GGG: Is He in Marvelous' Class?

[elmersalsa]

After watching GGG vs Canelo last weekend, I ask you guys what do you think of him? Is he in Matevelous Marvin Hagler's class?

Would he beat Marvelous more often than not?
Are his 18 straight middleweight title defenses won by knockout overrated?

[gilgamesh]

He's still not up there with Marvin Hagler just yet, but considering that Hagler is one of the VERY BEST Middleweights of all time, that's no big shame. GGG has had a hell of a run. I'll wait until his run atop the Middleweight mountain is over before I assess his place in history, but Hagler ranks up there with the best of the best at Middle, GGG's not there yet.

[BoxBuzz]

I think he'd beat Hagler, but would fall short against Monzon. In my lifetime, I see them in just that order.

Monzon
GGG
Hagler


And GGG would beat SRL.

[Dart340]

Yep, lucky to get a disputed decision over a relative nobody like Jacobs and then couldn't hurt a blown up welterweight like Canelo that all you guys crowed that he would dismember easily and he'd beat a monster like Hagler. Of course.

Hagler would beat down GGG like he did Sisson. Late rounds stoppage.

Monson would have him in a defensive shell by the 3rd or 4th round and win wide and painlessly.

[nobleart1978]

Sugar Ray Leonard would box Golovkins ears off !

If Kell Brook can do it albeit for just 1 round then Leonard would mince him up.

Golovkin has high cheekbones which swell up easy too.

[scorpio83]

Yep, lucky to get a disputed decision over a relative nobody like Jacobs and then couldn't hurt a blown up welterweight like Canelo that all you guys crowed that he would dismember easily and he'd beat a monster like Hagler. Of course.

Hagler would beat down GGG like he did Sisson. Late rounds stoppage.

Monson would have him in a defensive shell by the 3rd or 4th round and win wide and painlessly.

You mean Hagler would beat down GGG like he did Sibson, not Sisson Dart. However, I agree with you that Hagler and Monzon would each beat down GGG and beat him by decision in 15 rounds if GGG can show his stamina and durability.

Sugar Ray Leonard would box Golovkins ears off !

If Kell Brook can do it albeit for just 1 round then Leonard would mince him up.

Golovkin has high cheekbones which swell up easy too.

I would also agree with nobleart that Sugar Ray Leonard would box GGG's ears off better than the fight with the Marvelous One.

[Seamus]

NO !

[Keko]

Noooo

[Ricky_]

Golovkin is the best MW i have seen, but Hagler is before my time as a boxing fan, and i'm not sure watching back old fights on youtube really gives you the same sense as following a career in real time.

I feel like Golovkin needed to either stop Canelo, or at least floor him a couple of times to really cement his legacy. Even though i thought he dominated the middlerounds and won pretty clearly, my feeling at the final bell was Canelo is a sharper pugilist, and Golovkin is more a Tyson-esque 'force of nature'. Being overly reliant on an iron jaw never seems to bode well historically.

[Tony1244]

No. I was thinking that Hagler and Leonard would have beaten Canalo and GGG easily.

[Tomasino]

Golovkin is the best MW i have seen, but Hagler is before my time as a boxing fan, and i'm not sure watching back old fights on youtube really gives you the same sense as following a career in real time.

I feel like Golovkin needed to either stop Canelo, or at least floor him a couple of times to really cement his legacy. Even though i thought he dominated the middlerounds and won pretty clearly, my feeling at the final bell was Canelo is a sharper pugilist, and Golovkin is more a Tyson-esque 'force of nature'. Being overly reliant on an iron jaw never seems to bode well historically.

He was out thought and out manoeuvred by Canelo, but also had plenty of chances to let his hands go and didn't. Not in Haglers class. I'd pick Hearns and Leonard to win UD against GGG too.

[Ricky_]

Golovkin is the best MW i have seen, but Hagler is before my time as a boxing fan, and i'm not sure watching back old fights on youtube really gives you the same sense as following a career in real time.

I feel like Golovkin needed to either stop Canelo, or at least floor him a couple of times to really cement his legacy. Even though i thought he dominated the middlerounds and won pretty clearly, my feeling at the final bell was Canelo is a sharper pugilist, and Golovkin is more a Tyson-esque 'force of nature'. Being overly reliant on an iron jaw never seems to bode well historically.

He was out thought and out manoeuvred by Canelo, but also had plenty of chances to let his hands go and didn't. Not in Haglers class. I'd pick Hearns and Leonard to win UD against GGG too.

I'm not convinced Hearns would beat Golovkin, Hearns could be hurt and Golovkin is a relentless animal with incredible punching power. I don't think there's really too much you can score against Golovkin, he's beat everyone put in front of him, and the only 2 fighters who managed the distance are elite level in their own right.

[Tomasino]

Golovkin is the best MW i have seen, but Hagler is before my time as a boxing fan, and i'm not sure watching back old fights on youtube really gives you the same sense as following a career in real time.

