GBP Prez about GGG-Canelo rematch: “As of right now, it’s dead”

[apollo creed]

“As of right now, it’s dead,” Gomez said to the Press Enterprise.
“We wasted five, six weeks – give or take – waiting on an answer from them. All the major deal points were done. They came back [on Thursday] with ridiculous demands, just ridiculous. Really, to wait five, six weeks for the type of answer they came back with [on Thursday], it’s insulting.”
Gomez said the deal for the rematch was in place before and after it was canceled for May 5.
At the moment Golovkin is looking for a better financial package.
He believes Golovkin made these fresh demands because he's having seconds thoughts about the fight - out of pure fear.
"We’re moving on. I do believe [Golovkin is scared], because it’s been one excuse after another,” Gomez said. “… With what they came back with [on Thursday], they clearly want to kill the fight.”

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If those demands are not just financially ? I mean it could be about judges, referee, gloves/hand-wrpas, post-fight PED testing , etc ?! Also maybe Canelo was pricing out himself to not fight GGG.

GGG vs Derev , Murata or BJS unification next ?!

[Heretic]

Good news. We already saw GGG beating Canelo up. No need for rematch. Now it is time for something new.

Loads of good fights for GGG to take

[Heretic]

If those demands are not just financially ? I mean it could be about judges, referee, gloves/hand-wrpas, post-fight PED testing , etc ?!

Maybe they didn't agree on Adelaide judging this time

[skinnysteve]

the dirty little drug cheating scumbag will have to look elsewhere

[apollo creed]

If those demands are not just financially ? I mean it could be about judges, referee, gloves/hand-wrpas, post-fight PED testing , etc ?!

Maybe they didn't agree on Adelaide judging this time

Moretti, Byrd and Ross = UD for Canelo

[apollo creed]

Good news. We already saw GGG beating Canelo up. No need for rematch. Now it is time for something new.

Loads of good fights for GGG to take

GGG should take care of Derev. first!

[Thomastearns]

This fight is unlikely to happen now that Canelo getting tested. It took a shedload of concessions and injections to get him to eventually step up last time.

Time for the Golovkin camp to move on. Give it 2 more weeks and in the meantime start preparing contracts for alternative options. I have no issues with waiting for Wilder/Joshua but this just stinks. GGG has lost enough precious time with this bullshit.

[apollo creed]

the dirty little drug cheating scumbag will have to look elsewhere

Spike O'Sullivan, Margarito, Mayorga, Chavez Jr II, etc. Plenty of fan-friendly fights for Canelo with NO restrictions, ridiculous demands and concensions.

[apollo creed]

This fight is unlikely to happen now that Canelo getting tested. It took a shedload of concessions and injections to get him to eventually step up last time.

Time for the Golovkin camp to move on. Give it 2 more weeks and in the meantime start preparing contracts for alternative options. I have no issues with waiting for Wilder/Joshua but this just stinks. GGG has lost enough precious time with this bullshit.

I wonder if he can try to unify with BJS withought fighting Derev ? I know it's very hard since BJS would probably ask for 50-50 split of money.

[Blodhemn]

It'll happen. They should keep hitting those demands and eventually GBP will cave. Canelo has it all to prove. They all know it.

That said, until neutral judges are used in USA title fights, there will never be an even playing field.

[lazboy]

I’d love to know all the behind the scenes demands from golden boy. That would be interesting. Gloves, ref, judges, promotion...who knows what else. Make it public please.

[apollo creed]

I’d love to know all the behind the scenes demands from golden boy. That would be interesting. Gloves, ref, judges, promotion...who knows what else. Make it public please.

Yeah I think GGG only had his 40% split and no demands more. All other many things/advantages probably were in Canelo's favor.

[Nightmare Roy]

"Having second thoughts out of fear" yeah fear of getting robbed again, can't fcuking stand GBP and Canelo, rotten the lot of them

[SenorPipino]

I hope Canelo moves on.

I'm tired of listening to the B side constantly complain about what he thinks he deserves.

What Golovkin deserves are those $1 million paydays he pockets for fighting the Martiroysan's of the world.

The numbers don't lie.

The guy "draws" under 200,000 PPV buys for his two bouts with Lemiuex and Jacobs, and he actually believes he's a huge attraction and deserves parity with Canelo.

And of course naive fans constantly shout that "it's not about the money" with the principaled Golovkin.

Funny stuff and complete BS.

Golovkin couldn't even sell out a 8,000 seat stadium for the Cinco de Mayo fight. Three-quarters full at most.

Apparently he couldn't convince fans that it was actually going to be "Mexican style" fighting. Latino boxing fans aren't gullible.

So while Canelo can pick up a leisurely $15 million or so disposing of O'Sullivan, let Golovkin put his belts in jeopardy against Derevyanchenko for chicken feed money.

