I think Tyson Fury vs AJ is The Fight at HW but I doubt Fury still has that strong desire to be in top shape

[apollo creed]

I think Fury is gonna come back only for that big payday against Joshua. He could prove us wrong if he beats one or two top fighters. The ideal scenario would be to first have one or two warm up fights to shake off that ring rust then fight a guy like Ortiz or Povetkin then go for Wilder or Parker. If he beats these guys then fight Joshua. Anyway the more likely scenario would be: a bum then Whyte, then AJ.

[candyslim]

I would love to see him get back in shape and take his place back at the top table. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but it's not looking good. It's a shame because the combination of his sheer physical size (height, reach, and optimal bulk) and his mobility and fighting style, give a peak Fury a much more realistic chance of beating Joshua than Wilder has, in my opinion.

I wouldn't suggest he'd turn up his nose at the money but I don't think that would be his prime motivation . Shame really because money can be such a motivator and he needs all the motivation he can get.

[Enlightened-One]

Four things that Tyson Fury has in abundance are speed, mobility, work-rate and stamina. He is also stylistically unorthodox, possesses a wide array of punches in his arsenal and has a proven ability to adapt.

If AJ keeps getting heavier, then those same four areas will eventually become his weaknesses. He is also a tad one-dimensional stylistically, but he does punch like a mule kick and has an excellent jab.

I wouldn't entirely dismiss Fury's chances against Joshua.

Of course AJ could throw a bomb that lands bang on the button and stops Fury early, but if that doesn't happen during the first half of their bout, then Tyson wins by decision or very late stoppage.

[candyslim]

I agree your assessment EO based on a Fury the night he beat Klitschko. It took him over a year to get him in the kind of shape he's been in recently - hours and hours of dedicated neglect and pursuit of decrepitude. It'll take a lot longer and some serious hard work to get him anywhere close to that (Klitschko fight) condition.

[ewenhay]

I would have backed Fury to beat Joshua when he was in shape. I doubt he will ever be in that kind of shape again. I think the Fury ship has well and truly sailed. He may come back to boxing but I think it will be a huge struggle for him to be competitive again both mentally and physically.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

If fury was in the greatest shape of his life he would get decimated.

[Ossyrules]

I agree in principle that fury is the biggest and toughest fight out there for Joshua, still pretty confident Joshua takes him out

The ship has sailed for fury anyway he’s done. In addition Joshua is going to keep getting better. He will have learnt more in the 11 vs Wlad than his previous 18 fights

[apollo creed]

Yeah, I think it's very hard for Fury to get back mentally and psychically in that kind of shape like when he fought Wlad. I think Fury just wants to cash out against AJ and he isn't interested anymore about performing greatly.

[Ossyrules]

Yeah, I think it's very hard for Fury to get back mentally and psychically in that kind of shape like when he fought Wlad. I think Fury just wants to cash out against AJ and he isn't interested anymore about performing greatly.

Throughout his career fury has persisted that he cares not about the money

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't think he's interested in Joshua. He's a partier, everyone that is uses social media at times when they shouldn't. He doesn't strike me as someone overly concerned with money. He was the heavyweight champ, 20 lagers and an 8 ball and it inevitably turns too "I'm coming back! None of those bums can touch me!". Then in the morning " 4 aspirin, a dozen scrambled, pound of bacon"

[gilgamesh]

AJ vs Wilder is the fight. They're both athletes. Fury is a fat man who was lucky to be in the ring the night the Heavyweight Champion decided not to fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Since everything is about being in shape and mentally there. If they were both optimum in both of those categories, bert Cooper would knock fury out cold.

[gilgamesh]

Since everything is about being in shape and mentally there. If they were both optimum in both of those categories, bert Cooper would knock fury out cold.

Indeed.

[Ossyrules]

AJ vs Wilder is the fight. They're both athletes. Fury is a fat man who was lucky to be in the ring the night the Heavyweight Champion decided not to fight.

Joshua vs wilder is the fight as fury is in the past now, so it’s a fantasy fight, but I can’t agree with the lack of credit fury gets for decidioning Wlad in Germany. The better man on the night won

[gilgamesh]

AJ vs Wilder is the fight. They're both athletes. Fury is a fat man who was lucky to be in the ring the night the Heavyweight Champion decided not to fight.

Joshua vs wilder is the fight as fury is in the past now, so it’s a fantasy fight, but I can’t agree with the lack of credit fury gets for decidioning Wlad in Germany. The better man on the night won

I'll never give Fury one single ounce of credit for that staring contest. He won on my scorecard in the worst fight ever. I acknowledge he deserved the decision, that's about as much credit as it's possible for me to give him for that. It wasn't a fight, and he's the luckiest man in the world to have had the most Prestigious title in the sport just handed to him like that.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Lack of credit? Those of us that aren't over the moon about that master class are a big time minority. He definitely deserves the win on his resume, that's a big one, I don't see why I have to pretend it was a Whitaker like performance. It was the worst title fight, action and tact, that I've ever seen.

[Ossyrules]

AJ vs Wilder is the fight. They're both athletes. Fury is a fat man who was lucky to be in the ring the night the Heavyweight Champion decided not to fight.

