If Golovkin loses to Canelo, then where he goes ?

apollo creed · Post by **apollo creed** » 10 May 2017, 12:07

If Canelo loses, he is young enough to bounce back but if GGG loses what he should do ? Rematch Jacobs, move at 168 or retire ?

verlichte · Post by **verlichte** » 10 May 2017, 12:24

apollo creed wrote:If Golovkin loses to Canelo, then where he goes ?

Abel Sanchez has openly admitted that he has no intention of allowing Golovkin to share the ring with Danny Jacobs for another “five or six fights” (his actual words), which is another way of saying that they don't want the fight.

It would be disastrous for Gennady if Jacobs avenged his defeat, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility, as this would mean that Golovkin would have suffered two losses in quick succession. So I don't feel that the rematch would ever happen.

Team GGG have always boasted that Golovkin is physically able to compete from 154lbs to 175lbs, with none of the men in those weight divisions capable of defeating him.

Therefore, if GGG loses to Canelo, it would be long overdue for Gennady Golovkin to finally justify his long-term boasts that he has maintained for at least five years, by making the jump to 168lbs to face the likes of James DeGale or Gilberto Ramirez... or perhaps engage in a 172lbs catch-weight bout against the winner of the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 10 May 2017, 12:36

I kinda doubt GGG ever fights beyond 160 pounds. He's a natural middleweight. He and his team always made those claims about fighting bigger men because they were desperate for more notoriety and money making opportunities. Now that the money making opportunities have finally come to him at 160 pounds, I doubt you ever hear any more talk of moving up in weight from him or his team. At least not anytime soon.

verlichte · Post by **verlichte** » 10 May 2017, 12:55

gilgamesh wrote:I kinda doubt GGG ever fights beyond 160 pounds. He's a natural middleweight. He and his team always made those claims about fighting bigger men because they were desperate for more notoriety and money making opportunities. Now that the money making opportunities have finally come to him at 160 pounds, I doubt you ever hear any more talk of moving up in weight from him or his team. At least not anytime soon.

There are several videos on YouTube where Golovkin and his team cited the "154lbs to 175lbs" claims multiple times during the Kell Brook press conferences.

He has never made any effort whatsoever to denounce or distance himself from these long-term boasts.

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » 10 May 2017, 12:56

Go down to 154.

Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 10 May 2017, 13:01

If he loses by controversial decision there will be great pressure for a rematch. If he loses clearly he could try to jump into the SMW Super Series.

MachoTime · Post by **MachoTime** » 10 May 2017, 13:23

I do agree Jacobs came pretty close to beating GGG. What's interesting is this topic might not have been discussed a year or two ago. Ask me a year or two ago I would certainly say GGG beats Canelo probably by KO. Now I think it's going to be close can't underestimate Canelo.

As for being back on topic it would depend on how the fight with Canelo went if GGG lost.

apollo creed · Post by **apollo creed** » 10 May 2017, 13:26

Better fight than Canelo is a rematch with Canelo.

But for that to happen the result of their 1st fight must be very controversial.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 10 May 2017, 13:29

He won't. But if he did, a farewell fight in Kazakhstan. In reality, he beats Canelo then fights in LV, NYC or Uk against Saunders.

I know Canelo has a rematch clause, but I expect GGG to KO him. Golden Boy won't want another one of those.

apollo creed · Post by **apollo creed** » 10 May 2017, 13:30

verlichte wrote:
apollo creed wrote:If Golovkin loses to Canelo, then where he goes ?
Abel Sanchez has openly admitted that he has no intention of allowing Golovkin to share the ring with Danny Jacobs for another “five or six fights” (his actual words), which is another way of saying that they don't want the fight.

It would be disastrous for Gennady if Jacobs avenged his defeat, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility, as this would mean that Golovkin would have suffered two losses in quick succession. So I don't feel that the rematch would ever happen.

Team GGG have always boasted that Golovkin is physically able to compete from 154lbs to 175lbs, with none of the men in those weight divisions capable of defeating him.

