Top Rank and Bob Arum: Bad for Boxing

[caldo2025]

Does anyone else notice Uncle Bob and his Top Rank fighters sitting idly by while the other promoters are risking their best talents to give us an entertaining 2017? Top Rank has 2 of the consensus top 5 P4P fighters (TC.Loma) and their matchups couldn't be less entertaining. Some are excited about TC's unification fight with Indongo but that fight, sorry to say, is going to be garbage and a mismatch. Loma is set to fight some guy named Marriage by years end..oh how exciting. Way to go Bob. If you look up and down the list of Top Rank fighters in 2017, you won't find one with a significant or entertaining fight for the majority of fans. Now it looks like he's going to land Beiterbev too so we can add him to the list and he's a perfect candidate for unappealing fights since that's all he takes for fights so far.

It's obvious that Uncle Bob is sitting with his feet up far away from the battlefield while others fight the war. He's going to benefit no matter what so why risk his talent in a year where fans are satisfied and demand increasing? He couldn't care less about entertaining fans and never has. He's a scavenger in every sense of the word and he's going to be one until they put him in the ground. He's been tucking it to fans for decades and i'm tired of it.

[Ossyrules]

I can't answer the general question, but I think it's harsh to criticise the crawford indongo fight. It may turn out a mismatch, but it's for all the vents it's so rare. That should be encouraged.

Loma is a unique situation to manage. Brilliant but also needs a shade of careful management. The salido situation proved that. Otherwise he should have been chucked in with garcia

[montrealsuper]

none of haymon's fighters are calling out Loma or Crawford. NONE.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nobody is more inactive than PBC fighters.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I can't answer the general question, but I think it's harsh to criticise the crawford indongo fight. It may turn out a mismatch, but it's for all the vents it's so rare. That should be encouraged.

Loma is a unique situation to manage. Brilliant but also needs a shade of careful management. The salido situation proved that. Otherwise he should have been chucked in with garcia

I don't know that Garcia/Loma is an option. I mean the dude took off 2 and a half years to get away from Arum.

[Ossyrules]

I can't answer the general question, but I think it's harsh to criticise the crawford indongo fight. It may turn out a mismatch, but it's for all the vents it's so rare. That should be encouraged.

Loma is a unique situation to manage. Brilliant but also needs a shade of careful management. The salido situation proved that. Otherwise he should have been chucked in with garcia

I don't know that Garcia/Loma is an option. I mean the dude took off 2 and a half years to get away from Arum.

No probably wasn't

[Badhusker]

I can't answer the general question, but I think it's harsh to criticise the crawford indongo fight. It may turn out a mismatch, but it's for all the vents it's so rare. That should be encouraged.

Loma is a unique situation to manage. Brilliant but also needs a shade of careful management. The salido situation proved that. Otherwise he should have been chucked in with garcia

I don't know that Garcia/Loma is an option. I mean the dude took off 2 and a half years to get away from Arum.

I doubt it will ever happen....just like Arum didn't want Rigo vs Lomo. Rigo and Garcia are probably hated by Arum more than anyone else, and he won't take a chance that they might upset his stars. Rigo vs Donaire is an example of that.

I can see Garcia going to 135 for Linares, but other than that he will be 140 I think. (Unless Crawford stays at 140, then he will go to 147, then drop back down when Crawford moves up)

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I can't answer the general question, but I think it's harsh to criticise the crawford indongo fight. It may turn out a mismatch, but it's for all the vents it's so rare. That should be encouraged.

Loma is a unique situation to manage. Brilliant but also needs a shade of careful management. The salido situation proved that. Otherwise he should have been chucked in with garcia

I don't know that Garcia/Loma is an option. I mean the dude took off 2 and a half years to get away from Arum.

I doubt it will ever happen....just like Arum didn't want Rigo vs Lomo. Rigo and Garcia are probably hated by Arum more than anyone else, and he won't take a chance that they might upset his stars. Rigo vs Donaire is an example of that.

I can see Garcia going to 135 for Linares, but other than that he will be 140 I think. (Unless Crawford stays at 140, then he will go to 147, then drop back down when Crawford moves up)

Crawford is also Arum, I don't doubt that Mikey would fight either one of them. He could beat Lomachenko imo, Crawford is outside of anyone but Spence in my eyes.

[KiwiRider]

There has always been a promoter deemed bad for boxing. At the moment it seems old Bob took the mantle from Don King.
Crawford and Loma are stand out fighters, and with that comes difficulty in finding guys willing to fight them.
Loma keeps moving up because at the lower weights he couldn't get a fight...

[caldo2025]

There has always been a promoter deemed bad for boxing. At the moment it seems old Bob took the mantle from Don King.
Crawford and Loma are stand out fighters, and with that comes difficulty in finding guys willing to fight them.
Loma keeps moving up because at the lower weights he couldn't get a fight...

Unfortunately, you are correct. Boxing has always had certain key players mucking it up. But I really thought that fans put the scare into promoters in 2016 by turning it off and not watching. I really thought that we'd see promoters trying to outdo each other with better and better cards and matchups. Fan reaction to horrible fights is why we ended up with such a great boxing year so far. Fan reaction lead to shrinking network budgets for HBO and horrible ratings for the pathetic product they tried to spoon us.

To me, it only proves that it's the same old same old. 2018 will probably more resemble 2016 than 2017. These young promoters need to continue to keep pushing out great fights to push the old men out of the game..all of them.

