Mick never really produced them.Floyd the snake wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 15:38 Mick Marsden in Leeds has always gone under the radar but had produced some excellent boxers , Noel Wilders from Castleford was European Champ & Stuey Halll ended up IBF bantam champ , currently training Darren Tetley close to shot at the British title aswell as Dave Allen . Other local trainers who have a good reputation in my area Martin Bateson & Julian McGowan.
coneye wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 19:16 My Opinion is the best trainer is'nt always the guy with his face in the paper , I've got two views ,
One is the best trainer , this is usually in my opinion the guy who quite often does'nt get the recognition , its the guy who takes a raw novice who walks in the gym , and teaches him , to be his personal best , Now unfortunatly not everyone is gonna be a champion , but when you get a 10 year old who loves boxing , has immense talent , and is dedicated , it can be easy , the kid listens watches and absorbs and will learn over the years constant sparring and being in the prescence of others , a kid like this can make even a bad trainer look good .
But when you get a ackward , gangly , unsportsman like kid with no confidence , zero punching power , and a fear of anything and anyone , but you teach him footwork , you give him confidence , you tteach him , to hit hard , and you supervise his sparring , so he does'nt get hurt and gradually and slowly builds a resistance to punches , you watch that kid become an important member of the gym , and you , take him to his first fight , with the WHOLE gym showing up to support him , win or lose it does'nt matter , you done your job , a good job , , and if that kid finishes boxing at the top of his game , the best he can personaly be , well it doe'nt matter if he was a world champ , an ABA champ , or just finisheing with a 1 win 1 losss record , if he has reached HIS own personal heights , then YOU ARE A GOOD TRAINER , because if you can do that with him , training the naturaly talented kid is easy .
Then there is the 2nd guy , someone who may not be a great trainer , but a great cornerman , a guy who can warm you up in the dressing room , and make you go out there feeling like superman , a guy who will tell you this opponent is gonna come out and throw a big left hook , and you trust its gonna happen , cos your cornerman has spotted or knows something , A good cornerman will spot in a second where and what your opponent is open for and tell you , these guys are invaluble especielly in the pro's , For example my old trainer taught me something , quite often if you don't know your opponent , a southpaw wil warm up orthodox to try and catch you out , , my old trainer would try an get a glimspe of him , i said to him a few times no point they will warm up orthodox , he would say , does'nt matter , watch him get outof a seat , and what foot he leads of with ,, and more often than not the wily old fox was correct ,
If you have a trainer who can teach , and be a good cornerman you have a VERY GOOD TRAINER ,,
tHEN THERES A 3RD , AND QUITE OFTEN THIS GUY IS NOTHING MORE THAN A CELEBRITY TRAINER , HE HAS GOT A GOOD NAME BECUASE HIS CELEBRITY STATUS HAS ENNEBLED HIM TO PINCH THE GOOD FIGHTERS OTHER GOOD TRAINERS HAVE PRODUCED
this will always come out in the wash , because sooner or later , he will have to produce his own fighters , then he moves on and another celebrity trainer comes in ,
A good trainer is a thief , he will watch and study everything , be an open sponge , and pick out the best info , even if its bad info , he will injest it digest it , mix it up with all he knows and keep the best bits , throw away the bad ones , and his pupils will benefit from his knoledge and willingness to learn ,
Thers a lot of good trainers out there who have took the uncoordinated , pimply kid with no confidence, and turned him into a confident , kid with a good attitude ,,, Being in charge of a top name boxer does'nt neccesarilly mean your a great trainer , of course some are , , I did have the pleasure of meeting the great Emmanuelle Stewart once , he impressed me , . Johnny lewiss from Australia impressed me , he was a great fitness coach , and very astute cornerman , who knew his boxers ,, Kosta once said about Johnny , i've had 300 ameteur fights been boxing since i was a little boy , he can't teach me anything , BUT I TRUST HIM , , and funny enough Johnny never wanted the Hatton fight , he knew Kosta's days were behind him , Fenech was never technicly a good boxer , but Johnny knew his strenghts and worked on them , he could'nt teach Fenech to be a gifted boxer , but by christ he knew how to harness the agresion and set it lose at the right time .
