We just need more honesty from these business types. Hearn's dad's a cu-nt, so good chance he follows suit. And I like him but lately he's getting on my mangos!
Warren is like a wounded lion when speaking he's always having a jibe at others because that's how he reacts to Hearn or Eubank being prats.
I think Warren does great things for his fighters, as does Hearn but I reckon Fast Eddie ditches you if he can't make a dime off ya. Frank seems more loyal.
Us fans are pawns, take it as it is or just stop watching, simples.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:He's talking bollocks, fighters who sell out 14000 seat arenas can afford a rolex. What a load of horseshite.
Derek never sold out an Arena in his life, so what the eff does he know.
He didn't do a bad job helping to sell out Upton Park.
I think Derek's wild temperament would be much more helpful to promoters in helping to sell fights than someone well behaved and low key like Price for example.
Mayweather became self-promoted for the final and most lucrative bouts of his career. He did well, didn't he?
He was already developed and had a massive fanbase/hatebase. Your local window washer could have sold Floyd's last few fights. Floyd was a tremendous fighter and actor who played his role superbly. That doesn't necessarily reflect his business acumen.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Smartest operators in the history of boxing?
Mayweather became self-promoted for the final and most lucrative bouts of his career. He did well, didn't he?
He was already developed and had a massive fanbase/hatebase. Your local window washer could have sold Floyd's last few fights. Floyd was a tremendous fighter and actor who played his role superbly. That doesn't necessarily reflect his business acumen.
The fact that he played the role well. He knew to change his persona. It does speak to his business acumen.
Enlightened-One wrote:
Mayweather became self-promoted for the final and most lucrative bouts of his career. He did well, didn't he?
He was already developed and had a massive fanbase/hatebase. Your local window washer could have sold Floyd's last few fights. Floyd was a tremendous fighter and actor who played his role superbly. That doesn't necessarily reflect his business acumen.
The fact that he played the role well. He knew to change his persona. It does speak to his business acumen.
It's not as simple as that; the multiple domestic violence charges, the assault charges, the boring style, the over-inflated opinion of himself were the reason why people didn't like him. Basically he was able to embrace those aspects which weren't an act and then perhaps add a little touch here and there. Again, basically accepting you're a douchebag and then trying to act a little more douche-baggish here and there doesn't automatically make you a great businessman.
punchoutsb wrote:
He was already developed and had a massive fanbase/hatebase. Your local window washer could have sold Floyd's last few fights. Floyd was a tremendous fighter and actor who played his role superbly. That doesn't necessarily reflect his business acumen.
The fact that he played the role well. He knew to change his persona. It does speak to his business acumen.
It's not as simple as that; the multiple domestic violence charges, the assault charges, the boring style, the over-inflated opinion of himself were the reason why people didn't like him. Basically he was able to embrace those aspects which weren't an act and then perhaps add a little touch here and there. Again, basically accepting you're a douchebag and then trying to act a little more douche-baggish here and there doesn't automatically make you a great businessman.
He embraced it. First he was "pretty boy". The Gatti fight set the tone. To become the highest grossing boxer of all time. That had to come from being a great business man. People don't make that type of money or being the best at making money unless the business side is right. To keep fooling the public to hope loses is brilliant and suckers continue to line up hoping a hand picked opponent (Conor McGregor) can beat him. He has been to that well several times and it keeps working. That's smart business.
world ranked wrote:
The fact that he played the role well. He knew to change his persona. It does speak to his business acumen.
It's not as simple as that; the multiple domestic violence charges, the assault charges, the boring style, the over-inflated opinion of himself were the reason why people didn't like him. Basically he was able to embrace those aspects which weren't an act and then perhaps add a little touch here and there. Again, basically accepting you're a douchebag and then trying to act a little more douche-baggish here and there doesn't automatically make you a great businessman.
He embraced it. First he was "pretty boy". The Gatti fight set the tone. To become the highest grossing boxer of all time. That had to come from being a great business man. People don't make that type of money or being the best at making money unless the business side is right. To keep fooling the public to hope loses is brilliant and suckers continue to line up hoping a hand picked opponent (Conor McGregor) can beat him. He has been to that well several times and it keeps working. That's smart business.
Could you sell Floyd/McGregor? Could you have sold Floyd/Pac? Could you have sold Floyd/Virtually anyone? Yep, you could have because Mayweather was a bloody brilliant boxer and a very polarizing and popular individual. Again, beating your girlfriend in front of your children and then having TMZ film you saying you're TBE so that people hate you doesn't necessarily translate to business sense. I haven't followed him post retirement, but aside from the McGregor stuff has he been successful? Floyd was a larger than life figure, he built that reputation in and out of the ring...but that doesn't automatically make him a successful businessman. It makes his a famous person, and famous people are easy to sell. Famous disliked persons easier still...
punchoutsb wrote:
It's not as simple as that; the multiple domestic violence charges, the assault charges, the boring style, the over-inflated opinion of himself were the reason why people didn't like him. Basically he was able to embrace those aspects which weren't an act and then perhaps add a little touch here and there. Again, basically accepting you're a douchebag and then trying to act a little more douche-baggish here and there doesn't automatically make you a great businessman.
He embraced it. First he was "pretty boy". The Gatti fight set the tone. To become the highest grossing boxer of all time. That had to come from being a great business man. People don't make that type of money or being the best at making money unless the business side is right. To keep fooling the public to hope loses is brilliant and suckers continue to line up hoping a hand picked opponent (Conor McGregor) can beat him. He has been to that well several times and it keeps working. That's smart business.
