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A statue of Ken Buchanan in his home city of Edinburgh is all set for the very near future, a fitting tribute to one of the greatest British boxers of all time, if not the greatest. The bronze statue is to cost £50,000 and £20,000 has been raised so far, with another £10,000 set to be raised at a boxing 'do' in Edinburgh next Friday in which Jim Watt (a former opponent of Ken's), John Conteh, Barry McGuigan, John H. Stracey, Steve Bunce, Richie Woodhall and Josh Taylor (a current fighter known as 'The Tartan Tornado') will all kindly appear.
While some are against statues for those still very much alive, Ken is not in the best of health these days and deserves to see himself immortalised in Edinburgh because he never fought there as a pro and is generally unappreciated and often unknown. (He once signed an autograph for someone who recognised him on a building site; “You must be one helluva f ucking joiner,” said a stunned workmate.) Buchanan turned pro with Eddie Thomas, a proud Welshman who refused to bow to swaggering London promoters, and mastered his trade on dinner shows at the National Sporting Club in Piccadilly where he never put a foot wrong on his way to the British lightweight title in February 1968 with an 11-round stoppage of the vastly experienced Maurice Cullen but slipped up in a shot at the European title in January 1970 over in Spain and dropped a 15-round decision to Miguel Velazquez that looked like sheer robbery from TV but seemed OK to British reporters at ringside.
It was Buchanan's first defeat in 34 fights but the young Scot bounced back with a solid 10-round decision in London over Frenchman Leonard Tavarez (who later severely winded Roberto Duran in Paris before he was stopped) and squeezed into the world rankings by outscoring rugged New Yorker Chris Fernandez in Nottingham in another 10-rounder. He then graced a big Wembley show and destroyed Londoner Brian Hudson in five rounds defence of his British title as it all came together at the age of 25 and in September 1970, he shook the boxing world with a 15-round decision over Panama's Ismael Laguna for the WBA lightweight title in the tropical heat of Puerto Rico, finishing much the stronger of the two men to make sure of the points.
It was a heady time for the new champion, who retained his belt twice and found himself topping bills in Madison Square Garden (one, over someone called Muhammad Ali), before suffering a long, hard night at the hands of a young Duran in the Garden in June 1972 and losing his title in murky circumstances, although Duran was streets ahead on the cards. He was bitter that Duran never granted him a rematch, claiming he had worked out a way to beat the Panamanian legend in their fight (and brilliant movement was the way to beat Duran, so he probably had) but he did get a shot at Guts Ishimatu for the WBC lightweight title in Japan in 1975 and was closely outpointed. He had been thumbed in the eye in the build-up to that fight by a 'planted' Japanese sparring partner.
Ken never got another shot at a world title, although he deserved one after he was robbed in a European title encounter with Derry's Charlie Nash in Denmark in 1979, and it was Nash who got a shot at WBC lightweight champion Jim Watt three months later in Glasgow and was destroyed in four rounds. Buchanan had previously beaten Watt over 15 rounds. Kenny stuck it out for a couple more years, clearly past his best, but he still won most of his fights until he eventually called it quits in 1981 with an outstanding record of 61-8 (27). Duran was the only man to stop him.

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Hope this gets made. They should have collecting buckets outside every major boxing show until the target is achieved.
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Really hope they get this done. I'll be taking the kids a wee day trip to Edinburgh when it's up :TU:
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I'd love to see Buchanan get a statue, he's one of the best fighters ever from these shores, I read his autobiography last year and it was a cracking read, he has never accepted the loss to Duran, nor have I TBH it was a BS stoppage regardless who was winning the fight at the time, cant see how you can lose via KO on a foul??
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Good read that Bennie. Would have lived to see Buchanan live back then.
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Hopefully it gets done :TU: what a fighter
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handsofstone wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 10:28 I'd love to see Buchanan get a statue, he's one of the best fighters ever from these shores, I read his autobiography last year and it was a cracking read, he has never accepted the loss to Duran, nor have I TBH it was a BS stoppage regardless who was winning the fight at the time, cant see how you can lose via KO on a foul??
Speaks volumes that Duran was never interested in the rematch. I hadn't realised he had an autobiography! Deffo one for the shopping list :TU:
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I think it's harder for bigger cities to erect statues because of all the moaners putting their oar in.
"Boxings dangerous, should we be promoting that?"
"But so and so deserves a statue more than he does"

