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"Hearn: If Joshua, Miller Win, They'll Fight in August at Barclays" (Source: BS.com):

“And while Deontay Wilder continues to live at a street address on ‘Fantasy Island,’ this [Joshua-Miller] is the fight that we will look to make in August. And I’m already in talks with [the Barclays Center’s] Brett Yormark, that all being well on March 31st, New York is the venue for Anthony Joshua’s next fight. If that’s not against Deontay Wilder, Jarrell Miller will be the guy if he can get the win against Duhapuas. That’s the plan... It’s my job to plan the future, and the future is a fight in America in 2018.”

Thoughts?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 17:59 "Hearn: If Joshua, Miller Win, They'll Fight in August at Barclays" (Source: BS.com):

“And while Deontay Wilder continues to live at a street address on ‘Fantasy Island,’ this [Joshua-Miller] is the fight that we will look to make in August. And I’m already in talks with [the Barclays Center’s] Brett Yormark, that all being well on March 31st, New York is the venue for Anthony Joshua’s next fight. If that’s not against Deontay Wilder, Jarrell Miller will be the guy if he can get the win against Duhapuas. That’s the plan... It’s my job to plan the future, and the future is a fight in America in 2018.”

Thoughts?

Why not ? I think Miller is much better than Martin, Molina or Breazeale.................

Well, Hearn somewhat contradicts himself.

It's not really scheduled. Hearn says "it's the fight we're looking to make" and that "we're in talks" so really it's just something to discuss.

There are no concrete plans in place to hold this fight.

It would also depend on the Big Baby looking impressive against Duhaupus in April.

That means they want Miller to stop Duhaupus faster than Wilder. Maybe even as quick as Povetkin.

If he struggles, which he shouldn't against the aging, somewhat worn Frenchman, then you could assume that the bout would be scuttled.

Thevwau bread this is. Let's have the Joshua-Wilder fight stew for another year. Let's make it even a bigger attraction.

As soon as he has completed his obligation to face Joseph Parker on Showtime, Anthony Joshua will become a TV network free agent and Jarrell Miller has signed an exclusive multi-fight contract with HBO and his promoter works with Matchroom US.

This development is kind of interesting, because Eddie Hearn has been very reluctant to admit that his charge, AJ, will be swapping allegiances in thew US from Showtime to HBO, but a fight against Miller means he'll be facing a fighter tied to HBO.

If Anthony Joshua does agree a TV network deal with HBO, then we won’t see the Brit face Deontay Wilder anytime soon.

It could even play out like the Mayweather-Pacquiao long-running saga, assuming both fighters can remain unbeaten during the interim, which means we may have to wait several years before we see a bout between Joshua-Wilder.

Really disappointed in Joshua (who has impressed me up to this point). His victory over Wlad was epic and Parker is a legit challenger. But Jarrell Miller is a fat slob with an unimpressive resume (like most of the current HWs). He's been pushing 300# in recent fights and his last win over Wach (who was about 50# above his normal fighting weight) could best be described as a slobfest.

Dont be surprised if this flabmeister struggles with Duhaupas.

Of course the bigger picture is even more bleak, because a long-term arrangement with HBO makes a showdown with Wilder less likely than before.

If the money's big enough, these dueling network complications will work themselves out.

It did for Lewis-Tyson. It did for Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Although, at this time, Wilder-Joshua isn't anywhere near as anticipated an attraction as those 2, expect the dual networks to easily reach an agreement if the bout ever materializes.

They were even able to figure out how to share Buffer and Lennon Jr. for Lewis vs Tyson.

Deontay has no contract with any network. He can fight on HBO like Jacobs and a few other Haymon fighters have.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 19:30 Deontay has no contract with any network. He can fight on HBO like Jacobs and a few other Haymon fighters have.

That's good news for the bigger picture. I assumed because Wilder always fights on Showtime or CBS (their affiliate) that he was long-term in his contract.

As a general rule, barring one sole exception (i.e. Danny Jacobs), Al Haymon's massive roster of fighters almost never appear on HBO, unless mega-bucks is involved, which is a very rare occasion.

There are almost 200 PBC fighters, with almost all of them being US network free agents, but despite that only a couple have appeared on HBO whilst they've been affiliated to Al Haymon.