I feel like Golovkin needed to either stop Canelo, or at least floor him a couple of times to really cement his legacy. Even though i thought he dominated the middlerounds and won pretty clearly, my feeling at the final bell was Canelo is a sharper pugilist, and Golovkin is more a Tyson-esque 'force of nature'. Being overly reliant on an iron jaw never seems to bode well historically.

He was out thought and out manoeuvred by Canelo, but also had plenty of chances to let his hands go and didn't. Not in Haglers class. I'd pick Hearns and Leonard to win UD against GGG too.

I'm not convinced Hearns would beat Golovkin, Hearns could be hurt and Golovkin is a relentless animal with incredible punching power. I don't think there's really too much you can score against Golovkin, he's beat everyone put in front of him, and the only 2 fighters who managed the distance are elite level in their own right.

If he couldn't land a bomb on Canelo he's no chance of doing it to Hearns. He'd be out jabbed and out manoeuvred all night, hardly get a punch off. At least the GGG who fought Canelo or Jacobs would.

[Ricky_]

He was out thought and out manoeuvred by Canelo, but also had plenty of chances to let his hands go and didn't. Not in Haglers class. I'd pick Hearns and Leonard to win UD against GGG too.

I'm not convinced Hearns would beat Golovkin, Hearns could be hurt and Golovkin is a relentless animal with incredible punching power. I don't think there's really too much you can score against Golovkin, he's beat everyone put in front of him, and the only 2 fighters who managed the distance are elite level in their own right.

If he couldn't land a bomb on Canelo he's no chance of doing it to Hearns. He'd be out jabbed and out manoeuvred all night, hardly get a punch off. At least the GGG who fought Canelo or Jacobs would.

Why? He landed a lot of good shots on Canelo, who is very compact and shells up nicely, Golovkins best shots were actually pretty accurate that negated the guard, few hooks behind the gloves, etc. Hearns was the oposite, tall, lanky and his chin was a big target, shot from the hip. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

[Tomasino]

I'm not convinced Hearns would beat Golovkin, Hearns could be hurt and Golovkin is a relentless animal with incredible punching power. I don't think there's really too much you can score against Golovkin, he's beat everyone put in front of him, and the only 2 fighters who managed the distance are elite level in their own right.

If he couldn't land a bomb on Canelo he's no chance of doing it to Hearns. He'd be out jabbed and out manoeuvred all night, hardly get a punch off. At least the GGG who fought Canelo or Jacobs would.

Why? He landed a lot of good shots on Canelo, who is very compact and shells up nicely, Golovkins best shots were actually pretty accurate that negated the guard, few hooks behind the gloves, etc. Hearns was the oposite, tall, lanky and his chin was a big target, shot from the hip. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

That's all GGG did land clean, the jab. He did the same with Jacobs. That's his two best opponents. He was neck and neck with Jacobs and I had him winning by three rounds against Canelo. By using the jab. He hardly got a right hand on the target all night. Neglected body punching, followed Canelo instead of cutting off ring and when he did cut it off he struggled to land anything but jabs. Hearns would box rings around him.

[Counter-puncher]

. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

well if he outjabbed Canelo, he'd surely have little problem doing the same to Hearns

[Ricky_]

. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

well if he outjabbed Canelo, he'd surely have little problem doing the same to Hearns

I think there's a disservice in this thread towards Canelo and Jacobs. Golovkin dropping 3-5 rounds in each fight is hardly a massive deal, you think Hearns makes easy work of either of them?

[Counter-puncher]

. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

well if he outjabbed Canelo, he'd surely have little problem doing the same to Hearns

I think there's a disservice in this thread towards Canelo and Jacobs. Golovkin dropping 3-5 rounds in each fight is hardly a massive deal, you think Hearns makes easy work of either of them?

I think, as should have been clear, that quote 'if its jabbing you're worried about', then GGG outjabbing short-armed, concrete-footed 5'8 Alvarez is a very poor barometer for assessing the question of whether GGG would be able to out-jab 6'2, long-armed, quite fleet of foot, master-jabber Tommy Hearns.

Tommy outjabbed 6'1 Lightheavyweight, the man who hardly threw any punch other than a jab, Virgil Hill, FFS.

[Ricky_]

well if he outjabbed Canelo, he'd surely have little problem doing the same to Hearns

I think there's a disservice in this thread towards Canelo and Jacobs. Golovkin dropping 3-5 rounds in each fight is hardly a massive deal, you think Hearns makes easy work of either of them?

I think, as should have been clear, that quote 'if its jabbing you're worried about', then GGG outjabbing short-armed, concrete-footed 5'8 Alvarez is a very poor barometer for assessing the question of whether GGG would be able to out-jab 6'2, long-armed, quite fleet of foot, master-jabber Tommy Hearns.