[DaveyMac]

I would venture that Top Rank has done more great fights over the last fifty years than all the other US promoters combined.


So maybe he doesn't entirely suck.

[KiwiRider]

I would venture that Top Rank has done more great fights over the last fifty years than all the other US promoters combined.


So maybe he doesn't entirely suck.

And Matchroom have done some of the best fights in the last 2-3 years
Top Rank need to step it up.
Fans are not as interested in preserveing perfect records as some promoters are.
Fans want fighters to face the best and have real champions.
Look at George Groves - puts bums on seats, and his record in the US would almost make him a journeyman.

[Mexi-Box]

Gaymon and PBC are worse.

[Jip]

Terence should face spence and loma should face linares.

[Ossyrules]

I don't know that Garcia/Loma is an option. I mean the dude took off 2 and a half years to get away from Arum.

I doubt it will ever happen....just like Arum didn't want Rigo vs Lomo. Rigo and Garcia are probably hated by Arum more than anyone else, and he won't take a chance that they might upset his stars. Rigo vs Donaire is an example of that.

I can see Garcia going to 135 for Linares, but other than that he will be 140 I think. (Unless Crawford stays at 140, then he will go to 147, then drop back down when Crawford moves up)

Crawford is also Arum, I don't doubt that Mikey would fight either one of them. He could beat Lomachenko imo, Crawford is outside of anyone but Spence in my eyes.

I'm completely on this page. Garcia is a real fight for Loma. That's a live one

Crawford is pure quality. Spence could beat him due to physical advantages though. That's another live fight

[caldo2025]

I doubt it will ever happen....just like Arum didn't want Rigo vs Lomo. Rigo and Garcia are probably hated by Arum more than anyone else, and he won't take a chance that they might upset his stars. Rigo vs Donaire is an example of that.

I can see Garcia going to 135 for Linares, but other than that he will be 140 I think. (Unless Crawford stays at 140, then he will go to 147, then drop back down when Crawford moves up)

Crawford is also Arum, I don't doubt that Mikey would fight either one of them. He could beat Lomachenko imo, Crawford is outside of anyone but Spence in my eyes.

I'm completely on this page. Garcia is a real fight for Loma. That's a live one

Crawford is pure quality. Spence could beat him due to physical advantages though. That's another live fight

We'll see how good Garcia really is in a couple days. I personally feel that he's vastly overrated because of his famous trainer brother and his cherry picking 3 division world titles he's grabbed. He hasn't done NEARLY enough in the sport in my eyes to be so highly considered. Broner is a perfect measuring stick fight where we can actually see how good Mikey really is. If he smokes Broner, i'll admit i'm an idiot. If he struggles to beat Broner or loses the fight, he's exactly what I thought he was.

[Ossyrules]

Crawford is also Arum, I don't doubt that Mikey would fight either one of them. He could beat Lomachenko imo, Crawford is outside of anyone but Spence in my eyes.

I'm completely on this page. Garcia is a real fight for Loma. That's a live one

Crawford is pure quality. Spence could beat him due to physical advantages though. That's another live fight

We'll see how good Garcia really is in a couple days. I personally feel that he's vastly overrated because of his famous trainer brother and his cherry picking 3 division world titles he's grabbed. He hasn't done NEARLY enough in the sport in my eyes to be so highly considered. Broner is a perfect measuring stick fight where we can actually see how good Mikey really is. If he smokes Broner, i'll admit i'm an idiot. If he struggles to beat Broner or loses the fight, he's exactly what I thought he was.

Garcia is on catch up due to 2/3 years missed in the sport. I agree he needs big fights now. I'm going on what I see for his level rather than out and out proof. He's top level in my eyes though. He should handle AB I think

[caldo2025]

I'm completely on this page. Garcia is a real fight for Loma. That's a live one

Crawford is pure quality. Spence could beat him due to physical advantages though. That's another live fight

We'll see how good Garcia really is in a couple days. I personally feel that he's vastly overrated because of his famous trainer brother and his cherry picking 3 division world titles he's grabbed. He hasn't done NEARLY enough in the sport in my eyes to be so highly considered. Broner is a perfect measuring stick fight where we can actually see how good Mikey really is. If he smokes Broner, i'll admit i'm an idiot. If he struggles to beat Broner or loses the fight, he's exactly what I thought he was.

Garcia is on catch up due to 2/3 years missed in the sport. I agree he needs big fights now. I'm going on what I see for his level rather than out and out proof. He's top level in my eyes though. He should handle AB I think

I definitely agree that Mikey Garcia is top level so don't get me wrong i agree with that. But in my book, you don't get points for taking almost 3 years off because you don't want to satisfy a contractual agreement. This kid came back and all of sudden he's appearing in Top PPV lists. If you look at his resume, he's literally fought no one. The noteworthy fight was with Salido and that ending was stupid...stopping the fight and going to the cards on a broken nose? Give me a break. I've never seen that before.

Anyway, I hope that i'm wrong and he's as good as most think. The sport could use another stud. I've seen the kid dropped by a no name and not been really that impressed as most have yet.

[Counter-puncher]

Nobody is more inactive than PBC fighters.

PBC is baaaaad, m'kay

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nobody is more inactive than PBC fighters.

PBC is baaaaad, m'kay

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