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Greatest boxing win?

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This one might be more for the history section but I rarely wander on those dusty halls.

What do you consider to be the greatest win in boxing?

Some of the biggest ones that I can think about are.

Ali vs Foreman
Ali vs Frazier (pick one :-P )
Douglas vs Tyson
Holyfield vs Tyson 1
Schmeling vs Louis 1
McCall vs Lennox 1
JMM vs Pac 4

Then there are of course the Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran fights.

Some of the more recent ones include

Fury vs Wlad
Joshua vs Wlad

Which are slightly dimmed by Wlad being over the hill.

Same story for

Loma vs Rigo

GGG vs Canelo is tainted by the corruption :evil:

Usyk vs Gassiev has a chance to be the best one for long time.
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Ali Frazier 1, it was a perfect storm of a heavyweight title fight, fight of the century indeed :bag:
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Leonard-Hagler
Regardless of the arguments that still rage about the verdict, fact remains Sugar Ray was awarded the decision and the magnitude of his returning from what was effectively a 5 year hiatus to deliver such a performance against one of the most formidable champions the sport has ever seen should never be undervalued imv
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Nah man. It's Ali-Frazier.

Both undefeated, closer to their primes than Leonard and Hagler. Heavyweights. On a bigger stage. And they actually put up a classic of a fight.
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Jaywheel wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:24 Nah man. It's Ali-Frazier.

Both undefeated, closer to their primes than Leonard and Hagler. Heavyweights. On a bigger stage. And they actually put up a classic of a fight.
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Jaywheel wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:24 Nah man. It's Ali-Frazier.

Both undefeated, closer to their primes than Leonard and Hagler. Heavyweights. On a bigger stage. And they actually put up a classic of a fight.
Did I misunderstand the question at the top of this thread? :doh:
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Fury Klitschko?
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East End wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:29
Jaywheel wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:24 Nah man. It's Ali-Frazier.

Both undefeated, closer to their primes than Leonard and Hagler. Heavyweights. On a bigger stage. And they actually put up a classic of a fight.
Did I misunderstand the question at the top of this thread? :doh:
Perhaps, in terms of significance and importance as a win I would rank ALi-Frazier, Louis-Scmelling and even Ali-Foreman ahead of Leonard-Hagler.
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Jaywheel wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:42
East End wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:29
Jaywheel wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 11:24 Nah man. It's Ali-Frazier.

Both undefeated, closer to their primes than Leonard and Hagler. Heavyweights. On a bigger stage. And they actually put up a classic of a fight.
Did I misunderstand the question at the top of this thread? :doh:
Perhaps, in terms of significance and importance as a win I would rank ALi-Frazier, Louis-Scmelling and even Ali-Foreman ahead of Leonard-Hagler.
Yes I am inclined to agree. One of those questions that is open to multiple interpretations I guess.
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Holyfield's first victory over Tyson is certainly worthy of consideration. Iron Mike had the old late 80s aura back after both Bruno and Seldon had turned to jelly when confronted with him in the ring, plus Holyfield had been through the wars with Bowe and had experienced quite a serious health scare during his defeat to Moorer which had vast numbers imploring him to retire.
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East End wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 10:32 Leonard-Hagler
Regardless of the arguments that still rage about the verdict, fact remains Sugar Ray was awarded the decision and the magnitude of his returning from what was effectively a 5 year hiatus to deliver such a performance against one of the most formidable champions the sport has ever seen should never be undervalued imv
Yep I'd agree.
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Duran over Leonard
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Iran Barkley over Tommy hearns
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I'm not certain how "greatest win" is being defined.

Strictly in boxing terms? Historical significance? Contests that embraced social issues?

Ali-Frazier 1. Ali-Foreman. Louis -Schmeling 2. Johnson-Jeffries. Holmes-Cooney.

All important bouts. All great wins.

Did someone actually offer up Lomachenko-Rigo?
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Heretic wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 10:26 This one might be more for the history section but I rarely wander on those dusty halls.

What do you consider to be the greatest win in boxing?

Some of the biggest ones that I can think about are.

Ali vs Foreman
Ali vs Frazier (pick one :-P )
Douglas vs Tyson
Holyfield vs Tyson 1
Schmeling vs Louis 1
McCall vs Lennox 1
JMM vs Pac 4

Then there are of course the Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran fights.

Some of the more recent ones include

Fury vs Wlad
Joshua vs Wlad

Which are slightly dimmed by Wlad being over the hill.

Same story for

Loma vs Rigo

GGG vs Canelo is tainted by the corruption :evil:

Usyk vs Gassiev has a chance to be the best one for long time.
Why is GGG-Canelo on here? GGG was expected to win(he won in my eyes) so how great of a win could that be?

Same for Loma-Rigo. If Rigo had won it would be a great victory for the smaller man.
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siablo14 wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 15:57
Heretic wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 10:26 This one might be more for the history section but I rarely wander on those dusty halls.

What do you consider to be the greatest win in boxing?

Some of the biggest ones that I can think about are.

Ali vs Foreman
Ali vs Frazier (pick one :-P )
Douglas vs Tyson
Holyfield vs Tyson 1
Schmeling vs Louis 1
McCall vs Lennox 1
JMM vs Pac 4

Then there are of course the Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran fights.