Therefore, if GGG loses to Canelo, it would be long overdue for Gennady Golovkin to finally justify his long-term boasts that he has maintained for at least five years, by making the jump to 168lbs to face the likes of James DeGale or Gilberto Ramirez... or perhaps engage in a 172lbs catch-weight bout against the winner of the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

How long they want to have GGG fighting ? He's 35 y/o. After 6 fights he's gonna be 36-37 y/o. If they can do a rematch with Canelo then good , if not they should find the best remunerative fight for GGG THEN RETIRE.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 10 May 2017, 13:32

apollo creed wrote:
verlichte wrote:
apollo creed wrote:If Golovkin loses to Canelo, then where he goes ?
Abel Sanchez has openly admitted that he has no intention of allowing Golovkin to share the ring with Danny Jacobs for another “five or six fights” (his actual words), which is another way of saying that they don't want the fight.

It would be disastrous for Gennady if Jacobs avenged his defeat, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility, as this would mean that Golovkin would have suffered two losses in quick succession. So I don't feel that the rematch would ever happen.

Team GGG have always boasted that Golovkin is physically able to compete from 154lbs to 175lbs, with none of the men in those weight divisions capable of defeating him.

Therefore, if GGG loses to Canelo, it would be long overdue for Gennady Golovkin to finally justify his long-term boasts that he has maintained for at least five years, by making the jump to 168lbs to face the likes of James DeGale or Gilberto Ramirez... or perhaps engage in a 172lbs catch-weight bout against the winner of the Ward-Kovalev rematch.
How long they want to have GGG fighting ? He's 35 y/o. After 6 fights he's gonna be 36-37 y/o. If they can rematch Canelo then good , if not they should fight a the best remunerative fight for GGG THEN RETIRE.

I think people think he's a HW.... IMO, he's past his prime but will beat Canelo.

Ossyrules · Post by **Ossyrules** » 10 May 2017, 15:14

verlichte wrote:
apollo creed wrote:If Golovkin loses to Canelo, then where he goes ?
Abel Sanchez has openly admitted that he has no intention of allowing Golovkin to share the ring with Danny Jacobs for another “five or six fights” (his actual words), which is another way of saying that they don't want the fight.

It would be disastrous for Gennady if Jacobs avenged his defeat, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility, as this would mean that Golovkin would have suffered two losses in quick succession. So I don't feel that the rematch would ever happen.

Team GGG have always boasted that Golovkin is physically able to compete from 154lbs to 175lbs, with none of the men in those weight divisions capable of defeating him.

Therefore, if GGG loses to Canelo, it would be long overdue for Gennady Golovkin to finally justify his long-term boasts that he has maintained for at least five years, by making the jump to 168lbs to face the likes of James DeGale or Gilberto Ramirez... or perhaps engage in a 172lbs catch-weight bout against the winner of the Ward-Kovalev rematch.

The claim I heard is that nobody from 154-168 can do 12 rounds with him. His trainer. They won't be the first or last to make boasts within boxing.

I didn't click anything in the vote as none are the route I'd go

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 10 May 2017, 15:48

where is Canelo rematch option?

Jip · Post by **Jip** » 10 May 2017, 15:49

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 10 May 2017, 16:59

It depends on how he loses. If it is a convincing win by Canelo with no injuries involved, then Golovkin should retire.

Taansend · Post by **Taansend** » 10 May 2017, 21:37

He'll fight Billy Joe Saunders in a Gypsy camp in Hertfordshire.

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 10 May 2017, 23:59

apollo creed wrote:If Canelo loses, he is young enough to bounce back but if GGG loses what he should do ? Rematch Jacobs, move at 168 or retire ?

It was a legitimate question to ask when GGG fought Jacobs. The man is 6 feet tall and can box and punch slicker than shiitt. But Canelo has stayed away from high level boxers most of his career, because when he faced guys like Lara or Mayweather he got his ass kicked and needs help with the judges, which he gets.. That's what the laughable SD and MD were all about in those fights.. He'll be 27 when he fights GGG and he was 22 when he signed for Floyd -- so he has an extra 5 years of maturity going for him -- and Golovkin is 5 years older.. That's nice -- they tried to get the timing just right.. Golovkin even said, "If I destroy Jacobs he won't fight me. If I struggle with Jacobs he'll fight me." GGG fought his best, but Jacobs is just that good.