There are sio many aspects to training lads but theres are so many out there unrecognised who are great at it .
I love your posts on training mateGood read thatconeye wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 19:16 My Opinion is the best trainer is'nt always the guy with his face in the paper , I've got two views ,
One is the best trainer , this is usually in my opinion the guy who quite often does'nt get the recognition , its the guy who takes a raw novice who walks in the gym , and teaches him , to be his personal best , Now unfortunatly not everyone is gonna be a champion , but when you get a 10 year old who loves boxing , has immense talent , and is dedicated , it can be easy , the kid listens watches and absorbs and will learn over the years constant sparring and being in the prescence of others , a kid like this can make even a bad trainer look good .
But when you get a ackward , gangly , unsportsman like kid with no confidence , zero punching power , and a fear of anything and anyone , but you teach him footwork , you give him confidence , you tteach him , to hit hard , and you supervise his sparring , so he does'nt get hurt and gradually and slowly builds a resistance to punches , you watch that kid become an important member of the gym , and you , take him to his first fight , with the WHOLE gym showing up to support him , win or lose it does'nt matter , you done your job , a good job , , and if that kid finishes boxing at the top of his game , the best he can personaly be , well it doe'nt matter if he was a world champ , an ABA champ , or just finisheing with a 1 win 1 losss record , if he has reached HIS own personal heights , then YOU ARE A GOOD TRAINER , because if you can do that with him , training the naturaly talented kid is easy .
Then there is the 2nd guy , someone who may not be a great trainer , but a great cornerman , a guy who can warm you up in the dressing room , and make you go out there feeling like superman , a guy who will tell you this opponent is gonna come out and throw a big left hook , and you trust its gonna happen , cos your cornerman has spotted or knows something , A good cornerman will spot in a second where and what your opponent is open for and tell you , these guys are invaluble especielly in the pro's , For example my old trainer taught me something , quite often if you don't know your opponent , a southpaw wil warm up orthodox to try and catch you out , , my old trainer would try an get a glimspe of him , i said to him a few times no point they will warm up orthodox , he would say , does'nt matter , watch him get outof a seat , and what foot he leads of with ,, and more often than not the wily old fox was correct ,
If you have a trainer who can teach , and be a good cornerman you have a VERY GOOD TRAINER ,,
tHEN THERES A 3RD , AND QUITE OFTEN THIS GUY IS NOTHING MORE THAN A CELEBRITY TRAINER , HE HAS GOT A GOOD NAME BECUASE HIS CELEBRITY STATUS HAS ENNEBLED HIM TO PINCH THE GOOD FIGHTERS OTHER GOOD TRAINERS HAVE PRODUCED
this will always come out in the wash , because sooner or later , he will have to produce his own fighters , then he moves on and another celebrity trainer comes in ,
A good trainer is a thief , he will watch and study everything , be an open sponge , and pick out the best info , even if its bad info , he will injest it digest it , mix it up with all he knows and keep the best bits , throw away the bad ones , and his pupils will benefit from his knoledge and willingness to learn ,
Thers a lot of good trainers out there who have took the uncoordinated , pimply kid with no confidence, and turned him into a confident , kid with a good attitude ,,, Being in charge of a top name boxer does'nt neccesarilly mean your a great trainer , of course some are , , I did have the pleasure of meeting the great Emmanuelle Stewart once , he impressed me , . Johnny lewiss from Australia impressed me , he was a great fitness coach , and very astute cornerman , who knew his boxers ,, Kosta once said about Johnny , i've had 300 ameteur fights been boxing since i was a little boy , he can't teach me anything , BUT I TRUST HIM , , and funny enough Johnny never wanted the Hatton fight , he knew Kosta's days were behind him , Fenech was never technicly a good boxer , but Johnny knew his strenghts and worked on them , he could'nt teach Fenech to be a gifted boxer , but by christ he knew how to harness the agresion and set it lose at the right time .
There are sio many aspects to training lads but theres are so many out there unrecognised who are great at it .