Loeffler and Golovkin want to play ridiculous hard ball. But they'll quickly find that ball smacking them right in the face.

[ewenhay]

If Alvarez didn’t generate big money no one would talk about him. His ability to generate income is completely disproportionate to his ability in the ring, with our without banned substances.

The one thing we are in agreement on is that the negotiations are tiresome.

Golovkin should move on and try and unify against Saunders and other interesting fights out there at middleweight. Alvarez can continue his career fighting at catchweights against fighters happy with whatever crumbs he leaves on the table.

[ewenhay]

I hope Canelo moves on.

I'm tired of listening to the B side constantly complain about what he thinks he deserves.

What Golovkin deserves are those $1 million paydays he pockets for fighting the Martiroysan's of the world.

The numbers don't lie.

The guy "draws" under 200,000 PPV buys for his two bouts with Lemiuex and Jacobs, and he actually believes he's a huge attraction and deserves parity with Canelo.

And of course naive fans constantly shout that "it's not about the money" with the principaled Golovkin.

Funny stuff and complete BS.

Golovkin couldn't even sell out a 8,000 seat stadium for the Cinco de Mayo fight. Three-quarters full at most.

Apparently he couldn't convince fans that it was actually going to be "Mexican style" fighting. Latino boxing fans aren't gullible.

So while Canelo can pick up a leisurely $15 million or so disposing of O'Sullivan, let Golovkin put his belts in jeopardy against Derevyanchenko for chicken feed money.

Loeffler and Golovkin want to play ridiculous hard ball. But they'll quickly find that ball smacking them right in the face.

Interesting post. Sounds like you'd be pleased if Golovkin took tougher fights for less money while Alvarez pads his bank account and record against fighters who won't have much chance of beating them.

You're only interested in Alverez's pay cheque, not in the sport

[tiny_acres]

For those who argue that GGG could not make close to this amount and should be grateful for the pay raise.
Who else besides GGG could Canelo fight for the same money in September?

[apollo creed]

For those who argue that GGG could not make close to this amount and should be grateful for the pay raise.
Who else besides GGG could Canelo fight for the same money in September?

No one. Without GGG, Canelo won't make those kind of money he did in the first fight.

[tiny_acres]

For those who argue that GGG could not make close to this amount and should be grateful for the pay raise.
Who else besides GGG could Canelo fight for the same money in September?

No one. Without GGG, Canelo won't make those kind of money he did in the first fight.

also we do not know how much the drug scandal will affect Canelo's drawing power. I know he has die hard fans
but this will affect his drawing power to a point.
How much is yet to be determined.
Canelo needs this fight as much or more than GGG

[apollo creed]

For those who argue that GGG could not make close to this amount and should be grateful for the pay raise.
Who else besides GGG could Canelo fight for the same money in September?

No one. Without GGG, Canelo won't make those kind of money he did in the first fight.

also we do not know how much the drug scandal will affect Canelo's drawing power. I know he has die hard fans
but this will affect his drawing power to a point.
How much is yet to be determined.
Canelo needs this fight as much or more than GGG

[apollo creed]

I don't know why but I have the feeling this fight will be announced next week. Probably a marketing gimmick to increase the interest.

[squiggy]

I hope Canelo moves on.

I'm tired of listening to the B side constantly complain about what he thinks he deserves.

What Golovkin deserves are those $1 million paydays he pockets for fighting the Martiroysan's of the world.

The numbers don't lie.

The guy "draws" under 200,000 PPV buys for his two bouts with Lemiuex and Jacobs, and he actually believes he's a huge attraction and deserves parity with Canelo.

And of course naive fans constantly shout that "it's not about the money" with the principaled Golovkin.

Funny stuff and complete BS.

Golovkin couldn't even sell out a 8,000 seat stadium for the Cinco de Mayo fight. Three-quarters full at most.

Apparently he couldn't convince fans that it was actually going to be "Mexican style" fighting. Latino boxing fans aren't gullible.

So while Canelo can pick up a leisurely $15 million or so disposing of O'Sullivan, let Golovkin put his belts in jeopardy against Derevyanchenko for chicken feed money.

Loeffler and Golovkin want to play ridiculous hard ball. But they'll quickly find that ball smacking them right in the face.

Interesting post. Sounds like you'd be pleased if Golovkin took tougher fights for less money while Alvarez pads his bank account and record against fighters who won't have much chance of beating them.

You're only interested in Alverez's pay cheque, not in the sport

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There ought to be a separate "Bank Accounts of the Stars" forum for people who want to obsess over ticket sales and drool over "A side" pay rates.

[SenorPipino]

I hope Canelo moves on.

I'm tired of listening to the B side constantly complain about what he thinks he deserves.

