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if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 12:03
by jamamb
?
i see a bunch of ppl calling for him in the brit top 30 thread, suddenly eager to claim him as british, but he was born in ghana, lived there till 7, boxed for ghana in olympics and has had 10 of 20 pro fights there (vs 1 in uk)
lenny moved to canada in his youth, learned to box there , and won gold for them in the olympics
and if dogboe is brit and ghanian, was lenny canadian and british?
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 13:12
by handsofstone
Bit of a grey area but I personally believe your nationality is the country you were born regardless of how long you actually lived in your country of birth, ive not got strong opinions on it mind, nationality plays no part in your make up or psyche
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 13:22
by keithmoonhangover
handsofstone wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 13:12
Bit of a grey area but I personally believe your nationality is the country you were born regardless of how long you actually lived in your country of birth, ive not got strong opinions on it mind, nationality plays no part in your make up or psyche
I've got joint nationality.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 13:29
by banjo
Depends, my wife was born and lived in Florida until she was 14(now 40) identifies more as British.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 13:49
by keithmoonhangover
banjo wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 13:29
Depends, my wife was born and lived in Florida until she was 14(now 40) identifies more as British.
Is she in Horse's top 30?
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 13:52
by banjo
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 13:49
banjo wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 13:29
Depends, my wife was born and lived in Florida until she was 14(now 40) identifies more as British.
Is she in Horse's top 30?
Wouldn't surprise me
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 14:07
by leejonesjnr
Really? 2018 and people can't cope with dual nationality and mixed race?
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 14:12
by jamamb
what im particularly interested in is if anyone thinks dog counts as brit but then denies len counting as canadian, or vice versa
ya can be dual nationality in which case if dogs brit and ghanian len seems defo the pride of canadian as well as brit, but i wonder what others think
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 14:17
by mickey1975
jamamb wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 14:12
what im particularly interested in is if anyone thinks dog counts as brit but then denies len counting as canadian, or vice versa
ya can be dual nationality in which case if dogs brit and ghanian len seems defo the pride of canadian as well as brit, but i wonder what others think
Lennox identifies himself as Jamaican.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 14:26
by skanksta
Lennox was always a bit of a plastic Brit.
I was never completely comfortable claiming him. He's clearly an international guy - But he WAS born in London and lived there 'til he was 9, so I'll take him.
Dogboe isn't British end of.
Honorary South Londoner ? Yes
Qualifies for a British rating by residence ? Yes
But he doesn't consider himself British and neither should we.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 14:29
by skanksta
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 14:07
Really? 2018 and people can't cope with dual nationality and mixed race?
Race has nothing to do with this - at least not from me.
Mo Farah is a British hero and Johanna Konta is a plastic wearing our flag.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 14:39
by keithmoonhangover
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 14:07
Really? 2018 and people can't cope with dual nationality and mixed race?
It's a question about boxing rankings on an Internet forum, it's hardly an EDL meeting.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 15:09
by skanksta
jamamb wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 14:12
what im particularly interested in is if anyone thinks dog counts as brit but then denies len counting as canadian, or vice versa
ya can be dual nationality in which case if dogs brit and ghanian len seems defo the pride of canadian as well as brit, but i wonder what others think
Lennox can be British if he wants, Dogboe can't.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 15:13
by smiling assassin
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 14:07
Really? 2018 and people can't cope with dual nationality and mixed race?
Lee you ain't part of the PC brigade are you mate
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 15:19
by leejonesjnr
Dunno where the post I just wrote went?
Anyway, basically it said that it seems madness that such things merit discussion in this day and age.
The highest profile example I can think of is a man who was qualified to represent Canada through residency, qualified to base his pro career in England through birth and freely admits that it was an entirely commercial decision, and seems to identify as Jamaican through heritage.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 15:32
by keithmoonhangover
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 15:19
Dunno where the post I just wrote went?
Anyway, basically it said that it seems madness that such things merit discussion in this day and age.
The highest profile example I can think of is a man who was qualified to represent Canada through residency, qualified to base his pro career in England through birth and freely admits that it was an entirely commercial decision, and seems to identify as Jamaican through heritage.
When he was boxing I would rate him in British and Canadian rankings, no issue. As the old saying goes, 'if he wins, he's British'.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 15:32
by Horse
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 15:19Anyway, basically it said that it seems madness that such things merit discussion in this day and age.
What a virtuous man you must be.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 15:35
by gilgamesh
I honestly didn't even realize Dogboe lived in England. I assumed he fought out of Ghana, and still lived there.
If he currently resides in England though I don't see any reason why he couldn't be ranked as a British Boxer, though he doesn't seem to identify himself as British.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 16:24
by Londonirish
gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 15:35
I honestly didn't even realize Dogboe lived in England. I assumed he fought out of Ghana, and still lived there.
If he currently resides in England though I don't see any reason why he couldn't be ranked as a British Boxer, though he doesn't seem to identify himself as British.
I didn’t either, in 2011 Junior ABA’s he got to the finals and he won Sr ABA’s 2013. Boxed In the 2012 Olympics For Ghana. If he was British he would of boxed for Britain.. If he was NO good we wouldn’t even be discussing where he came from.
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 16:38
by jamamb
well that was a funny thing, because for a while he got like no talk here, and i started some threads on him shortly before he won the belt and hardly anyone cared, but now that hes a champ a bunch of ppl are now much more vocal and eager to claim him as british, which raises an interesting question about nationality
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 01 Sep 2018, 17:58
by forcefraser
HE’s more British than Christos and Whyte. He moved to London when he 7
I believe both chisora and whyte were a older than that
Re: if dogboe is british does that mean lewis was canadian?
Posted: 02 Sep 2018, 01:06
by Chinny banger
He does identify as British,he didn’t fight for us in the ams as we didn’t pick him so he represented Ghana.