I think right now Golovkin is going to make this fight happen.. He's going to be at his best and give a virtuoso performance.. Golovkin has one of the best jabs in Boxing.. He has one of best left hooks in Boxing.. He has one of the sharpest right hand counters in Boxing.. He has one of the best body attacks in Boxing.. He's one of the best combination punchers in Boxing.. He's one of the better defenders in Boxing, having never been hurt - and never knocked down in 387 amateur and professional fights.. He's never suffered a bad cut and he's never been knocked wobbly like Mayweather...who was on the verge of being knocked out by an old man.. Canelo was knocked down and hurt by Jose Cotto, not a real good fighter.

The question shouldn't be "What will Triple-G do if he loses." The question should be "What will Canelo do when he loses -- if he actually shows up?"

People posed the question "What will Canelo do if he loses to Chavez?" ... That's like asking "What will Anthony Joshua do if he loses to Eric Molina?"

Anything can happen, but if you eat breakfast and head off for work, chances are you'll get there.. Nobody asks, "What happens if John doesn't show up?”

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 11 May 2017, 00:16

Kalan wrote:
apollo creed wrote:If Canelo loses, he is young enough to bounce back but if GGG loses what he should do ? Rematch Jacobs, move at 168 or retire ?
It was a legitimate question to ask when GGG fought Jacobs. The man is 6 feet tall and can box and punch slicker than shiitt. But Canelo has stayed away from high level boxers most of his career, because when he faced guys like Lara or Mayweather he got his ass kicked and needs help with the judges, which he gets.. That's what the laughable SD and MD were all about in those fights.. He'll be 27 when he fights GGG and he was 22 when he signed for Floyd -- so he has an extra 5 years of maturity going for him -- and Golovkin is 5 years older.. That's nice -- they tried to get the timing just right.. Golovkin even said, "If I destroy Jacobs he won't fight me. If I struggle with Jacobs he'll fight me." GGG fought his best, but Jacobs is just that good.

I think right now Golovkin is going to make this fight happen.. He's going to be at his best and give a virtuoso performance.. Golovkin has one of the best jabs in Boxing.. He has one of best left hooks in Boxing.. He has one of the sharpest right hand counters in Boxing.. He has one of the best body attacks in Boxing.. He's one of the best combination punchers in Boxing.. He's one of the better defenders in Boxing, having never been hurt - and never knocked down in 387 amateur and professional fights.. He's never suffered a bad cut and he's never been knocked wobbly like Mayweather...who was on the verge of being knocked out by an old man.. Canelo was knocked down and hurt by Jose Cotto, not a real good fighter.

The question shouldn't be "What will Triple-G do if he loses." The question should be "What will Canelo do when he loses -- if he actually shows up?"

People posed the question "What will Canelo do if he loses to Chavez?" ... That's like asking "What will Anthony Joshua do if he loses to Eric Molina?"

Anything can happen, but if you eat breakfast and head off for work, chances are you'll get there.. Nobody asks, "What happens if John doesn't show up?”

What if John is pretty old and could suffer a shoulder injury or another health issue on his way to work? Or even what if he catches a flu which hits him on his way to work?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 11 May 2017, 00:48

Where's the rematch Alvarez option?

Surely a long reigning champion would want the chance to get his title back off the man who took it from him?

caldo2025 · Post by **caldo2025** » 11 May 2017, 06:17

It is a very interesting question posed here. GGG and Canelo both have similar stories and have defied some insurmountable odds to be headlining the biggest prize fight in many years. I expect that a loss by either guy to be excruciating. Canelo is younger and I expect that he will bounce back and be involved in many more big fights. But GGG....that's tough. He's got a young family and more money than he's ever expected to have.

