MTK fighters banned from fighting in Ireland

[TheLeprechaun]

I can definitely understand where the Irish boxing union are coming from.

I wonder if authorities in Northern Ireland will follow suit?


https://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimed ... in-ireland

[DazDiCanio]

Shock horror at shady people being involved in boxing.

Everyone knows what they are about, they do a lot of good for boxing and boxers. Invested millions to the sport.

[Stuarty]

Fair enough I suppose. You don't want to be dodging bullets at weigh ins or fights. Feck that!

[Counter-puncher]

to be sure Gary Breen's a brave fella

[TheLeprechaun]

I think they've done a lot for boxing. They've given fighters opportunities to train and improve and helped them. It's understandable from the BUI but I don't think people give enough credit to what Macklin and Co have done. Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

[Counter-puncher]

Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

yeah, just imagine a world without IFL, how would we all cope?

off-topic: 'Mack The Knife' Promotions is the worst fucken promotional name EVER. its stupid. the song mack the Knife is about 60 years old and nobody EVER referred to Macklin as 'mack the fucken knife' anyway. which is a good thing, it was a crap nickname.

[mickey1975]

I think they've done a lot for boxing. They've given fighters opportunities to train and improve and helped them. It's understandable from the BUI but I don't think people give enough credit to what Macklin and Co have done. Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

People are ungrateful. Would we able to get quality sniff without this lot? That's the real question boxing fans, especially Matchroom show attendees, need to ask themselves.

[TheLeprechaun]

Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

yeah, just imagine a world without IFL, how would we all cope?

off-topic: 'Mack The Knife' Promotions is the worst fucken promotional name EVER. its stupid. the song mack the Knife is about 60 years old and nobody EVER referred to Macklin as 'mack the fucken knife' anyway. which is a good thing, it was a crap nickname.

Yeah agreed. They should have just dropped the M at the end and called it MG - Macklins Gym.

Or maybe MGP - Macklins Gym Promotions.

[Counter-puncher]

I think they've done a lot for boxing. They've given fighters opportunities to train and improve and helped them. It's understandable from the BUI but I don't think people give enough credit to what Macklin and Co have done. Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

People are ungrateful. Would we able to get quality sniff without this lot? That's the real question boxing fans, especially Matchroom show attendees, need to ask themselves.

[Counter-puncher]

Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

yeah, just imagine a world without IFL, how would we all cope?

off-topic: 'Mack The Knife' Promotions is the worst fucken promotional name EVER. its stupid. the song mack the Knife is about 60 years old and nobody EVER referred to Macklin as 'mack the fucken knife' anyway. which is a good thing, it was a crap nickname.

Yeah agreed. They should have just dropped the M at the end and called it MG - Macklins Gym.
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there's probably all sorts of better options they could have explored

you'd almost think it was all cobbled together by a marketing genius who's idea of expanding his market-base is shooting dealers who stand on the wrong corners

[billy nelson]

From my point of view MTK have given my fighters opportunities, Simmons in Germany (robbed), Brophy against Grooves, granted he lost but he learnt so much from that loss and Brophys currently in Oz to box for the Commonwealth Title
There's a lot of jealousy in our sport and it's the jealous ones who will always try to bring down the achievers,
MTK has certainly given Scottish boxing a boost, the sport was dying on its feet up here with dinner show after dinner show, now there's plenty public shows which imo is great

[ste1983]

Interesting to see if/how the bbboc respond

[mainman1]

From my point of view MTK have given my fighters opportunities, Simmons in Germany (robbed), Brophy against Grooves, granted he lost but he learnt so much from that loss and Brophys currently in Oz to box for the Commonwealth Title
There's a lot of jealousy in our sport and it's the jealous ones who will always try to bring down the achievers,
MTK has certainly given Scottish boxing a boost, the sport was dying on its feet up here with dinner show after dinner show, now there's plenty public shows which imo is great

Come on now Billy, you were the only person that thought Simmons was robbed in Germany. By all accounts it was a close fight but it was never a robbery.