Joshua vs wilder is the fight as fury is in the past now, so it’s a fantasy fight, but I can’t agree with the lack of credit fury gets for decidioning Wlad in Germany. The better man on the night won

I'll never give Fury one single ounce of credit for that staring contest. He won on my scorecard in the worst fight ever. I acknowledge he deserved the decision, that's about as much credit as it's possible for me to give him for that. It wasn't a fight, and he's the luckiest man in the world to have had the most Prestigious title in the sport just handed to him like that.

It was a bad fight for sure, boxing serves up bad fights but it’s an exaggeration to say it was the worst ever. His cousin hughies fight was worse imo. I know we’ve disagreed on this point before so I’ve no intention of going there again mate.

[Ossyrules]

Lack of credit? Those of us that aren't over the moon about that master class are a big time minority. He definitely deserves the win on his resume, that's a big one, I don't see why I have to pretend it was a Whitaker like performance. It was the worst title fight, action and tact, that I've ever seen.

Who says you have pretend it was Whittaker esq. it was a bad fight, Sport serves us dull contests sometimes. It opened up the heavyweight scene at least.

You exaggerate that it’s the worst fight you’ve seen like the wilder guys exaggerate he’s the worst champ. Be realistic

[gilgamesh]

It was a bad fight for sure, boxing serves up bad fights but it’s an exaggeration to say it was the worst ever. His cousin hughies fight was worse imo. I know we’ve disagreed on this point before so I’ve no intention of going there again mate.

I didn't watch Hughie's fight. I don't doubt it was just as bad. Nothing COULD be worse than Fury vs Wlad. Equally as bad perhaps, but worse ain't even possible.

[gilgamesh]

Lack of credit? Those of us that aren't over the moon about that master class are a big time minority. He definitely deserves the win on his resume, that's a big one, I don't see why I have to pretend it was a Whitaker like performance. It was the worst title fight, action and tact, that I've ever seen.

Who says you have pretend it was Whittaker esq. it was a bad fight, Sport serves us dull contests sometimes. It opened up the heavyweight scene at least.

You exaggerate that it’s the worst fight you’ve seen like the wilder guys exaggerate he’s the worst champ. Be realistic

Actually Saad always goes back to a fight from the 80's as the Worst fight he's ever seen. Which he'll probably do now.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Lack of credit? Those of us that aren't over the moon about that master class are a big time minority. He definitely deserves the win on his resume, that's a big one, I don't see why I have to pretend it was a Whitaker like performance. It was the worst title fight, action and tact, that I've ever seen.

Who says you have pretend it was Whittaker esq. it was a bad fight, Sport serves us dull contests sometimes. It opened up the heavyweight scene at least.

You exaggerate that it’s the worst fight you’ve seen like the wilder guys exaggerate he’s the worst champ. Be realistic

I'm not exaggerating at all. I've never seen worse. I desperately wanted fury to win so it kept my attention in that way, but I've never sat through a worse title bout, in any division, in 40 years. Tubbs/page was relieved on my list. You don't have to agree, but pretending it's an outlandish claim is absurd

[Ossyrules]

It was a bad fight for sure, boxing serves up bad fights but it’s an exaggeration to say it was the worst ever. His cousin hughies fight was worse imo. I know we’ve disagreed on this point before so I’ve no intention of going there again mate.

I didn't watch Hughie's fight. I don't doubt it was just as bad. Nothing COULD be worse than Fury vs Wlad. Equally as bad perhaps, but worse ain't even possible.

You haven’t missed anything then don’t watch that fight is my advise

[Ossyrules]

Lack of credit? Those of us that aren't over the moon about that master class are a big time minority. He definitely deserves the win on his resume, that's a big one, I don't see why I have to pretend it was a Whitaker like performance. It was the worst title fight, action and tact, that I've ever seen.

Who says you have pretend it was Whittaker esq. it was a bad fight, Sport serves us dull contests sometimes. It opened up the heavyweight scene at least.

You exaggerate that it’s the worst fight you’ve seen like the wilder guys exaggerate he’s the worst champ. Be realistic

I'm not exaggerating at all. I've never seen worse. I desperately wanted fury to win so it kept my attention in that way, but I've never sat through a worse title bout, in any division, in 40 years. Tubbs/page was relieved on my list. You don't have to agree, but pretending it's an outlandish claim is absurd

It was a bad fight to watch I’m not disputing that, but it’s nit balanced to lay it all at the foot of Wlad being shite. Fury did what he needed to do for the decision win. It’s an achievement whichever way you look at it

Prentending otherwise is absurd

[gilgamesh]

It was a bad fight for sure, boxing serves up bad fights but it’s an exaggeration to say it was the worst ever. His cousin hughies fight was worse imo. I know we’ve disagreed on this point before so I’ve no intention of going there again mate.

I didn't watch Hughie's fight. I don't doubt it was just as bad. Nothing COULD be worse than Fury vs Wlad. Equally as bad perhaps, but worse ain't even possible.

You haven’t missed anything then don’t watch that fight is my advise

I was already planning not to

I have no interesting in seeing a Fury in any fight they're not highly likely to get knocked out in

[gilgamesh]

It was a bad fight to watch I’m not disputing that, but it’s nit balanced to lay it all at the foot of Wlad being shite. Fury did what he needed to do for the decision win. It’s an achievement whichever way you look at it

Prentending otherwise is absurd

Fury did what he needed to do for the win. I agree. He stood there in the ring. That's all that was needed.