Tommy outjabbed 6'1 Lightheavyweight, the man who hardly threw any punch other than a jab, Virgil Hill, FFS.

How is Golovkin out-jabbing Canelo evidence that Hearns would out-jab Golovkin? Hearns couldn't keep Hagler off with the jab, I have a hard time believing he could keep Golovkin at distance for 12.

[Counter-puncher]

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How is Golovkin out-jabbing Canelo evidence that Hearns would out-jab Golovkin? .

it isn't

but then I didn't say that

i said that GGG outjabbing Canelo is shitty evidence he would out-jab Hearns. which it is.

[Ricky_]

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How is Golovkin out-jabbing Canelo evidence that Hearns would out-jab Golovkin? .

it isn't

but then I didn't say that

i said that GGG outjabbing Canelo is shitty evidence he would out-jab Hearns. which it is.

And like-wise, i didn't say he would outjab Hearns.

[Counter-puncher]

If he couldn't land a bomb on Canelo he's no chance of doing it to Hearns. He'd be out jabbed and out manoeuvred all night, hardly get a punch off. At least the GGG who fought Canelo or Jacobs would.

Why? He landed a lot of good shots on Canelo, who is very compact and shells up nicely, Golovkins best shots were actually pretty accurate that negated the guard, few hooks behind the gloves, etc. Hearns was the oposite, tall, lanky and his chin was a big target, shot from the hip. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

perhaps i am misunderstanding you, Tomasion suggested GGG would be outjabbed and outmanouevred by Hearns

its seems that in saying 'If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo' that you don't agree.

whereas someone with eyes would be able to see that as (1) a better mover and (2) a much better jabber than Canelo, Hearns would have an even easier time making sure GGG didn't corner him and had to fight at long distance, than canelo did. IE if Canelo a man with inferior jab and footwork to Hearns, could make sure GGG had to fight him at range, its sure-fire that Hearns would manage it.

[Ricky_]

If he couldn't land a bomb on Canelo he's no chance of doing it to Hearns. He'd be out jabbed and out manoeuvred all night, hardly get a punch off. At least the GGG who fought Canelo or Jacobs would.

Why? He landed a lot of good shots on Canelo, who is very compact and shells up nicely, Golovkins best shots were actually pretty accurate that negated the guard, few hooks behind the gloves, etc. Hearns was the oposite, tall, lanky and his chin was a big target, shot from the hip. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

perhaps i am misunderstanding you, Tomasion suggested GGG would be outjabbed and outmanouevred by Hearns

its seems that in saying 'If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo' that you don't agree.

whereas someone with eyes would be able to see that as (1) a better mover and (2) a much better jabber than Canelo, Hearns would have an even easier time making sure GGG didn't corner him and had to fight at long distance, than canelo did. IE if Canelo a man with inferior jab and footwork to Hearns, could make sure GGG had to fight him at range, its sure-fire that Hearns would manage it.

Canelo failed to keep the fight at range - he relied on being an accurate counter puncher when it came to getting off the ropes.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tommy would have no difficulty with canelo. Likely an early ko. GGG certainly could hurt hearns if he could catch him, he also could get outboxed or stopped. No, GGG is nowhere near hagler.

[Kalan]

If he couldn't land a bomb on Canelo he's no chance of doing it to Hearns. He'd be out jabbed and out manoeuvred all night, hardly get a punch off. At least the GGG who fought Canelo or Jacobs would.

Why? He landed a lot of good shots on Canelo, who is very compact and shells up nicely, Golovkins best shots were actually pretty accurate that negated the guard, few hooks behind the gloves, etc. Hearns was the oposite, tall, lanky and his chin was a big target, shot from the hip. If it's jabbing you're worried about, GGG clearly out-jabbed Canelo imo.

That's all GGG did land clean, the jab. He did the same with Jacobs. That's his two best opponents. He was neck and neck with Jacobs and I had him winning by three rounds against Canelo. By using the jab. He hardly got a right hand on the target all night. Neglected body punching, followed Canelo instead of cutting off ring and when he did cut it off he struggled to land anything but jabs. Hearns would box rings around him.

Hearns ate rights... Even slow and awkward Iran Barkley knocked Hearns down 3 X.. beating him twice, and also knocked him spark out... GGG would kill him.. Leonard would get over-powered and knocked out like the then undefeated Welterweight Kell Brook, who weighed in the 170's -- .. Canelo is one Hell of a lot bigger and faster fisted than Hagler whose feet were stuck in the mud..

That's why at only 32 Hagler had had nothing for a Welterweight like Leonard who came off a 3-year-layoff... Hagler wanted NO part of Mike McCallum or Michael Nunn -- and neither did Leonard, Duran, or Thomas "Hit me" Hearns... And Leonard was only 34 when Terry Norris boxed rings around him. Leonard was ducking Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, and Julian Jackson at the time.. They were the 3 Middleweight Champions who took over when Ray gave up the 160 title.