Murat Gassiev vs Joseph Parker 2018, who wins ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 04 Feb 2018, 10:49

It seems a little bit impossible right now, but you never know.......
What do you think about this potential fight ? Who wins ? How ?

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 04 Feb 2018, 10:58

Why is there a need to suddenly take cruiserweights and elevate them to world class heavyweight status?

If Gassiev gets his headed handed to him by cruiser Usyk in May, then the whole idea of slipping him into the heavyweight championship derby becomes ludicrous.

Although I'm not impressed with Parker, he's a 245 lb top 10 guy.

Let Gussiev pick on fighters his own size. Pummeling Dorticos isn't the same as handling boxers who outweigh you by 50 lbs.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 04 Feb 2018, 11:09

SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 10:58 Why is there a need to suddenly take cruiserweights and elevate them to world class heavyweight status?

If Gassiev gets his headed handed to him by cruiser Usyk in May, then the whole idea of slipping him into the heavyweight championship derby becomes ludicrous.

Although I'm not impressed with Parker, he's a 245 lb top 10 guy.

Let Gussiev pick on fighters his own size. Pummeling Doritos isn't the same as handling boxers who outweigh you by 50 lbs.

I've never got that either. Every other division it seems like Champions are welcome to reign for quite a while, but at Cruiserweight everyone is rushed up to Heavyweight for some damn reason. I'd like to see the Cruiserweight division stay as it is for a while personally. In all my years as a fan it's about as deep as I've ever seen it at the moment.

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 04 Feb 2018, 11:11

hard to say but i lean towards Gassiev
if he weighted around 98kg it would be almost same as Wilder, i think that he could be even better than now, his speed shouldnt decrease significantly while his punches could get even more power

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 04 Feb 2018, 11:27

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 11:09
I've never got that either. Every other division it seems like Champions are welcome to reign for quite a while, but at Cruiserweight everyone is rushed up to Heavyweight for some damn reason. I'd like to see the Cruiserweight division stay as it is for a while personally. In all my years as a fan it's about as deep as I've ever seen it at the moment.

He's 24.. Let him fill out more, I can see him moving up maybe when he is 30..

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 04 Feb 2018, 12:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 11:09
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 10:58 Why is there a need to suddenly take cruiserweights and elevate them to world class heavyweight status?

If Gassiev gets his headed handed to him by cruiser Usyk in May, then the whole idea of slipping him into the heavyweight championship derby becomes ludicrous.

Although I'm not impressed with Parker, he's a 245 lb top 10 guy.

Let Gussiev pick on fighters his own size. Pummeling Doritos isn't the same as handling boxers who outweigh you by 50 lbs.
I've never got that either. Every other division it seems like Champions are welcome to reign for quite a while, but at Cruiserweight everyone is rushed up to Heavyweight for some damn reason. I'd like to see the Cruiserweight division stay as it is for a while personally. In all my years as a fan it's about as deep as I've ever seen it at the moment.

It is very simple to explain, HW champion is the absolute champion in the same time, and HW division is (was/and always will be) the most lucrative division. And there is a popularity issue, all my friends know who Klitschko brothers are, they know for Fury, Joshua and Wilder. No more than 20 % of them know who Usyk or Gassiev are. It was very similar thirty years ago, in fact it was the same. Holyfield boxing at CW was almost unknown beyond narrow circle of boxing fans, after moving up at HW he became some kind of celebrity.
Frankly, I feel that Gassiev-Parker match would be a competitive one, I have already made posts about Usyk at HW (against Wilder, Joshua, Fury, Ortiz, Parker) and majority of posters have not agreed with me, but I have not changed my attitude.......................

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 04 Feb 2018, 13:02

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 11:09
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 10:58 Why is there a need to suddenly take cruiserweights and elevate them to world class heavyweight status?

If Gassiev gets his headed handed to him by cruiser Usyk in May, then the whole idea of slipping him into the heavyweight championship derby becomes ludicrous.

Although I'm not impressed with Parker, he's a 245 lb top 10 guy.