The blame about this situation predominantly lies with HBO and the promoters they work with, due to their reluctance to do business with Al Haymon (as per the lawsuit notes of the miserably failed GBP case against the PBC chief).

Therefore, anyone that agrees to use Haymon as their advisor or manager knows that they won't have their fights televised by HBO, hence the reason why Showtime haven't attempted to tie many PBC fighters to exclusive contracts.

Not surprising to me that Hearn does something like this. He is a lying sack, so no surprise. If it wasn't Miller, it would be Povetkin or someone else. IF Wilder beats Ortiz, which isn't a lock, they need to publicly embarrass Hearn and Joshua. (Assuming Joshua wins)

I really hope Joshua loses now. It all makes sense now why Joshua said he wasn't mentally or physically ready for Wilder. I don't even want to hear about marinate. If this happens, it is a chickenshit duck.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 18:15 Well, Hearn somewhat contradicts himself.

It's not really scheduled. Hearn says "it's the fight we're looking to make" and that "we're in talks" so really it's just something to discuss.

There are no concrete plans in place to hold this fight.

It would also depend on the Big Baby looking impressive against Duhaupus in April.

That means they want Miller to stop Duhaupus faster than Wilder. Maybe even as quick as Povetkin.

If he struggles, which he shouldn't against the aging, somewhat worn Frenchman, then you could assume that the bout would be scuttled.

Hearn doesn't just contradict himself, he outright lies like a sack of shitt. He promised Wilder the fight against Joshua 2 fights ago, and keeps pushing it off. I think mainly because of Joshua's admission that he is not confident of beating Wilder.

Badhusker wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 20:43 Not surprising to me that Hearn does something like this. He is a lying sack, so no surprise. If it wasn't Miller, it would be Povetkin or someone else. IF Wilder beats Ortiz, which isn't a lock, they need to publicly embarrass Hearn and Joshua. (Assuming Joshua wins)

I really hope Joshua loses now. It all makes sense now why Joshua said he wasn't mentally or physically ready for Wilder. I don't even want to hear about marinate. If this happens, it is a chickenshit duck.

Great points! There are only 4 quality HWs actively fighting now and Wilder fights one of them on March 3. The other one is Povetkin, who Joshua was supposed to fight a while back. I really dont give Parker much chance against Joshua but I will be rooting for him now that I have lost massive respect for Joshua recently. After the heart he showed getting off the canvas to stop Wlad I was actually impressed with him but choosing Fatboy Miller over Povetkin is inexcusable.

Badhusker wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 20:50

SenorPipino wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 18:15 Well, Hearn somewhat contradicts himself.

It's not really scheduled. Hearn says "it's the fight we're looking to make" and that "we're in talks" so really it's just something to discuss.

There are no concrete plans in place to hold this fight.

It would also depend on the Big Baby looking impressive against Duhaupus in April.

That means they want Miller to stop Duhaupus faster than Wilder. Maybe even as quick as Povetkin.

If he struggles, which he shouldn't against the aging, somewhat worn Frenchman, then you could assume that the bout would be scuttled.

Hearn doesn't just contradict himself, he outright lies like a sack of shitt. He promised Wilder the fight against Joshua 2 fights ago, and keeps pushing it off. I think mainly because of Joshua's admission that he is not confident of beating Wilder.

I just pass it off as Hearn doing what all promoters do.

BSing.

He's hardly alone in the boxing world.

Most likely the aforementioned Miller bout is really just a negotiating tactic.

He probably wants Wilder/Haymon to fret that he's prepared to go in another direction if PBS won't agree to a split in the neighborhood of 66.3%/33.3%.

If it happens I'll be there

Duhaupas improved a lot since he fought Wilder, even Povetkin needed 6 rounds, with his KO coach to actually KO him.
I prefere to see AJ Povetkin actually, especially since he already proved himself so many times.

Best Coast wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 19:16 Really disappointed in Joshua (who has impressed me up to this point). His victory over Wlad was epic and Parker is a legit challenger. But Jarrell Miller is a fat slob with an unimpressive resume (like most of the current HWs). He's been pushing 300# in recent fights and his last win over Wach (who was about 50# above his normal fighting weight) could best be described as a slobfest.

