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Povetkin ko.

Povetkin is more skillful and he hits harder, he will KO Whyte.

As Povetkin has now replaced Ortiz as the bogeyman that's just waiting to be crowned (until he gets sparked, then he will be old & overrated), I will go for him.

To be fair, he is better than Whyte, although Dillian's skillset has improved, but it's easy to look skillful against a pudding.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 14:39 As Povetkin has now replaced Ortiz as the bogeyman that's just waiting to be crowned (until he gets sparked, then he will be old & overrated), I will go for him.

To be fair, he is better than Whyte, although Dillian's skillset has improved, but it's easy to look skillful against a pudding.

People do tend to get older, it's a naturally occurring phenomenon.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 14:49 People do tend to get older, it's a naturally occurring phenomenon.

I thought I could defy the phenomenon, but I was mistaken.

Povetkin KO's him like the did iron-chinned Takam. Watch Whyte/Chisora. Povetkin steamrolls Whyte.

Nowadays I think Whyte, it's really a shame that Wilder didn't dare to give Povetkin a world titleshot he earned. Povetkin still deserves it today, while he's not even close near the level he once used to be. He's probably better as Ortiz, but that's really it. When Wilder recived his title there is wasted a lot of time. I'm happy the UK heavyweights are doing all the cleaning work nowadays, While Wilder only has done one after 40 fights. And once again refuses to fight his (out of the real champion, undefeated) mandatory.
Wilder nowadays simply receives what the boxing world knows he deserves, a wait for his time, which he delayed himself for all those years.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 14:39 As Povetkin has now replaced Ortiz as the bogeyman that's just waiting to be crowned (until he gets sparked, then he will be old & overrated), I will go for him.

To be fair, he is better than Whyte, although Dillian's skillset has improved, but it's easy to look skillful against a pudding.

were you not around for 2015 to 2016?

ppl used to be a lot higher on pov then they are now, id say his boogeyman status has clearly dropped from when he was on his fairly impressive ko run. i havent really seen many ppl at all now rushing to act like hes some uncrowned champ, any left over ppl going on about him now probably already were

and tbf he is almost 40 now

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 01:14

Syntax Error wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 14:39 As Povetkin has now replaced Ortiz as the bogeyman that's just waiting to be crowned (until he gets sparked, then he will be old & overrated), I will go for him.

To be fair, he is better than Whyte, although Dillian's skillset has improved, but it's easy to look skillful against a pudding.

were you not around for 2015 to 2016?

ppl used to be a lot higher on pov then they are now, id say his boogeyman status has clearly dropped from when he was on his fairly impressive ko run. i havent really seen many ppl at all now rushing to act like hes some uncrowned champ, any left over ppl going on about him now probably already were

and tbf he is almost 40 now

The sad thing is, he still deserves a world titleshot and Wilder would never dare to give him. I guess AJ has to do all the hard work again while the only one Wilder meanwhile spanks is his own troll army.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 19:00 Nowadays I think Whyte, it's really a shame that Wilder didn't dare to give Povetkin a world titleshot he earned. Povetkin still deserves it today, while he's not even close near the level he once used to be. He's probably better as Ortiz, but that's really it. When Wilder recived his title there is wasted a lot of time. I'm happy the UK heavyweights are doing all the cleaning work nowadays, While Wilder only has done one after 40 fights. And once again refuses to fight his (out of the real champion, undefeated) mandatory.
Wilder nowadays simply receives what the boxing world knows he deserves, a wait for his time, which he delayed himself for all those years.

You say Povetkin Is not even close to the level he once used to be. Based on what? Just because he didn't KO his last two oponents, even though he won every round?

x2x wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 02:34

asdfjkl wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 19:00 Nowadays I think Whyte, it's really a shame that Wilder didn't dare to give Povetkin a world titleshot he earned. Povetkin still deserves it today, while he's not even close near the level he once used to be. He's probably better as Ortiz, but that's really it. When Wilder recived his title there is wasted a lot of time. I'm happy the UK heavyweights are doing all the cleaning work nowadays, While Wilder only has done one after 40 fights. And once again refuses to fight his (out of the real champion, undefeated) mandatory.
Wilder nowadays simply receives what the boxing world knows he deserves, a wait for his time, which he delayed himself for all those years.

You say Povetkin Is not even close to the level he once used to be. Based on what? Just because he didn't KO his last two oponents, even though he won every round?

Not just that, he's also a lot slower as he used to be. Or well, at least in my opinion.

Dillian Whyte vs Manuel Charr would be a better and a more interesting fight.

On what basis, is Dillian Whyte even better than Manuel Charr? What has Whyte done to prove this? Povetkin knocks Whyte out in the 7th round, like he did to Manuel Charr.

