English or Russian. He did mumble something about his head in English, but it was unclear.

x2x wrote:

crow wrote:Don't think so.

But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.

That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!

What did she say?

At the 3 min mark

https://youtu.be/JKtP3UuNip0?t=3m6s

crow wrote:

x2x wrote:

crow wrote:Don't think so.

But rather, he injured again his right hand (Kathy Duva admitted it minutes after the fight), then decided to play it safe since he knew he had a rematch clause in case things got sour.

That's why i said: ban rematch clauses!

What did she say?

At the 3 min mark

https://youtu.be/JKtP3UuNip0?t=3m6s

She thought at that time, but it wasn't mentioned after that.

Kovalev didn't mention it because he doesn't want his adversaries to know his weaknesses.

He has puncher's disease.

He was pushing his right hand in the later stages, telegraphing it and keeping Ward in respect. But he never put the foot down the accelerator after the middle mark.

In the early going, he was toying with Ward.
Ward ressembled a punching bag for these first rds, appearing completely defenseless.

crow wrote:Kovalev didn't mention it because he doesn't want his adversaries to know his weaknesses.

He has puncher's disease.

He was pushing his right hand in the later stages, telegraphing it and keeping Ward in respect. But he never put the foot down the accelerator after the middle mark.

In the early going, he was toying with Ward.
Ward ressembled a punching bag for these first rds, appearing completely defenseless.

If you are right about the hand, then Ward was too hard of a punching bag.

I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.

This would be a good case study for student psychologists.

Impractical Poster wrote:I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.

I believe it has to do with how unpopular Ward has been these last few years.
People are fed up of the circus he's involved with; they just don't want him around anymore.

Nonsense

Impractical Poster wrote:I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.

This would be a good case study for student psychologists.

It's to do with justice, fair ness, being humble, boxing rules/scoring and the tall poppy syndrome. I'm no better and still raw on it. It's being talked about in the media which, you could argue is good for boxing but us fans, the "decision" will haunt me for a time. Well...those that disagree with it.

lazboy wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I can't remember a fight having this crazy of a reaction afterwards. Even after a week of being fought. People are insane over this.

This would be a good case study for student psychologists.

It's to do with justice, fair ness, being humble, boxing rules/scoring and the tall poppy syndrome. I'm no better and still raw on it. It's being talked about in the media which, you could argue is good for boxing but us fans, the "decision" will haunt me for a time. Well...those that disagree with it.

Exactly. Most of people who love boxing are outraged how even on the highest possible level, a clear win by one fighter was ignored by judges gifting a decision to the other one.

If it goes to the judges it was robbery.

If it ends in a KO it was a dive.

Gotta love forums

Fightdoctor wrote:If you disagree with my opinion don't insult me. If you met me in person you wouldn't dare. Use your brain to argue your position. For the record I do believe Kovalev carried Hopkins out of respect until the 12th round when he decided to punish Hopkins for clowning and had him out on his feet. As for the Chilemba fight when Kovalev last fought at that same venue his opponent collapsed, fell into a coma and died. So yes I believe he took his foot off the gas against Chilemba or went into the ring dreading a second opponent dying at his hands.

I apologize Fightdoctor.

The discussion of this fight has involved some ludicrous accusations involving the judges, ref, promoters, Las Vegas in general, America in general, and most pathetically the combatants themselves. My obvious, over the top sarcasm was relatively focused on those who have leveled criticism for the decision going against them like monkeys throw there own feces at the zoo. Unfortunately, you were collateral damage.

Far be it from me to completely dismiss anyone else's conspiracy theory given that I believe that Pac v FMJ was essentially a choreographed farce, and I still believe that Trump originally entered the presidential race to get Hilarity elected.

I'm not saying that I have evidence that Krusher was not carrying Ward. I just find it high comedy that this discussion has led a week later to a scenario in which Krusher had to have cheated too much and robbed himself.

I actually find that theory as credible as any of the BS that has been posted on here attempting to argue that the fight was a robbery.

I will accept that compromise. Krusher picked his own pocket.

Fightdoctor wrote:The majority of us who watched the fight, whether live or on tv, felt that Kovalev was either robbed or won sufficient number of rounds to retain his titles. It is clear that the decision will not be overturned but what is more telling is Kovalev's reaction to Ward being announced as the winner. He barely reacted. When interview about the verdict he sounded like he was rehashing rehearsed lines. I have rewatched the fight several times and made 3 glaring observations. 1) Kovalev "carried" Ward. He could have sparked him out at any moment but chose not to. 2) Ward has fallen far from Super Six form, at least physically. 3) Kovalev never meant to knock Ward down, he was pulling his punches all night and missing on purpose. Prior to the fight and in the wake of the decision we have learnt that there is an iron-clad immediate rematch clause. I honestly believe that all the principals involved wanted two fights to make as much money as possible. Having said that if the immediate rematch comes to fruition Andre Ward won't last 4 rounds against the unleashed Kovalev!

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