What Golovkin deserves are those $1 million paydays he pockets for fighting the Martiroysan's of the world.

The numbers don't lie.

The guy "draws" under 200,000 PPV buys for his two bouts with Lemiuex and Jacobs, and he actually believes he's a huge attraction and deserves parity with Canelo.

And of course naive fans constantly shout that "it's not about the money" with the principaled Golovkin.

Funny stuff and complete BS.

Golovkin couldn't even sell out a 8,000 seat stadium for the Cinco de Mayo fight. Three-quarters full at most.

Apparently he couldn't convince fans that it was actually going to be "Mexican style" fighting. Latino boxing fans aren't gullible.

So while Canelo can pick up a leisurely $15 million or so disposing of O'Sullivan, let Golovkin put his belts in jeopardy against Derevyanchenko for chicken feed money.

Loeffler and Golovkin want to play ridiculous hard ball. But they'll quickly find that ball smacking them right in the face.

Interesting post. Sounds like you'd be pleased if Golovkin took tougher fights for less money while Alvarez pads his bank account and record against fighters who won't have much chance of beating them.

You're only interested in Alverez's pay cheque, not in the sport

I'm talking from the fighter's perspective.

I want to see the fight, but so few here are willing to concede that the super fights (and boxing in general, to a lesser degree) are big business. And in big business, negotiations and revenue take precedent before the product.

I don't begrudge either Canelo or Golovkin for wanting as much of a cut as possible. They put their careers and even lives on the line, so why settle for scraps?

But the reality is that top stars, in any profession, are the ones who make the top dollars. They're the ones who get paid the most.

And Canelo, judging by his sustained PPV numbers, is the top star. Especially when compared to the dismal PPV sales of Golovkin's 2 bouts with Jacobs and Lemieux.

It's all about who attracts the eyeballs. Who brings in the cash. That's what determine who gets paid what. Shiny belts used to mean something in boxing. But today, fans could care less about championships. They're too diluted to mean much.

And Loeffler and Golovkin obviously know that. They were (are) the unbeaten defending champion last year and yet they still agreed to a 30/70 split. Why?

Because they knew who the true attraction in the fight was--Canelo, with his legion of Latino supporters. A champion doesn't take just 30% of the guarantee unless he fully knows he's not the A side, despite all those shiny belts.

But even with just 30%, Golovkin easily received the payday of a lifetime. And that's thanks to Canelo Alvarez in the opposite corner.

In the leadup to the expected May 5 rematch, Canelo made a concession before the cancellation. He allowed Golovkin 35% for the rematch.

It was apparently good enough for Golovkin at that time. Hesigned on the dotted line.

But suddenly it's no good. He and Loeffler now claim to want parity, pointing to the cancellation and Canelo's botched drug tests as reasons to revise the contracts.

It's not going to happen. Nothing that has transpired since has decreased Canelo's value as a superstar or enhanced Golovkin's status as deserving of more.

It was 65/35 for Cinco de Mayo. If the fight is to happen, it must remain 65/35 for Mexican Independence Day.

Fans want to see fights. They don't care about the money. I get that. But the fighters do care.

It's not a bar fight. It's a professional contest. Until (if) the purses are sorted out, the rematch will remain on hold. And it doesn't bother me because if I was in their situation, I too would be concerned with my paycheck first, the fans second.

In the end, I expect Golovkin to capitulate and agree to GBP's offer. It's still easily the biggest purse of his career and he knows that.

No, Canelo can't make $40 million + with any other middleweight but Golovkin. But lucrative Pacquiao-like paydays ($25 million) are pretty certain. Big money is his no matter who he fights.

All this talk during negotiations about drug testing, judges and fight location, is nothing but a smokescreen. Not really important.

I say over and over, it's only about the money. For both Canelo and Golovkin. It always has been, always will.

Nothing will change this time.

[boxing_rocks]

There is no way Golovkin agrees to 35 percent now when this became public. It will have to be at least 40 for the fight to happen. Loeffler made the numbers public on purpose. Some fans thought that Golovkin already had 40 and was pricing himself out. Now if the fight doesn't happen, it will be Canelo pricing himself out.

[SenorPipino]

There is no way Golovkin agrees to 35 percent now when this became public. It will have to be at least 40 for the fight to happen. Loeffler made the numbers public on purpose. Some fans thought that Golovkin already had 40 and was pricing himself out. Now if the fight doesn't happen, it will be Canelo pricing himself out.

But as I said, Canelo can still make the top paydays in the sport, with or without Golovkin.

Golovkin can't.

He and Loeffler see the cancellation and drug testing results as an opportunity to try and squeeze more money out of GBP.

Canelo can afford to call Loeffler's bluff.

But can Golovkin truly afford to stand firm and ride out his bluff to the bitter end?

He can't. And I'm betting he won't.