Could you sell Floyd/McGregor? Could you have sold Floyd/Pac? Could you have sold Floyd/Virtually anyone? Yep, you could have because Mayweather was a bloody brilliant boxer and a very polarizing and popular individual. Again, beating your girlfriend in front of your children and then having TMZ film you saying you're TBE so that people hate you doesn't necessarily translate to business sense. I haven't followed him post retirement, but aside from the McGregor stuff has he been successful? Floyd was a larger than life figure, he built that reputation in and out of the ring...but that doesn't automatically make him a successful businessman. It makes his a famous person, and famous people are easy to sell. Famous disliked persons easier still...
I mean style wise Floyd is 12 round decision king, so he has to be a great seller and mouthpiece. He's a brand and anytime a lot of people know your brand and market yourself that business acumen. Anyone who market themselves correctly has business savvy.
world ranked wrote:
He embraced it. First he was "pretty boy". The Gatti fight set the tone. To become the highest grossing boxer of all time. That had to come from being a great business man. People don't make that type of money or being the best at making money unless the business side is right. To keep fooling the public to hope loses is brilliant and suckers continue to line up hoping a hand picked opponent (Conor McGregor) can beat him. He has been to that well several times and it keeps working. That's smart business.
Could you sell Floyd/McGregor? Could you have sold Floyd/Pac? Could you have sold Floyd/Virtually anyone? Yep, you could have because Mayweather was a bloody brilliant boxer and a very polarizing and popular individual. Again, beating your girlfriend in front of your children and then having TMZ film you saying you're TBE so that people hate you doesn't necessarily translate to business sense. I haven't followed him post retirement, but aside from the McGregor stuff has he been successful? Floyd was a larger than life figure, he built that reputation in and out of the ring...but that doesn't automatically make him a successful businessman. It makes his a famous person, and famous people are easy to sell. Famous disliked persons easier still...
I mean style wise Floyd is 12 round decision king, so he has to be a great seller and mouthpiece. He's a brand and anytime a lot of people know your brand and market yourself that business acumen. Anyone who market themselves correctly has business savvy.
I see your point, but I still don't agree. Steve Jobs was a great businessman, Kim Kardashian is not. Both had more money than one could need for vastly different reasons. Floyd is more Kardashian than Jobs. Floyd is a tool and people don't like him; they pay to see him lose. The reason he earned so much is because he's a fantastic boxer and never gave them what they wanted. He's no doubt a fantastic boxer, but not necessarily a fantastic businessman.
punchoutsb wrote:
Could you sell Floyd/McGregor? Could you have sold Floyd/Pac? Could you have sold Floyd/Virtually anyone? Yep, you could have because Mayweather was a bloody brilliant boxer and a very polarizing and popular individual. Again, beating your girlfriend in front of your children and then having TMZ film you saying you're TBE so that people hate you doesn't necessarily translate to business sense. I haven't followed him post retirement, but aside from the McGregor stuff has he been successful? Floyd was a larger than life figure, he built that reputation in and out of the ring...but that doesn't automatically make him a successful businessman. It makes his a famous person, and famous people are easy to sell. Famous disliked persons easier still...
I mean style wise Floyd is 12 round decision king, so he has to be a great seller and mouthpiece. He's a brand and anytime a lot of people know your brand and market yourself that business acumen. Anyone who market themselves correctly has business savvy.
I see your point, but I still don't agree. Steve Jobs was a great businessman, Kim Kardashian is not. Both had more money than one could need for vastly different reasons. Floyd is more Kardashian than Jobs. Floyd is a tool and people don't like him; they pay to see him lose. The reason he earned so much is because he's a fantastic boxer and never gave them what they wanted. He's no doubt a fantastic boxer, but not necessarily a fantastic businessman.
I disagree I think The Kardashian are even good business family. Floyd is known for money and boxing that out of ring doesn't get that much attention. He's not on TMZ a lot outside of boxing things. Has a clothing brand, promotional company with decent fighters. For me anyone with a named brand is successful in business. Promoting is part business his image is much bigger than his fighting game to me.
world ranked wrote:
I mean style wise Floyd is 12 round decision king, so he has to be a great seller and mouthpiece. He's a brand and anytime a lot of people know your brand and market yourself that business acumen. Anyone who market themselves correctly has business savvy.
I see your point, but I still don't agree. Steve Jobs was a great businessman, Kim Kardashian is not. Both had more money than one could need for vastly different reasons. Floyd is more Kardashian than Jobs. Floyd is a tool and people don't like him; they pay to see him lose. The reason he earned so much is because he's a fantastic boxer and never gave them what they wanted. He's no doubt a fantastic boxer, but not necessarily a fantastic businessman.
I disagree I think The Kardashian are even good business family. Floyd is known for money and boxing that out of ring doesn't get that much attention. He's not on TMZ a lot outside of boxing things. Has a clothing brand, promotional company with decent fighters. For me anyone with a named brand is successful in business. Promoting is part business his image is much bigger than his fighting game to me.
We'll agree to disagree then, and thank you for keeping it civil!
Chisora is a mumbling fool, no surprises there. But the interviewer was just as clueless. Whats with mentioning Eddie Hearn like a broken record. Probably he doesn't know anyone else. But Chisora never was a Matchroom fighter. He is not in the position to judge how Hearns treat their fighters. Pathetic interview.
bigman1968 wrote:So don't deal with promoters, stay amateur and work in McDonalds to pay rent
Exactly, or set yourself up as a promoter, and lose all your money.
He's a Daft pudendum.
The Klitschko's have done alright ;)
Klitchko's background are very not typical to pro boxers. They come from educated middle class family (father colonel in USSR army and mother was a school teacher). They grow up in military bases and not in ghettos or favelas. And they are 25% jewish
