How many heavyweights beat Wladimir Klitschko now?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 13 Dec 2016, 08:58

With a lot of people talking about Klitschko like he's washed up and Joshua beating him is a forgone conclusion: I'd like to know how bad people actually think he is now and just how little Joshua's assured victory will be worth.

How many & which heavyweights beat Wladimir Klitschko now?

Rough top 30 for help deciding:

1. Tyson Fury
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Joseph Parker
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Carlos Takam
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Andy Ruiz Jr

11. Dillian Whyte
12. Dereck Chisora
13. Johann Duhaupas
14. Bryant Jennings
15. Malik Scott
16. Lucas Browne
17. Artur Szpilka
18. Christian Hammer
19. Steve Cunningham (Cruiserweight)
20. Vyacheslav Glazkov

21. Bermane Stiverne
22. David Haye
23. Tony Thompson
24. Ruslan Chagaev
25. Mairis Briedis (Cruiserweight)
26. Erkan Teper
27. Amir Mansour
28. Gerald Washington
29. Dominic Breazeale
30. Charles Martin

TheGman · Post by **TheGman** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:00

Horse wrote:With a lot of people talking about Klitschko like he's washed up and Joshua beating him is a forgone conclusion: I'd like to know how bad people actually think he is now and just how little Joshua's assured victory will be worth.

How many & which heavyweights beat Wladimir Klitschko now?

Rough top 30 for help deciding:

1. Tyson Fury
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Joseph Parker
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Carlos Takam
9. Anthony Joshua
10. Andy Ruiz Jr

11. Dillian Whyte
12. Dereck Chisora
13. Johann Duhaupas
14. Bryant Jennings
15. Malik Scott
16. Lucas Browne
17. Artur Szpilka
18. Christian Hammer
19. Steve Cunningham (Cruiserweight)
20. Vyacheslav Glazkov

21. Bermane Stiverne
22. David Haye
23. Tony Thompson
24. Ruslan Chagaev
25. Mairis Briedis (Cruiserweight)
26. Erkan Teper
27. Amir Mansour
28. Gerald Washington
29. Dominic Breazeale
30. Charles Martin

2,wilder and joshua,fury would of gitten dismantles in the rematch thats why he took the drugs to shit out of the rematch in a hipe that klit will be retired when he gets back

Pistol-P · Post by **Pistol-P** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:05

Klits Cashing out i feel.

He hasnt looked great for a while, will have been out of the ring for 2 years by the fight, and he will realise many younger guns are gaining ground on him.

Joshua, Wilder, Fury all beat him now and maybe so would Parker, Ortiz, Ruiz, Haye , Povetkin and Pulev.

I think Joshua will KO him in April

Killer Blow · Post by **Killer Blow** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:07

0 is a troll option as Fury has already been proven. I'll go with 5, assuming there are no slave contracts or bribed officials involved.

DannyMCR · Post by **DannyMCR** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:11

Killer Blow wrote:0 is a troll option as Fury has already been proven. I'll go with 5, assuming there are no slave contracts or bribed officials involved.

But Fury isn't currently active..

Killer Blow · Post by **Killer Blow** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:12

DannyMCR wrote:
Killer Blow wrote:0 is a troll option as Fury has already been proven. I'll go with 5, assuming there are no slave contracts or bribed officials involved.
But Fury isn't currently active..

Horse included Fury's name. If you exclude Fury, then I vote 4.

DannyMCR · Post by **DannyMCR** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:14

Killer Blow wrote:
DannyMCR wrote:
Killer Blow wrote:0 is a troll option as Fury has already been proven. I'll go with 5, assuming there are no slave contracts or bribed officials involved.
But Fury isn't currently active..
Horse included Fury's name. If you exclude Fury, then I vote 4.

Horse still has Fury as P4P #1 in the UK

tigermoth87 · Post by **tigermoth87** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:21

Wow, some people really hate Wlad...