I put "too close to call" but more accurately I mean, it depends how much Povetkin has left. I think a peak Povetkin would be far too much for Dillian, having greater power and a considerable advantage in skill.

Now he's 38 and it looks to me that he isn't the force he once was. If I'm wrong about that and he hasn't yet begun his decline, then it must surely be imminent. Even now I suspect Whyte's youth might allow him to set a pace which Sasha is unable to match, and although Povetkin still retains the superior skills, it isn't like Whyte can't box and he could well now have the advantage in speed.

My instinct tells me Whyte already has an edge and that is only going to increase as time goes by.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:27 Dillian Whyte vs Manuel Charr would be a better and a more interesting fight.

On what basis, is Dillian Whyte even better than Manuel Charr? What has Whyte done to prove this? Povetkin knocks Whyte out in the 7th round, like he did to Manuel Charr.

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:40

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:27 Dillian Whyte vs Manuel Charr would be a better and a more interesting fight.

On what basis, is Dillian Whyte even better than Manuel Charr? What has Whyte done to prove this? Povetkin knocks Whyte out in the 7th round, like he did to Manuel Charr.

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

There is zero sense in even considering a bout between Alexander Povetkin and Dillian Whyte as being remotely possible in the short-term, because they’re both in line to receive world title opportunities.

If they are ever pitted against each other, it’ll be at least twelve months or so down the line, with the Russian being close to turning forty years of age, coupled with the fact that he’ll have to remain clean, since it's hard to tell how good he really is without being on PED's.

So by then, I’d expect the Brit to stop Povetkin, especially considering how badly hurt Alexander was at the end of the sixth round of the Hammer bout.

thought it looked like pov mightve been cuffed off balance at the end of the 6th but hard to tell and the replays on the broadcast i saw didnt show it

i think whytes chances are only getting better though

Povetkin by UD. Prime Povetkin would KO Whyte.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 04:52

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:40

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:27 Dillian Whyte vs Manuel Charr would be a better and a more interesting fight.

On what basis, is Dillian Whyte even better than Manuel Charr? What has Whyte done to prove this? Povetkin knocks Whyte out in the 7th round, like he did to Manuel Charr.

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

1. Whyte is clearly better than Charr. Has more power and speed,
2. Povetkin is not the same fighter he was in 2014-2015. He is 38, and he couldn't even hurt Christian Hammer, whom Mariusz Wach knocked out cold with a single punch.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 14:39 As Povetkin has now replaced Ortiz as the bogeyman that's just waiting to be crowned (until he gets sparked, then he will be old & overrated), I will go for him.

It's pretty illogical that people used to think that George Foreman was a boogeyman back when he was a terrifying killer, and then all of the sudden, people thought he was old when his chronological age got much more advanced.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 07:11He is 38, and he couldn't even hurt Christian Hammer, whom Mariusz Wach knocked out cold with a single punch.

If you are treating Wach - Hammer as a valid indictment of Hammer's abilities, then you don't know how to assess when a fighter's prime is. Hammer was 22 years old, 7-1, and had achieved nothing at that point in his career. This was still prior to Hammer's pre-prime defeat to Taras Bidenko, which would eventually be surpassed by Hammer defeating Erkan Teper, David Price, Kevin Johnson, Leif Larsen, and various journeymen.

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:40

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 03:27 Dillian Whyte vs Manuel Charr would be a better and a more interesting fight.

On what basis, is Dillian Whyte even better than Manuel Charr? What has Whyte done to prove this? Povetkin knocks Whyte out in the 7th round, like he did to Manuel Charr.

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

Bogus post. Are you kidding me? Briedis is a powerful and extremely talented cruiserweight. Briedis would school Whyte.

Is this Potvetkin before the juice, or currently on the juice?

Lackeos wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 07:51

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 07:11He is 38, and he couldn't even hurt Christian Hammer, whom Mariusz Wach knocked out cold with a single punch.

If you are treating Wach - Hammer as a valid indictment of Hammer's abilities, then you don't know how to assess when a fighter's prime is. Hammer was 22 years old, 7-1, and had achieved nothing at that point in his career. This was still prior to Hammer's pre-prime defeat to Taras Bidenko, which would eventually be surpassed by Hammer defeating Erkan Teper, David Price, Kevin Johnson, Leif Larsen, and various journeymen.

His chin hardly could improve since Wach KO and Povetkins never hurt him in 12 rounds. He landed decent punches but couldn't hurt Hammer. Also Fury's punches had more impact on Hammer comparing to Povetki's ones and Fury isn't a huge puncher.