Let Gussiev pick on fighters his own size. Pummeling Doritos isn't the same as handling boxers who outweigh you by 50 lbs.
I've never got that either. Every other division it seems like Champions are welcome to reign for quite a while, but at Cruiserweight everyone is rushed up to Heavyweight for some damn reason. I'd like to see the Cruiserweight division stay as it is for a while personally. In all my years as a fan it's about as deep as I've ever seen it at the moment.

I think it goes back to the general feeling that cruiser is boxing's unwelcome stepchild.

Just a stopping off point for men who have their mind set on eventually chasing the big game and greater riches of the heavyweight division.

Fans undoubtedly have that attitude. So do the fighters.

When you weigh about 200 lbs, you don't dream of being cruiserweight champion of the world.

You dream about putting on a few pounds, working on your strength, and becoming heavyweight champion of the world instead.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 04 Feb 2018, 13:28

gassiev is leaner than parker and is probably cutting to 200 anyway. i doubt theres too much difference in natural size tbh and i think gassievs a better fighter. certainly i think gassievs no smaller than obese andy aside from all that lard andy has

onestly i dont think parkers any better even than the povetkin who huck battered and shouldve gotten a decision over

aj and wilder are too much but i think usyk and gassiev are better than joey. .

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 04 Feb 2018, 15:47

Pound for pound they are probably better.

But put that 50 lb. weight differential into actual practice, and size plays a huge role.

There's a valid reason to having different weight divisions in boxing. It's not a concept that was created accidentally.

Size matters.

As for Holyfield, he became one of boxing's ATGs, but still didn't jump into a heavyweight title fight immediately upon abandoning the cruiserweight division.

He tested the waters for several years, taking on some talented but somewhat worn heavyweights like Tillis, Thomas and Dokes.

He and the Duvas realized that a period of physical development was necessary before making a challenge for the championship.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 04 Feb 2018, 15:59

joseph parker is fat when hes 50 pounds heavier than gassiev. i dont see that fat being much of an advantage. if gassiev is that solid weighing in at the cruiser limit i imagine his actual weight without cutting is several pounds higher. so much of the 'size advantage' the hws have over cruisers is just lard. thats not the case for in shape guys like aj and wilder, but it is for all the lard balls of the division

if gassiev wasnt cutting weight to make a limit and put on extra pounds till he was as soft as parker, id bet he wouldnt be much lighter. certainly nothing like 50 pounds. theyre about the same height and gassiev has a longer reach

joe parkers really hardly bigger than povetkin, and look how huck moved up and beat him around the ring, only to get robbed.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 04 Feb 2018, 16:18

and this isnt to say the top cruisers wouldnt be at some size disadvantages..cause they certainly would be vs the shws. but when the cruisers dont drain to make the cw limit and if they were to add pounds to be as soft as most hws, theyd prob be up around the 220s at least id think

Deleted_Scenes · Post by **Deleted_Scenes** » 04 Feb 2018, 17:51

SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018, 15:47 Pound for pound they are probably better.

But put that 50 lb. weight differential into actual practice, and size plays a huge role.

There's a valid reason to having different weight divisions in boxing. It's not a concept that was created accidentally.

Size matters.

As for Holyfield, he became one of boxing's ATGs, but still didn't jump into a heavyweight title fight immediately upon abandoning the cruiserweight division.

He tested the waters for several years, taking on some talented but somewhat worn heavyweights like Tillis, Thomas and Dokes.

He and the Duvas realized that a period of physical development was necessary before making a challenge for the championship.

Is Parker massively better than Manuel Charr? I mean sure he's better, but is there a lot in it?

Briedis (the smallest of the top cruisers) dominated Charr and iced him in the 5th. It was a cleaner win than Vitali managed, and a quicker one than Povetkin.

I think sometimes when people start saying 'size matters' they forget how awful the current heavyweight division really is. It's not a 50 pound difference either. It just appears that way, because heavies don't have to worry about making weight. I'm ring, it's probably around 25. Holyfield came through in a different era. Sure, Joshua is almost certainly too much, and possibly Wilder too, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see any of the top 3 cruisers comfortably outpoint a HW like Parker over 12. In fact, I'd expect them to.

As much as Holyfield needed to ease into the division, David Haye was pretty much immediately top 5. Haye is nowhere near the fighter Holyfield was. Different eras, different challenges. Yeah, size does matter. Ability matters too, and the current heavies don't fare too well in that area.