The correct answer is 1 Tyson Fury

Wilder failing to dispatch Molina until like the 8th round and getting wobbled whilst Joshua destroyed him in 3 makes him look shit. Ortiz looked shite against Scott and didn't impress against Allen. Parker, nope... he looked dreadful against Ruiz Jr. Wlad would have won at least 10 rounds against Ruiz Jr. Saying that Wilder does pack power.

Given Wlad's shaky jaw, Joshua, Haye and Wilder have a punchers chance.

Killer Blow · Post by **Killer Blow** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:26

tigermoth87 wrote:Wow, some people really hate Wlad...

The correct answer is 1 Tyson Fury

Wilder failing to dispatch Molina until like the 8th round and getting wobbled whilst Joshua destroyed him in 3 makes him look poo. Ortiz looked shite against Scott and didn't impress against Allen. Parker, nope... he looked dreadful against Ruiz Jr. Wlad would have won at least 10 rounds against Ruiz Jr. Saying that Wilder does pack power.

Given Wlad's shaky jaw, Joshua, Haye and Wilder have a punchers chance.

Wlad won't run away from Ortiz like Scott did. It would be a completely different fight.

tigermoth87 · Post by **tigermoth87** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:31

Killer Blow wrote:
tigermoth87 wrote:Wow, some people really hate Wlad...

The correct answer is 1 Tyson Fury

Wilder failing to dispatch Molina until like the 8th round and getting wobbled whilst Joshua destroyed him in 3 makes him look poo. Ortiz looked shite against Scott and didn't impress against Allen. Parker, nope... he looked dreadful against Ruiz Jr. Wlad would have won at least 10 rounds against Ruiz Jr. Saying that Wilder does pack power.

Given Wlad's shaky jaw, Joshua, Haye and Wilder have a punchers chance.
Wlad won't run away from Ortiz like Scott did. It would be a completely different fight.

True but I still can't see him troubling Wlad. He lacks speedands Wlad's entir style is centred around beating smaller opponents. An average sized heavyweight like Ortiz isn't going to beat him.

BitPlayer · Post by **BitPlayer** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:38

Good ranking, though I'm not sure Chaegaev should be included.

BitPlayer · Post by **BitPlayer** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:40

Killer Blow wrote:
tigermoth87 wrote:Wow, some people really hate Wlad...

The correct answer is 1 Tyson Fury

Wilder failing to dispatch Molina until like the 8th round and getting wobbled whilst Joshua destroyed him in 3 makes him look poo. Ortiz looked shite against Scott and didn't impress against Allen. Parker, nope... he looked dreadful against Ruiz Jr. Wlad would have won at least 10 rounds against Ruiz Jr. Saying that Wilder does pack power.

Given Wlad's shaky jaw, Joshua, Haye and Wilder have a punchers chance.
Wlad won't run away from Ortiz like Scott did. It would be a completely different fight.

But it does show that Wlad would have a big advantage in footwork.

youngrell · Post by **youngrell** » 13 Dec 2016, 09:44

I picked 2, but in reality I should have picked 3, with Fury being the third.

I don't decisively pick either, but I believe Joshua and Wilder COULD beat Wlad, given their size, power and style. But I think Wlad beats both unless he's completely over the hill.

Wlad handles the rest of the division in the same way he did for the past 10 years.

fizzjambo · Post by **fizzjambo** » 13 Dec 2016, 11:41

tigermoth87 wrote:Wow, some people really hate Wlad...

The correct answer is 1 Tyson Fury

Wilder failing to dispatch Molina until like the 8th round and getting wobbled whilst Joshua destroyed him in 3 makes him look poo. Ortiz looked shite against Scott and didn't impress against Allen. Parker, nope... he looked dreadful against Ruiz Jr. Wlad would have won at least 10 rounds against Ruiz Jr. Saying that Wilder does pack power.

Given Wlad's shaky jaw, Joshua, Haye and Wilder have a punchers chance.