David Brophy was a lamb to the slaughter against George Groves and although you are saying he learnt a lot, how much can you really learn from a one sided beat down? He never had one moment of success and I hope there is no lasting damage because David is a nice guy. I suppose Friday will tell us if he has improved or not and this fight although tough imo David Brophy can get the win and bring that belt back to Scotland so all the best on Friday and do you know if there is anyway we can watch the fight in OZ?

On MTK, don't you think that the fights you say were opportunities that any manager/promoter could have landed? Going to Germany to fight an unbeaten opponent, going to London to fight a Londoner in a fight with very little chance of winning and now Brophy travelling to OZ to take on the Commonwealth Champion from OZ. Liam Cameron has already travelled to OZ to take this guy on as an underdog(are MTK his manager/promoter?)

Look we all know that when you are training someone or working along side someone that they are the best thing since bread came sliced but are these really great opportunities? I would have been much more impressed if MTK had got the Noel Gevor and Zak Dunn fights in Glasgow or Edinburgh and giving their fighters a better chance to win when the odds were against them. That is something I have yet to see from MTK Scotland, really backing their fighters with a big bid in a purse bid. Isn't it true that Tommy Gilmour has won the purse bids for Gary Cornish vs Sam Sexton? (Heard this floating around) I can't ever remember Tommy Gilmour winning a purse bid in the last 10 years lol but he has outbid MTK Scotland for a bout that involves one of their fighters.

I hope that MTK do turn out to be the real deal but if they really want to impress everyone then I would like to see them manage their fighters into the position where they are in with a real chance of winning look at Charlie Edwards, he was never ready for world level and was thrown in at the deep end and stopped. There have been loads, I would like to see them take their time a bit more and build these guys and look after them and look to the long term where just now it seems they are too desperate to win something now and its the fighters that are taking the beatings for it.

[Tomasino]

Would we even have IFL if they weren't in boxing?

yeah, just imagine a world without IFL, how would we all cope?

off-topic: 'Mack The Knife' Promotions is the worst fucken promotional name EVER. its stupid. the song mack the Knife is about 60 years old and nobody EVER referred to Macklin as 'mack the fucken knife' anyway. which is a good thing, it was a crap nickname.

Well said, it's his own favourite nickname. Second place to the Tipperary Tornado

[billy nelson]

Here's my counter to your response, did you think Ricky burns fighting Alex Arthur when he did was a 50/50 fight? No is the answer but I will tell you this it was one of Ricky biggest learning fights in his career, same has david losing to George, do remember when these chance are offered the fighter can say no, to many fighters going around with 0 on there records and have fought nobody, then they get found out when stepped up even slightly in levels.
With regards to zac Dunn he is the champ with a great promoter behind him, why in a voluntary defence would he want to come to Glasgow you mad I assure you if the shoe was on the other foot and david was the champ the fight would be in Scotland.
It's actually Paul Graham that won the purse bids for Gary v Sam and I've no idea at this time what's happening

[mainman1]

Here's my counter to your response, did you think Ricky burns fighting Alex Arthur when he did was a 50/50 fight? No is the answer but I will tell you this it was one of Ricky biggest learning fights in his career, same has david losing to George, do remember when these chance are offered the fighter can say no, to many fighters going around with 0 on there records and have fought nobody, then they get found out when stepped up even slightly in levels.
With regards to zac Dunn he is the champ with a great promoter behind him, why in a voluntary defence would he want to come to Glasgow you mad I assure you if the shoe was on the other foot and david was the champ the fight would be in Scotland.
It's actually Paul Graham that won the purse bids for Gary v Sam and I've no idea at this time what's happening

here is a counter to your counter lol

I agree that taking fights as the underdog an even losing can teach you loads and Ricky Burns against both Alex Arthur and Carl Johanson learnt a great deal but to compare even the Alex Arthur one to David Brophy vs George Groves is absolute nonsense. Against both Arthur and Johanson, Ricky had spells in the fight where he was getting success and also he wasn't Ko'd inside 4 rounds with absolutely no success in the fight whatsoever. I like David Brophy and I will be willing him on to win Friday but what could he possibly have learned except don't share a ring with George Groves again?

Ok so maybe the Zak Dunn fight couldn't have happened over here but you know exactly what I am getting at, why aren't they bidding for fights for the likes of Stevie Simmons, David Brophy and getting them home advantage if they are such great promoters/managers? I have a lot of respect for you Billy but sometimes you really let your closeness to boxers/managers/promoters really cloud your usual good judgement.