Some of the more recent ones include

Fury vs Wlad
Joshua vs Wlad

Which are slightly dimmed by Wlad being over the hill.

Same story for

Loma vs Rigo

GGG vs Canelo is tainted by the corruption :evil:

Usyk vs Gassiev has a chance to be the best one for long time.
Why is GGG-Canelo on here? GGG was expected to win(he won in my eyes) so how great of a win could that be?

Same for Loma-Rigo. If Rigo had won it would be a great victory for the smaller man.
You do have a point, especially when one considers that in the case of GGG-Canelo there actually was no winner. Don't want Heretic to think folk are ganging up on him but... :confused:
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Groves v Chudinov and Bruno v McCall were a couple of great last ditch attempt wins for the Brits.

Fury v Klitschko and Honeyghan v Curry were huge (but somewhat fortunate in hindsight) surprises.

My nomination though would go to Ali v Foreman. Never did a cause look so hopeless or dangerous beforehand.
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Thomastearns wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 16:17 Groves v Chudinov and Bruno v McCall were a couple of great last ditch attempt wins for the Brits.

Fury v Klitschko and Honeyghan v Curry were huge (but somewhat fortunate in hindsight) surprises.

My nomination though would go to Ali v Foreman. Never did a cause look so hopeless or dangerous beforehand.
If we are talking British wins, was there ever a bigger or better one than Randolph Turpin over Sugar Ray Robinson?
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East End wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 16:11
siablo14 wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 15:57
Heretic wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 10:26 This one might be more for the history section but I rarely wander on those dusty halls.

What do you consider to be the greatest win in boxing?

Some of the biggest ones that I can think about are.

Ali vs Foreman
Ali vs Frazier (pick one :-P )
Douglas vs Tyson
Holyfield vs Tyson 1
Schmeling vs Louis 1
McCall vs Lennox 1
JMM vs Pac 4

Then there are of course the Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran fights.

Some of the more recent ones include

Fury vs Wlad
Joshua vs Wlad

Which are slightly dimmed by Wlad being over the hill.

Same story for

Loma vs Rigo

GGG vs Canelo is tainted by the corruption :evil:

Usyk vs Gassiev has a chance to be the best one for long time.
Why is GGG-Canelo on here? GGG was expected to win(he won in my eyes) so how great of a win could that be?

Same for Loma-Rigo. If Rigo had won it would be a great victory for the smaller man.
You do have a point, especially when one considers that in the case of GGG-Canelo there actually was no winner. Don't want Heretic to think folk are ganging up on him but... :confused:
No worries I am sturdy bastard :twisted:

In my not so humble opinion GGG won that bout quite clearly. If he got the nod then it would have been one of the best wins in recent history. GGG is just few good wins away from being in the ATG discussions. Canelo might eventually get to that point also. So there is some historical significance to this match. Pales in comparison to the old great wins but its one of the best ones we have had recently. Or at least should have had :evil:

Loma and Rigo got the mention mostly because both guys are up there with the p4p discussions. Or at least have been. Also four olympic gold metals in one ring. You don't see that everyday :geek:
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East End wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 16:27
Thomastearns wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 16:17 Groves v Chudinov and Bruno v McCall were a couple of great last ditch attempt wins for the Brits.

Fury v Klitschko and Honeyghan v Curry were huge (but somewhat fortunate in hindsight) surprises.

My nomination though would go to Ali v Foreman. Never did a cause look so hopeless or dangerous beforehand.
If we are talking British wins, was there ever a bigger or better one than Randolph Turpin over Sugar Ray Robinson?
Nope, there wasn't. Can't even call it a fluke as Robinson needed everything to avoid a repeat in the rematch.

I tend to forget about individual fights from the pre-Ali era the same way some people tend forget about films before Star Wars.
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East End wrote: 13 Feb 2018, 10:32 Leonard-Hagler
Regardless of the arguments that still rage about the verdict, fact remains Sugar Ray was awarded the decision and the magnitude of his returning from what was effectively a 5 year hiatus to deliver such a performance against one of the most formidable champions the sport has ever seen should never be undervalued imv
The terms of the OP was the "Greatest" win and you make a damn good case on this one, well done. I was a Ray die hard and I was frightened for him in this fight that I NEVER thought would take place. I just remember that I was on my toes for every second of this fight because I knew that if Marvin caught him clean even once, Ray wouldn't be able to get away from him. Ray fought as perfect a fight as anyone i can remember. He didn't make a mistake for 12 rounds...not one and that's why he won. Love it. Good work.
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Why not Randy Turpin over Sugar Ray Robinson? There is no greater win I would want than a defeat over Sugar Ray Robinson in 1951.
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The Greatest Boxing Win in my lifetime so far was Buster's KO of Tyson, then Sugar beating Hagler. Third place i'd have to say was the 8 minutes of fury...Hagler over Hearns. Those were the greatest victories i've seen.
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caldo2025 wrote: 14 Feb 2018, 09:05 The Greatest Boxing Win in my lifetime so far was Buster's KO of Tyson, then Sugar beating Hagler. Third place i'd have to say was the 8 minutes of fury...Hagler over Hearns. Those were the greatest victories i've seen.
Just recalling Hagler's response when the ref asked him whether he could see ok with the blood running into his eye:
'Well I aint missing him am I?'
:lol: :box:
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