This. Although I give Joshua more than a punchers chance. Haye and Wilder could, but I wouldn't make then favourites. A fit, motivated Fury would mess him about again and win well

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Dec 2016, 12:20

I'd say it's a bit mad to write Wlad off, he lost to Fury because of Fury's unpredictable movement, and even then, hardly a shot was landed by Fury even In winning.

kbackup408 · Post by **kbackup408** » 13 Dec 2016, 14:10

I think if AJ has the mindset that Klit is shot and too old that will be his biggest mistake.

WK still has one of the most robotic and refined jabs and he has a solid right hand but currently I think AJ and Wilder both beat him.

tiny_acres · Post by **tiny_acres** » 13 Dec 2016, 14:53

It's hard to tell. He looked less than spectacular against Jennings. And down right pathetic against Fury.
He's very old for a fighter and the ring rust may hurt him against Joshua.
I have no idea how he is going to look come fight time.
I would like to see him win and go out on top.
He may have been the most boring champion in history.
But he appears to be a good guy and role model.
Win and retire

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 13 Dec 2016, 14:58

At least a few I'd imagine, but I don't know who for sure. If he's able to beat Joshua in April he should retire off of that triumph because that would definitely be a great final victory to go out on. It would arguably be his career best win, especially if Joshua still goes on to be a great Champion.

lillywhite14 · Post by **lillywhite14** » 13 Dec 2016, 14:59

It could potentially be none. Just as it could be 3/4.

I'll plump for 2 off that list. Fury, again, although he beat him by a fraction first time round and Joshua. Both based on Wlad being past it, which he undoubtedly is. Boxers aren't at their peak at his age. It's just not physically possible. Prime Wlad beats both, probably 7/8 times out of 10.

It's a shame how it's all worked out. If only Wlad was a bit younger. I still get the feeling we don't really know how good Fury might be and we certainly don't know how good Joshua is.

BitPlayer · Post by **BitPlayer** » 13 Dec 2016, 17:25

lillywhite14 wrote:It could potentially be none. Just as it could be 3/4.

I'll plump for 2 off that list. Fury, again, although he beat him by a fraction first time round and Joshua. Both based on Wlad being past it, which he undoubtedly is. Boxers aren't at their peak at his age. It's just not physically possible. Prime Wlad beats both, probably 7/8 times out of 10.

It's a shame how it's all worked out. If only Wlad was a bit younger. I still get the feeling we don't really know how good Fury might be and we certainly don't know how good Joshua is.

Fury beat him easilly the first time.

wesshaw1985 · Post by **wesshaw1985** » 13 Dec 2016, 17:32

one man, Tyson Fury...

ElJefe · Post by **ElJefe** » 13 Dec 2016, 17:51

Fury - Definitely can.
Joshua - Possibly. Has youth, confidence, aggression and solid enough fundamentals, but remains untested.
Wilder - Punchers chance but lacks basics, still raw/wild. Wlad could be too smart.
Ortiz - Skilled against right opponent but would struggle to close the distance with his slow feet. Wlad stays outside to win a decision.
Parker - Willing and aggressive but not good enough defensively.
Povetkin, Pulev, Haye - Repeat.

Don't think anyone else is worth talking about.

davie · Post by **davie** » 13 Dec 2016, 18:06

Anywhere between 0-5 depending on a number of questions I don't have the answer to

I'd fancy Fury and Joshua would probably do it

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 14 Dec 2016, 08:27

I find it a little odd that people say he hasn't looked good in a while.... well yes, if you look at the months that he hasn't boxed as "in a while" - but people were raving about his win over Pulev - just two fights before Fury.

dalcumly · Post by **dalcumly** » 14 Dec 2016, 08:40

I've got say that excluding Fury, I don't think any heavyweight could beat Klitschko at the moment.The fight with Joshua will be fascinating . Fury confused Klitschko with his unorthodox approach and simply messed with his gameplan. I don't see anyway Joshua can avoid the big stiff jabs because he hasn't got movement or temperament to do it. Klitschko will make sure he doesn't walk onto big right hands. A wide points win for the veteran, a relatively un-exciting fight for the 'casuals' but fascinating for the purists.