Canelo Golovkin 1. How Did You See It?

How Did You See It?

Easy win for GGG
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Close fight but GGG edged it
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Draw was fair enough
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11%
Canelo won
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10%
 
Total votes: 80

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Post by Taansend »

I know there was uproar because of Adelaide Byrds ridiculous scorecard but how did you see it?

Clear win for Golovkin? Close fight?

I scored it (I was drunk) & had it a draw but I can see how someone not scoring it would have Golovkin winning. He was pressing the fight. But I felt that Canelo's defensive work & counter punching was overlooked.

I'm going to watch it again a week or two before the rematch and I might well have a different outcome. I remember looking at my scorecards & having too many even rounds but - at the time - that's what I felt was warranted.

I definitely didn't feel that Canelo won but I don't think a draw was a horrible result either.

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Post by Horse »

The draw was fair.
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Post by Taansend »

Looking at the Compubox stats (I know, stats don't tell the whole story) Canelo landed a higher percentage of punches in 8 of the rounds but Golovkin landed more punches in 10 of the rounds.

It's still crazy to think that Byrd only gave Golovkin two rounds :OhYes:

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Golovkin by 8-4. Ludicrous judging.
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samwbr wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:06 Golovkin by 8-4. Ludicrous judging.
So easy win for Golovkin then. Will you vote that please Sam just so I can see how people feel. Cheers
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Golovkin won it. He dictated the pace, he was more active, he was more effective, what's the most important. Canelo could have landed the biggest punches of the fight, but he didn't do too much for the victory, he didn't score enough for it as the result. Judges clearly helped him, which had already been common.
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Maybe Golovkin should have spent less time jabbing and more time throwing power punches.

When you let your opponent land more power punches then you will always be giving them a chance to nick the result.
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Taansend wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:08
samwbr wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:06 Golovkin by 8-4. Ludicrous judging.
So easy win for Golovkin then. Will you vote that please Sam just so I can see how people feel. Cheers
Some of the 8 were close but I feel he did plenty to get the win.
Have voted.
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Post by gilgamesh »

Anything from 115-113 GGG to 117-111 GGG is fair.

It wasn't a draw, and the 118-110 Canelo score was blatant corruption.
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gilgamesh wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:36 Anything from 115-113 GGG to 117-111 GGG is fair.

It wasn't a draw, and the 118-110 Canelo score was blatant corruption.
Exactly what I was going to post :TU:
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Post by ElJefe »

Golovkin 8-4. I wouldn't have said 'easy' but I think that's more accurate than it being a close fight so I voted for easy.
Horse wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:14 Maybe Golovkin should have spent less time jabbing and more time throwing power punches.

When you let your opponent land more power punches then you will always be giving them a chance to nick the result.
He should have spent more time jabbing. I don't think I've seen him lose a round in which he commits to throwing his jab consistently.
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ElJefe wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:39 Golovkin 8-4. I wouldn't have said 'easy' but I think that's more accurate than it being a close fight so I voted for easy.
Horse wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:14 Maybe Golovkin should have spent less time jabbing and more time throwing power punches.

When you let your opponent land more power punches then you will always be giving them a chance to nick the result.
He should have spent more time jabbing. I don't think I've seen him lose a round in which he commits to throwing his jab consistently.
If you think a fighter wins 8 rounds of a fight I'd say that would be an easy win, maybe not in terms of the actual fighter but on the cards. Not really close if he wins twice as many rounds.
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Taansend wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:45
ElJefe wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:39 Golovkin 8-4. I wouldn't have said 'easy' but I think that's more accurate than it being a close fight so I voted for easy.
Horse wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:14 Maybe Golovkin should have spent less time jabbing and more time throwing power punches.

When you let your opponent land more power punches then you will always be giving them a chance to nick the result.
He should have spent more time jabbing. I don't think I've seen him lose a round in which he commits to throwing his jab consistently.
If you think a fighter wins 8 rounds of a fight I'd say that would be an easy win, maybe not in terms of the actual fighter but on the cards. Not really close if he wins twice as many rounds.
I suppose. I'd say competitive but clear rather than easy though, Golovkin was made to work for most of those 8 rounds. Definitely a clear winner though.
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ElJefe wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:59
Taansend wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:45
ElJefe wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:39 Golovkin 8-4. I wouldn't have said 'easy' but I think that's more accurate than it being a close fight so I voted for easy.