My guess is that if GGG loses, it will be as a result of a bad decision so I think it might mean his last fight and he'll exit the game like Hagler did.

fightfan95 · Post by **fightfan95** » 11 May 2017, 06:29

If he loses. I reckon he will go up. Although he is a natural middleweight, I don't think the jump would harm him. The SMW division has always been strong, and I think it's the weakest it's been for a while (I know you have the likes of Ramirez, DeGale, Groves, Smith) but I would make GGG a favourite against the top 5 in SMW.

But obviously, he will chase the rematch with Canelo if he loses.

Can't see him retiring, a career like GGG's and the whole KO artist reputation around him, he wouldn't go out on a loss.

I also can't see him re-matching Jacobs - however, this is what I would want him to do.

apollo creed · Post by **apollo creed** » 11 May 2017, 11:43

IMO even if GGG loses controversial or not and a rematch won't happen from whatever reason, a good plan for him is to get fights in UK against guys like Eubank Jr, Groves and DeGale. Also Ramirez is another good option.

Perseus · Post by **Perseus** » 11 May 2017, 22:00

Poll needs an "other" option.

GGG will not retire before the networks lose interest in him and his ability to sell tickets and create knockouts.
Retirement before that time is not an option.
Team GGG has made it very clear that they want no part of a Jacobs rematch, that's not an option either.
Move up to 168 is an option but GGG won't go there.
A rematch with Canelo would entirely up to team Canelo.......don't hold your breath waiting on that one.

IF he were to lose in September GGG will be back a few months later against a blown up junior middleweight who is there to collect a paycheck

BitPlayer · Post by **BitPlayer** » 12 May 2017, 05:10

He'd probably want a rematch with Canelo.

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 12 May 2017, 06:32

boxing_rocks wrote:
Kalan wrote:
apollo creed wrote:If Canelo loses, he is young enough to bounce back but if GGG loses what he should do ? Rematch Jacobs, move at 168 or retire ?
It was a legitimate question to ask when GGG fought Jacobs. The man is 6 feet tall and can box and punch slicker than shiitt. But Canelo has stayed away from high level boxers most of his career, because when he faced guys like Lara or Mayweather he got his ass kicked and needs help with the judges, which he gets.. That's what the laughable SD and MD were all about in those fights.. He'll be 27 when he fights GGG and he was 22 when he signed for Floyd -- so he has an extra 5 years of maturity going for him -- and Golovkin is 5 years older.. That's nice -- they tried to get the timing just right.. Golovkin even said, "If I destroy Jacobs he won't fight me. If I struggle with Jacobs he'll fight me." GGG fought his best, but Jacobs is just that good.

I think right now Golovkin is going to make this fight happen.. He's going to be at his best and give a virtuoso performance.. Golovkin has one of the best jabs in Boxing.. He has one of best left hooks in Boxing.. He has one of the sharpest right hand counters in Boxing.. He has one of the best body attacks in Boxing.. He's one of the best combination punchers in Boxing.. He's one of the better defenders in Boxing, having never been hurt - and never knocked down in 387 amateur and professional fights.. He's never suffered a bad cut and he's never been knocked wobbly like Mayweather...who was on the verge of being knocked out by an old man.. Canelo was knocked down and hurt by Jose Cotto, not a real good fighter.

The question shouldn't be "What will Triple-G do if he loses." The question should be "What will Canelo do when he loses -- if he actually shows up?"

People posed the question "What will Canelo do if he loses to Chavez?" ... That's like asking "What will Anthony Joshua do if he loses to Eric Molina?"

Anything can happen, but if you eat breakfast and head off for work, chances are you'll get there.. Nobody asks, "What happens if John doesn't show up?”
What if John is pretty old and could suffer a shoulder injury or another health issue on his way to work? Or even what if he catches a flu which hits him on his way to work?

You're missing my point completely. Nothing is going to happen to John. He going to show up for work like he does every other day. When you shove a loaded clip into a gun that's in good repair.. and it's properly loaded.. once you start pulling the trigger, bullets are going to fly out that barrel. There's not too many things that could go wrong.. If you have a boxing match and one combatant has better boxing and punching skills than the other.. and he also happens to be taller, tougher, more experienced, and has more punching power -- he's pretty much going to win. Nothing is going to go sideways.