Dont be surprised if this flabmeister struggles with Duhaupas.

Of course the bigger picture is even more bleak, because a long-term arrangement with HBO makes a showdown with Wilder less likely than before.

which hws do you respect?

its hard for me to think of anyone over the last few years who fought and beat better opponents than aj did. and which active hw has fought top opponents each time? if thats a condition for respect no one meets it.

tbh, i think miller assuming he beats duhaupas would be among the best wins almost any active hws scored. i expect deontay (who i greatly respect too) to beat ortiz but tbh i think miller would be on par with his current best win over stiverne. stiverne was fat too


miller id also rate higher than anyone povetkins beat in many many years, other then maybe takam but possibly him too

id rate miller higher then pulev and whyte beating chisora

rate miller higher then takam beating thompson

rate miller higher then breazeale beating molina or mansour

rate miller higher then ruiz and hughie fury



tbh, in todays division miller is still a dang good win

I think Hearn is trying to show Wilder that he needs to get real with his financial demands or Joshua can get along quite nicely without him.

Assuming he beats Parker, he will have to face Povetkin within a certain time-scale. I'm sure part of the plan is for Joshua to fight in the US possibly for legacy reasons, possibly as preparation with a view to fighting Wilder stateside at some point, possibly a bit of both..

If he's going to fight in America then he needs an American opponent. It won't be Wilder who's holding out for too much money so who? He's beaten Breazeale and Molina so who is in the frame for a title fight? Jennings needs to re-establish himself after big-fight losses and a long lay-off. Ruiz also has been inactive. Kownacki has only beaten Szpilka and isn't regarded as a top contender yet. Miler strikes me as the obvious choice.

He's got couple of decent wins recently and is regarded by many (me included) as one of the more credible contenders.

It's a good fight and the later he can delay fighting his WBA (and WBO?) mandatory, the longer it'll be before he has to factor the next (WBA) mandatory into his schedule.

Miller's just another unproven commodity.

Nobody should be gushing over him like he's a contender on the level of a Quarry or Lyle.

In truth, it's more accurate to call him a rising prospect but everyone's quick to jump the gun these days in crediting fighters with semi-greatness.

The "big" names on Miller's record are Washington and Wach. They're okay fighters but beating them doesn't qualify you as The Second Coming.

His stamina is a huge question mark as it should be when you weigh nearly 300. He admitted being very tired against Washington.

A top heavy who sets a fast pace will sorely test Miller's conditioning.

Maybe he turns out to be for real and Big Baby is a legit threat.

Or maybe he's just another in a long line of fighters who you watch closely today but whose name you've forgotten 2 years from now.

Wilder said he wanted 50-50 vs AJ, but also said if he takes less, AJ will have to take the same amount in the event of a rematch. If Wilder beats Ortiz, the ball is in AJ's court, assuming he wins too.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 07:21 Miller's just another unproven commodity

In truth, it's more accurate to call him a rising prospect but everyone's quick to jump the gun these days in crediting fighters with semi-greatness.

Have many people been saying Miller has "semi greatness" then Pip

I've heard plenty saying he's not that good. Don't recall anyone bigging him up too much.

Is Wilder more proven than Miller? The only thing wilder has proven is that he can beat B- level opposition.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 10:40 Is Wilder more proven than Miller? The only thing wilder has proven is that he can beat B- level opposition.

And Big Baby's record barely deserves an alphabet grade.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 12:08

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 10:40 Is Wilder more proven than Miller? The only thing wilder has proven is that he can beat B- level opposition.

And Big Baby's record barely deserves an alphabet grade.

I would say Wach is on the same level with the best of Wilder's opponents. If Miller stops Duhapuas, then he will be about as proven as Wilder, while he won't be making ridiculous financial demands.

I like Miller but Wach was badly out of shape and I think he may have KO'd Miller if he didn't hurt his hand at the beginning because the big baby looked wide open for Wach's normally crushing right. Why didn't Wach train properly? Is he retiring?

Duhaupas took the fight against Wilder at the last minute and didn't have much time to train for it and also suffered from some injury and still put up a good fight. Don't make post-Duhaupas plans for Miller yet. The bookies have Miller a 6-1 favorite over Duhaupas. One will get me six? I'll take that bet.