You have a much better chance from small/medium sized towns.
I know more sports people honoured by statues in smaller towns than big cities.
I wish them well in raising the final few quid needed :TU:
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Stuarty wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 11:12
handsofstone wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 10:28 I'd love to see Buchanan get a statue, he's one of the best fighters ever from these shores, I read his autobiography last year and it was a cracking read, he has never accepted the loss to Duran, nor have I TBH it was a BS stoppage regardless who was winning the fight at the time, cant see how you can lose via KO on a foul??
Speaks volumes that Duran was never interested in the rematch. I hadn't realised he had an autobiography! Deffo one for the shopping list :TU:
PM your address if you want mate i'll send you it, ive read it anyway, I got it from a charity shop for about 50p :TU:
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In my humble opinion Buchanan is Scotland's greatest ever boxer. He was like a machine. He never seemed to tire and I reckon he could have fought 30 rounds never mind 15.
The jab and right cross came out non stop and never gave an opponent a seconds rest. He never bobbed and weaved just bent from the waist to avoid punches so was always within range. You would think that from such an upright stance he'd be vulnerable, but he was constantly throwing stiff straight pinches.
Buchanan chased the money which meant he was probably more popular in New York than Edinburgh and its a shame he had so few fights in Scotland.
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I've had the privilege and the pleasure to meet Kenny a few times, the first time back in the 1970s when he seconded his brother, Alan, in a war with Pat Cowdell at Wolverhampton's Civic Hall. Alan could also fight but Kenny was a bit special and anyone who beats Ismael Laguna (twice), Ruben Navarro, Antonio Puddu, Jim Watt and goes 13 rounds with a lightweight Roberto Duran deserves permanent recognition.
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bennie wrote: 24 Apr 2018, 10:14 I've had the privilege and the pleasure to meet Kenny a few times, the first time back in the 1970s when he seconded his brother, Alan, in a war with Pat Cowdell at Wolverhampton's Civic Hall. Alan could also fight but Kenny was a bit special and anyone who beats Ismael Laguna (twice), Ruben Navarro, Antonio Puddu, Jim Watt and goes 13 rounds with a lightweight Roberto Duran deserves permanent recognition.
How do you think a rematch with Duran would've went Bennie?
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I have heard that Kenny was offered a rematch in Panama but felt that the heat there would be too oppressive against a man like Duran and he's right. He wanted Duran in New York again but the Panamanian pulled out of a non-title fight with Carlos Ortiz at the Garden in September 1972 (Kenny took his place and easily stopped the washed-up Ortiz) and this angered matchmaker Teddy Brenner, who then plucked Esteban De Jesus for Duran and the dangerous Puerto Rican became the first man to beat Duran, flooring him in the first round and rocking him several more times on the way to a clear decision. Duran's cause wasn't helped by a series of first-round wins going into the 10-rounder. He just wasn't prepared for a long, hard fight and his hatred of Puerto Ricans also stems from this fight, as the Puerto Rican fans cheered De Jesus on wildly and carried him from the ring back to his dressing room at the finish.
Duran never fought again at the Garden for six years so it was never really a case of Duran avoiding Buchanan, it was the usual boxing politics, the usual boxing treachery, and you have to remember that Kenny wasn't a draw over here so there was no chance of it happening here. As for a rematch, Duran would have won because Duran was the improving fighter and Kenny wasn't but Kenny would have dragged him into the later rounds and I believe that one of Duran's vicious rights to the body, which he brought into his arsenal sparingly and brutally, would have surprised a tiring Buchanan and sent him down, writhing in agony, for the count in the 14th round. Duran would never have finished Buchanan with a head shot.
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bennie wrote: 24 Apr 2018, 10:50 I have heard that Kenny was offered a rematch in Panama but felt that the heat there would be too oppressive against a man like Duran and he's right. He wanted Duran in New York again but the Panamanian pulled out of a non-title fight with Carlos Ortiz at the Garden in September 1972 (Kenny took his place and easily stopped the washed-up Ortiz) and this angered matchmaker Teddy Brenner, who then plucked Esteban De Jesus for Duran and the dangerous Puerto Rican became the first man to beat Duran, flooring him in the first round and rocking him several more times on the way to a clear decision. Duran's cause wasn't helped by a series of first-round wins going into the 10-rounder. He just wasn't prepared for a long, hard fight and his hatred of Puerto Ricans also stems from this fight, as the Puerto Rican fans cheered De Jesus on wildly and carried him from the ring back to his dressing room at the finish.
Duran never fought again at the Garden for six years so it was never really a case of Duran avoiding Buchanan, it was the usual boxing politics, the usual boxing treachery, and you have to remember that Kenny wasn't a draw over here so there was no chance of it happening here. As for a rematch, Duran would have won because Duran was the improving fighter and Kenny wasn't but Kenny would have dragged him into the later rounds and I believe that one of Duran's vicious rights to the body, which he brought into his arsenal sparingly and brutally, would have surprised a tiring Buchanan and sent him down, writhing in agony, for the count in the 14th round. Duran would never have finished Buchanan with a head shot.
Thanks for the insight mate :TU:

He was my old mans hero. My dad was working on a building site in Paisley and asked him to move his ladders then realised who he was. He was working as a joiner at the time. Made my dads year meeting him.
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Stuarty wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 11:12
handsofstone wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 10:28 I'd love to see Buchanan get a statue, he's one of the best fighters ever from these shores, I read his autobiography last year and it was a cracking read, he has never accepted the loss to Duran, nor have I TBH it was a BS stoppage regardless who was winning the fight at the time, cant see how you can lose via KO on a foul??
Speaks volumes that Duran was never interested in the rematch. I hadn't realised he had an autobiography! Deffo one for the shopping list :TU:
He has had about three out 'High Life and Hard Times' was his first and is a cracking read. :TU:

The last one was where he went to New York to find Duran and to challenge him to a street fight.
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Wigan_Unathletic wrote: 24 Apr 2018, 11:27
Stuarty wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 11:12
handsofstone wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 10:28 I'd love to see Buchanan get a statue, he's one of the best fighters ever from these shores, I read his autobiography last year and it was a cracking read, he has never accepted the loss to Duran, nor have I TBH it was a BS stoppage regardless who was winning the fight at the time, cant see how you can lose via KO on a foul??
Speaks volumes that Duran was never interested in the rematch. I hadn't realised he had an autobiography! Deffo one for the shopping list :TU:
He has had about three out 'High Life and Hard Times' was his first and is a cracking read. :TU:

The last one was where he went to New York to find Duran and to challenge him to a street fight.
I remember reading a bit in the paper here about how he was always raging at Duran. Even years later Duran wouldn't meet him in case he went for him :lol:
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