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Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 15:16 Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 01:57 Thought it deserved it's own thread. Who would win Lennox Lewis of 1994 or Anthony Joshua of 2018?

Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 15:16Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed and out punched by a Joshua.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 16:03

Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 15:16 Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed

I won't comment all your wet dreams, as they are just to be laughed at, but particularly this is a hard distortion of facts.

man wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 17:18

Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 15:16Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed and out punched by a Joshua.

i don't think that is an accurate
description of that night.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 18:47 I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 18:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 18:47 I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

That's true.

Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 20:43

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 18:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 18:47 I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

That's true.

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

DrDuke wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 03:29

Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 20:43

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 18:48

That's true.

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

Kalan wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 12:17

DrDuke wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 03:29

Kalan wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 20:43

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

What happened??? ... Did somebody hit you with laughing gas so you can't make a reasoned comment???

Seamus wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 08:16 Lewis would land an overhand right early and he would hit Joshua alot harder than he's ever been hit in his career. Prime Lennox would finish what Old Klitschko couldn't. I think this one ends early after Lewis scores a couple knockdowns around the 4th or 5th.

Kalan wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 12:46 Why? Are there unknown skills he has to master?

And I don't do that... AJ can and will get better because he's 28... But Lewis had major flaws and Joshua doesn't.

Kalan wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 13:35 The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s. EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

DrDuke wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 13:50

Kalan wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 13:35 The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s. EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

You don't need to be a cook to judge how good the dish is. The same is here. I'm not trying to pretend, that I know better about boxing, than a top level boxer. But there are some visible flaws, you don't try to look more aware of the game, if you mention them. Maybe different analysts and observers should shut up and we all should stop commeting, cause boxers know better? Of course, no.

Lewis' biggest trouble was his periodical lack of motivation, looking through opponents. That just what was with Rahman, McCall, and Vitali. And you should remember, what has happened in the rematches with two of them.

Kalan wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 14:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 13:50

Kalan wrote: ↑03 May 2018, 13:35 The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s. EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

You don't need to be a cook to judge how good the dish is. The same is here. I'm not trying to pretend, that I know better about boxing, than a top level boxer. But there are some visible flaws, you don't try to look more aware of the game, if you mention them. Maybe different analysts and observers should shut up and we all should stop commeting, cause boxers know better? Of course, no.

Lewis' biggest trouble was his periodical lack of motivation, looking through opponents. That just what was with Rahman, McCall, and Vitali. And you should remember, what has happened in the rematches with two of them.

Lewis didn't have the professionalism and drive of Joshua to be sure...

Yes I remember the rematches.... Rahman was 2nd rater to begin with... There was no possibility of him beating anyone like Lewis twice -- anymore than winning two 300,000,000 dollar lottery jackpots with 2 tickets.

McCall had the technical ability to beat Lewis... But he was an emotional crybaby if he lacked a coach like Emanuel Steward... He broke down and started crying when he saw Steward in the opposite corner ... give me a break.

And you don't have to be a cook to sample the dish... But you need active taste buds, a good set of nostrils, and a discriminating palate... I fear you don't have any of those if you can't tell Joshua is a more complete boxer than Lewis, who got hit with everything... Lewis was a slop house puncher at times....even a brawler.