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gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:07 Without old boxers?

So you're out and out saying that we should ignore the past just to fit your narrative?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:07 Without old boxers?

So you're out and out saying that we should ignore the past just to fit your narrative?

It's like the dumbest oxy moron. Top 50 ever without old. So is it Top 50 modern era boxers? After 1980? If it's modern era, then it isn't top 50 ever.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:43 Just for the hell of it. Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it so things could be changed around, but I'm sure I put a lot more thought into than Jip. He'd apparently just name the first 50 boxers that come to mind.

Top 50 Boxers ever (with old...because if you're talking Best ever, you're talking old school fighters)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Archie Moore
10. Sugar Ray Leonard
11. Joe Louis
12. Benny Leonard
13. Gene Tunney
14. Mickey Walker
15. Barney Ross
16. Joe Gans
17. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
18. Charley Burley
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Sandy Saddler
21. Ike Williams
22. Thomas Hearns
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Manny Pacquiao
25. Bob Fitzsimmons
26. Evander Holyfield
27. Pernell Whitaker
28. Bernard Hopkins
29. Larry Holmes
30. Michael Spinks
31. George Foreman
32. Bob Foster
33. Stanley Ketchel
34. Harold Johnson
35. Alexis Arguello
36. Roy Jones Jr.
37. Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez
38. Jimmy Wilde
39. Julio Cesar Chavez
40. Emile Griffith
41. Lennox Lewis
42. Erik Morales
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Billy Conn
45. Eder Jofre
46. Mike McCallum
47. Aaron Pryor
48. Carlos Ortiz
49. Nicoline Locche
50. Jack Dempsey

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:54 I look forward to your list considering that Jordan is a slow, basketballer. This should be good for a few cheap laughs

Jip wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:50 I will include some good old boxers.

New boxer, 1970-2018 became just better, more athletic over time, like in every single other sport. Footballer from the past look stiiff and slow compared to footballer today. Back than 10 sec was a world record time, now athletes run 9,60 sec in 100 m. Basketballplayer were unathletic slow to guys like jordan, iverson & james.

Everything Evolved, so did boxing. Than there are rare exceptions of athletes who were so athletic, so good, that they would have been elite no matter 1950 or 2020. Wilt chamberlain, maradona & pele, ali, robinson....etc..

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 14:02

Jip wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:50 I will include some good old boxers.

New boxer, 1970-2018 became just better, more athletic over time, like in every single other sport. Footballer from the past look stiiff and slow compared to footballer today. Back than 10 sec was a world record time, now athletes run 9,60 sec in 100 m. Basketballplayer were unathletic slow to guys like jordan, iverson & james.

Everything Evolved, so did boxing. Than there are rare exceptions of athletes who were so athletic, so good, that they would have been elite no matter 1950 or 2020. Wilt chamberlain, maradona & pele, ali, robinson....etc..

Just off the bat, you mistakenly believe that more athletic means the person is automatically better. That isn't the case. Sports are also a science that requires smarts, agility, acquired skill, drive, heart, and wits. Slow Larry Bird is a better basketball player than 95% of the "more athletic" players today.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 15:45 I would look at any greatest list without Ali at number 1 with suspicion even if it is no more than harmless fun.

The greatest entertainer both inside and outside the ring.
The bravest boxer you could imagine.
The most famous face in sport.
The favourite boxer amongst boxers.
The most godlike talent inside the ring (1965-67 - although the more I see of early Tyson the more I wonder).

Jip wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 14:37 This list is focused on quality, not blown up records and nostalgia.

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Vasyl Lomachenko
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Pernell Whitacker
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Henry Armstrong
12. Roberto Duran
13. Ricardo Lopez
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Mike Tyson
16. Khaoxai Galaxy
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Benny Leonard
19. Juan Manuel Marquez
19. Willie Pepp
20. Joe Louis
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Roman Gonzales
23. Felix Trinidad
24. James Toney
25. Gerald McClellan
26. Sugar Shane Mosley
27. Nayo Inoue
28. Joe Calzaghe
29. Oscar de la Hoya
30. Gennady Golovkin
31. Winky Wright
32. Meldrick Taylor
33. Terence Crawford
34. Julio Cesar Chavez
35. Salvador Sanchez
36. Eder Jofre
37. Marco Antonio Barerra
38. Wilfredo Benitez
39. Carlos Monzon
40. Edwin Valero
41. Oleksandr Usyk
42. Vernon Forrest
43. Prince Nassem Hamed
44. Errol Spence
45. Larry Holmes
46. George Foreman
47. Mike McCallum
48. Lennox Lewis
49. Miguel Cotto
50. Kostya Tszyu

Jip wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 14:37 This list is focused on quality, not blown up records and nostalgia.

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Vasyl Lomachenko
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Pernell Whitacker
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Henry Armstrong
12. Roberto Duran
13. Ricardo Lopez
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Mike Tyson
16. Khaoxai Galaxy
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Benny Leonard
19. Juan Manuel Marquez
19. Willie Pepp
20. Joe Louis
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Roman Gonzales
23. Felix Trinidad
24. James Toney
25. Gerald McClellan
26. Sugar Shane Mosley
27. Nayo Inoue
28. Joe Calzaghe
29. Oscar de la Hoya
30. Gennady Golovkin
31. Winky Wright
32. Meldrick Taylor
33. Terence Crawford
34. Julio Cesar Chavez
35. Salvador Sanchez
36. Eder Jofre
37. Marco Antonio Barerra
38. Wilfredo Benitez
39. Carlos Monzon
40. Edwin Valero
41. Oleksandr Usyk
42. Vernon Forrest
43. Prince Nassem Hamed
44. Errol Spence
45. Larry Holmes
46. George Foreman
47. Mike McCallum
48. Lennox Lewis
49. Miguel Cotto
50. Kostya Tszyu

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:43 Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it

Kalan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 20:53

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:43 Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it

Looks like you didn't... There's a lack of boxers from the 21st Century on your list... Did Boxing fall off the Planet in the year 2000???

From all reports, the sport has spread about the globe like wildfire and there're more boxers than ever today... Since training methods have improved and evolved, and the sweet science itself has evolved, there's a lot of terrific athletes out there to choose from.

Kalan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 20:53

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 13:43 Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it

Looks like you didn't... There's a lack of boxers from the 21st Century on your list... Did Boxing fall off the Planet in the year 2000???

From all reports, the sport has spread about the globe like wildfire and there're more boxers than ever today... Since training methods have improved and evolved, and the sweet science itself has evolved, there's a lot of terrific athletes out there to choose from.