He should have spent more time jabbing. I don't think I've seen him lose a round in which he commits to throwing his jab consistently.
If you think a fighter wins 8 rounds of a fight I'd say that would be an easy win, maybe not in terms of the actual fighter but on the cards. Not really close if he wins twice as many rounds.
I suppose. I'd say competitive but clear rather than easy though, Golovkin was made to work for most of those 8 rounds. Definitely a clear winner though.
I'm just talking about the scoring. Anything more than 3 rounds has to be labeled clear winner.

I like how no one has voted for Canelo Win. Only me & 'Orse thinks a draw was fair too.
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I had Alvarez up by two points.
Either man winning by a couple of points or a draw would’ve been fine. If the card for Canelo had been a couple of rounds rather than 10-2 I don’t think anyone would have complained about a draw and would have just looked forward to a repeat.
It’s now become common to think of it as ‘Golovkin was robbed’ but it was a close and competitive contest.
Golovkin was the aggressor but Alvarez controlled him and spun away from the right beautifully, launching sharp counters as he did so. There is a highlight video doing the rounds which is similar to the highlight video of Mayweather doing the same to Alvarez when they boxed.
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I had it 116-112 for Golovkin
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Canelo crafted his way to a relatively close loss, to which some responded favourably because Golovkin wasn't able to dominate him.

I think Golovkin would've been virtually everyone's winner had the two been debutants. But it was easy to give Canelo more credit on the night because of prior expectations. I don't feel that he quite deserved that draw (Jacobs is the real argument there), and that was his best effort until Golovkin further declines.
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leejonesjnr wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 14:59 I had Alvarez up by two points.
Either man winning by a couple of points or a draw would’ve been fine. If the card for Canelo had been a couple of rounds rather than 10-2 I don’t think anyone would have complained about a draw and would have just looked forward to a repeat.
It’s now become common to think of it as ‘Golovkin was robbed’ but it was a close and competitive contest.
Golovkin was the aggressor but Alvarez controlled him and spun away from the right beautifully, launching sharp counters as he did so. There is a highlight video doing the rounds which is similar to the highlight video of Mayweather doing the same to Alvarez when they boxed.
He was robbed by that ridiculous card for Alvarez. The Commission apologized, it's pretty clear what happened.
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Post by jamesmcdonnell »

I thought it was a relatively close but clear win for GGG, Canelo just didn't do enough to clearly win enough rounds.

It was also a very dull fight.
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handsofstone wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 15:14 I had it 116-112 for Golovkin
Me too.
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leejonesjnr wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 14:59 I had Alvarez up by two points.
Either man winning by a couple of points or a draw would’ve been fine. If the card for Canelo had been a couple of rounds rather than 10-2 I don’t think anyone would have complained about a draw and would have just looked forward to a repeat.
It’s now become common to think of it as ‘Golovkin was robbed’ but it was a close and competitive contest.
Golovkin was the aggressor but Alvarez controlled him and spun away from the right beautifully, launching sharp counters as he did so. There is a highlight video doing the rounds which is similar to the highlight video of Mayweather doing the same to Alvarez when they boxed.

I agree. And my mates said he ran like a bitch! They dont get it!
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Post by ewenhay »

I thought it was close. I couldn't make a case for Alvarez winning the fight but wouldn't have complained if Golovkin had got the nod.

I wasn't outraged by the draw announcement as by that point I was half expecting it.
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Post by Deleted_Scenes »

I thought competitive, but clear, to Golovkin. I don't have a problem with anyone thinking it was close. There were a few close rounds. I just thought Canelo fought in spurts, trying to steal rounds with 20 seconds of flashiness, whereas Golovkin was far more consistently effective, although less eye catching.

8-3 and 1 even was how I scored it on the night. I'd say anything between 7-5 and 9-3 is acceptable. Outside of that range gives too much benefit of the doubt to one fighter.
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7-4-1 Golovkin. But I expected Golovkin to have more ideas and urgency.
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Horse wrote: 15 Jun 2018, 12:14 Maybe Golovkin should have spent less time jabbing and more time throwing power punches.

When you let your opponent land more power punches then you will always be giving them a chance to nick the result.
Didn't he throw more big punches than Canelo anyway? I don't read that CompuBox crap but I thought he did. Canelo was good at times and threw some good shots but it was always moving back and because he was desperate to keep GGG off. GGG was in control. Was a top quality fight but I had GGG winning by 3 or 4 clear rounds. Subjective though man! I could genuinely understand somebody who scored a draw but that was being kind. I couldn't give Canelo the fight at all although he won a fan in me that night! Well, before all this shite happened!
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