As for the shoe on the other foot comment, once again I would point out that David Brophy would have to be travelling on the road to win the belt in the first place, you think that Warren or Hearn would have had their fighters going to OZ to fight for a Commonwealth title? I'm not sure they would. Same as I doubt that if Brophy was Commonwealth Champion and Warren or Hearn had a fighter they wanted to box for the belt that it would be in Scotland.

Ok so Paul Graham (Tommy Gilmour's Puppet) has won the purse bids, who do you think asked him to put that bid in? Paul doesn't bid for fights that are not his own fighters so why would he bother with this one?

[mullenman]

Is it ethically right to be involved with convicted crinimals?

[Sklar]

The ban is understandable given the events at the weigh in last year, the shooting of Jamie Moore, and the possibility of similar incidents and the risk to the public that goes with that.

[mainman1]

Is it ethically right to be involved with convicted crinimals?

I don't think that Daniel Kinihan has actually been convicted of anything but that dent mean he isn't at the heart of it though lol

I hope that there is nothing untoward with MTK promotions as they certainly putting on lots of shows in Scotland, lets see how MTK Scotland performs over the next few years and hopefully all of the badness associated with the MGM/MTK brand can go away with time. Maybe this is Daniel Kinihans way to go legit? The problem with that I suppose is that you open yourself to the likes of the attack in Ireland and the trouble near the gym in Marbella

[TheLeprechaun]

I think any boxing event would have additional security now so the attendees should be alright.

[Counter-puncher]

Maybe this is Daniel Kinihans way to go legit?

[Stuarty]

Is it ethically right to be involved with convicted crinimals?

I don't think that Daniel Kinihan has actually been convicted of anything but that dent mean he isn't at the heart of it though lol

I hope that there is nothing untoward with MTK promotions as they certainly putting on lots of shows in Scotland, lets see how MTK Scotland performs over the next few years and hopefully all of the badness associated with the MGM/MTK brand can go away with time. Maybe this is Daniel Kinihans way to go legit? The problem with that I suppose is that you open yourself to the likes of the attack in Ireland and the trouble near the gym in Marbella

We have folk up here that haven't been convicted of anything. They're still as dodgy as fukk! I know several people that have various business interests and they have never even been approached by the cops! I've worked for a few of them and the money that goes through these places is on another level. Lazy policing. There's certain people the dogs on the street know are crooked but our police seem to turn a blind eye? It's all money!

[Counter-puncher]

I know several people that have various business interests and they have never even been approached by the cops! I've worked for a few of them and the money that goes through these places is on another level. Lazy policing. There's certain people the dogs on the street know are crooked but our police seem to turn a blind eye? It's all money!

I suspect it's because investigating cases like that are time-and-(skilled)manpower-intensive, and time and (skilled) manpower are things the Police are rather short of

[Stuarty]

I know several people that have various business interests and they have never even been approached by the cops! I've worked for a few of them and the money that goes through these places is on another level. Lazy policing. There's certain people the dogs on the street know are crooked but our police seem to turn a blind eye? It's all money!

I suspect it's because investigating cases like that are time-and-(skilled)manpower-intensive, and time and (skilled) manpower are things the Police are rather short of

I'm no angel myself so I'm not complaining but there are fuckin stacks of folk that the police must know are at it! Sometimes there's no need for an investigation. It's plain as day!

[Counter-puncher]

I know several people that have various business interests and they have never even been approached by the cops! I've worked for a few of them and the money that goes through these places is on another level. Lazy policing. There's certain people the dogs on the street know are crooked but our police seem to turn a blind eye? It's all money!

I suspect it's because investigating cases like that are time-and-(skilled)manpower-intensive, and time and (skilled) manpower are things the Police are rather short of

I'm no angel myself so I'm not complaining but there are fuckin stacks of folk that the police must know are at it! Sometimes there's no need for an investigation. It's plain as day!

'would the prosecution like to begin their arguments?'

'thank you m'lud. he's guilty your honour, everybody knows it. Prosecution rests, m'lud'

Judge: