Outcome of Billy Joe Saunders’ hearing with the MSAC?

[Enlightened-One]

Has anybody discovered the outcome of Billy Joe Saunders’ hearing with the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission?

ESPN stated that the hearing date was scheduled for the 8th October, which of course was yesterday.

[stellar]

sample B is negative.fght its on

[stellar]

Fight its on

[Perseus]

https://www.BS.com/billy-joe-s ... de--132588

Denied.
BJS vs Andrade will not happen.

[jamamb]

Fight its on

lol no bruh

didnt you also post that wilder-fury is off?

chill man

[J.Rotherhithe]

Fight will be for the interim title as BJS has right to appeal.

[adislav123]

"...STILL denied saunders apply for a license?" on what basis? fornicate that! I don't believe it one second! They can't be that retarded! Except they are intended to try and destroy his career (that's what i think it is most probably anyways, but still fornicating WHY?) they have to fornicating let that fight happen. Again: On what fornicating basis are they denying him a license? There's no doubt whatsoever that it was nothing else than a friggin nasal spray to get air better, ingested 2 month before the fight. STILL license denied? what reason? Makes zero sense. Don't get it. Can't believe it!

[Enlightened-One]

I'm sincerely disappointed about the MSAC's decision.

The rules surrounding drugs that are permitted out-of-competition needs to be uniform across the various anti-doping organisations (i.e. VADA versus WADA, USADA & UKAD).

Billy Joe is going to lose his title but he won't be suspended and he'll be able to fight on, because he technically hasn't broken any rules.

Neither the BBBofC nor UKAD or even the WBO for that matter are able to suspend Billy Joe.

[Thomastearns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45805716

Looks like the Hearn/Warren rivalry is hotting up.

"Eddie Hearn, who promotes Andrade, has said he would look to secure a bout for the vacant title in the event Saunders is stripped by the WBO.

The Matchroom boxing boss said he has "signed a contract" for Namibian Walter Kautondokwa to face American Andrade."

Hearn has expressed the opinion that Warren is somehow involved in the Joshua/Wilder negotiations impasse.

Is this a case of 'tit for tat'? Revenge served cold.

[siablo14]

https://www.BS.com/billy-joe-s ... de--132588

Denied.
BJS vs Andrade will not happen.

Damn. I wanted to see this fight. Andrade won't be fighting a top opponent this year it seems.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'm sincerely disappointed about the MSAC's decision.

The rules surrounding drugs that are permitted out-of-competition needs to be uniform across the various anti-doping organisations (i.e. VADA versus WADA, USADA & UKAD).

Billy Joe is going to lose his title but he won't be suspended and he'll be able to fight on, because he technically hasn't broken any rules.

Neither the BBBofC nor UKAD or even the WBO for that matter are able to suspend Billy Joe.

He won't be stripped. Andrade will fight for Interim belt. Saunders will appeal.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm sincerely disappointed about the MSAC's decision.

The rules surrounding drugs that are permitted out-of-competition needs to be uniform across the various anti-doping organisations (i.e. VADA versus WADA, USADA & UKAD).

Billy Joe is going to lose his title but he won't be suspended and he'll be able to fight on, because he technically hasn't broken any rules.

Neither the BBBofC nor UKAD or even the WBO for that matter are able to suspend Billy Joe.

He won't be stripped. Andrade will fight for Interim belt. Saunders will appeal.

The WBO previously claimed that they'd strip Saunders of his title if he is not given a licence by the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission (MSAC).

They’re likely examining the situation before delivering on their promise, by seeking advice from their lawyers to ascertain their own legal accountability, prior to inevitably stripping Saunders, since it’s a very unique situation.

According to the BBC, the MSAC is supposed to adhere to the WADA prohibited list and protocols, like UKAD and USADA does, but in this case they sided with VADA instead.

Billy Joe Saunders will not be suspended for consuming oxilofrine, because in the eyes of the BBBofC, UKAD, USADA and WADA, as well as several other anti-doping agencies, he’s done nothing wrong.

The WBO must decide if they should punish Saunders (by stripping the title from him), costing the Brit millions of dollars, when it’s abundantly clear that there’s a significant amount of uncertainty surrounding his guilt.

This is a very weird situation!

[evrenb]

I believe both fighters agreed to VADA testing. Oxilofrine is listed as a banned substance in and 'out' of competition with them and BJS tested positive for it. Therefore he breached the terms of VADA testing. Victor Conte, who knows all about cheating the PED testing system and testing, is adamant that Oxilofrine is very potent.
It could be oversight on the behalf of BJS and his team or it could be further evidence of the shocking drug abuse and cheating that has spoiled boxing so much in recent history; either way the rules and contracts are there for a reason and on this occasion BJS has tested positive for a banned product as listed by VADA which his team signed in to.

[greg]

..complicated indeed, it would be more weird though if they created a precedent allowing the bout to go ahead in spite of the VADA positive results..

[Enlightened-One]

I believe both fighters agreed to VADA testing. Oxilofrine is listed as a banned substance in and 'out' of competition with them and BJS tested positive for it. Therefore he breached the terms of VADA testing. Victor Conte, who knows all about cheating the PED testing system and testing, is adamant that Oxilofrine is very potent.

Victor Conte, a man who served prison time after pleading guilty for distributing steroids to athletes, as well as money laundering, helped set up the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA).

Victor Conte sponsored the VADA testing for the Saunders-Andrade bout and he also worked with Willie Monroe Jr. when he challenged for Billy Joe’s WBO world title.

He also publicly admitted that he considered the Brit as being a drug cheat prior to the VADA’s adverse test results.

Victor Conte argues that WADA shouldn’t be considered the “gold standard” of testing, due to his disagreement about their definition of what is deemed as being “out-of-competition”.

I’ll concede that it’s easy to argue that Saunders deserves to be punished, because he agreed to be tested by VADA and also follow their rules. He should have understood and adhered to those rules by refraining from consuming oxilofrine “out of competition”.

However, the BBBofC, UKAD, USADA and WADA, as well as several other anti-doping agencies, believe that Saunders hasn't done anything wrong, hence the reason why Billy Joe won't receive a suspension, which brings into question the validity of VADA's rules about the use of oxilofrine during “out-of-competition”.

I’m not necessarily saying that VADA are wrong, but it’s clear that the rules surrounding the definition of “out-of-competition” varies significantly between the various anti-doping agencies involved in the sport of boxing, which is not only confusing, but it also makes me question the validity of the MSAC’s decision to deny Saunders a license for the Andrade bout, since they were supposed to follow WADA's protocols.

[Thomastearns]

I believe both fighters agreed to VADA testing. Oxilofrine is listed as a banned substance in and 'out' of competition with them and BJS tested positive for it. Therefore he breached the terms of VADA testing. Victor Conte, who knows all about cheating the PED testing system and testing, is adamant that Oxilofrine is very potent.
It could be oversight on the behalf of BJS and his team or it could be further evidence of the shocking drug abuse and cheating that has spoiled boxing so much in recent history; either way the rules and contracts are there for a reason and on this occasion BJS has tested positive for a banned product as listed by VADA which his team signed in to.

There's already far too many sanctioning bodies and now there's far too many anti-doping agencies - each with a finger in the pie.

At the very least they should have a consensus amongst themselves regarding banned substances and in how strict they wish to be.

It's high time Global Warming, Brexit, the Middle East, and the Trade Wars were all put on the back burner so our politicians could have a look at the growing crisis in international sport.

These sort of things could eventually lead to WWIII. Or a proliferation of lawyers. Death by nuclear inferno or endless litigation. Not a good outcome either way.

[greg]

..I guess VADA und WADA should get together and iron out their differences..the national orgs will have no choice but to follow suit, until then I would not be surprised they'll stick to the definitions favoring their boxers..

[Perseus]

I believe both fighters agreed to VADA testing. Oxilofrine is listed as a banned substance in and 'out' of competition with them and BJS tested positive for it. Therefore he breached the terms of VADA testing. Victor Conte, who knows all about cheating the PED testing system and testing, is adamant that Oxilofrine is very potent.

Victor Conte, a man who served prison time after pleading guilty for distributing steroids to athletes, as well as money laundering, helped set up the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA).

Victor Conte sponsored the VADA testing for the Saunders-Andrade bout and he also worked with Willie Monroe Jr. when he challenged for Billy Joe’s WBO world title.

He also publicly admitted that he considered the Brit as being a drug cheat prior to the VADA’s adverse test results.

Victor Conte argues that WADA shouldn’t be considered the “gold standard” of testing, due to his disagreement about their definition of what is deemed as being “out-of-competition”.

I’ll concede that it’s easy to argue that Saunders deserves to be punished, because he agreed to be tested by VADA and also follow their rules. He should have understood and adhered to those rules by refraining from consuming oxilofrine “out of competition”.

However, the BBBofC, UKAD, USADA and WADA, as well as several other anti-doping agencies, believe that Saunders hasn't done anything wrong, hence the reason why Billy Joe won't receive a suspension, which brings into question the validity of VADA's rules about the use of oxilofrine during “out-of-competition”.

I’m not necessarily saying that VADA are wrong, but it’s clear that the rules surrounding the definition of “out-of-competition” varies significantly between the various anti-doping agencies involved in the sport of boxing, which is not only confusing, but it also makes me question the validity of the MSAC’s decision to deny Saunders a license for the Andrade bout, since they were supposed to follow WADA's protocols.

As long as athletes continue to agree to VADA rules there is nothing to question the validity of said rules.
VADA testing is voluntary, it is not forced upon them.

The BJS failed VADA test should serve notice to anyone considering VADA in the future.
Make sure they understand ALL of the VADA rules before agreeing to use that organization.
I don't believe BJS was intentionally cheating but intent is irrelevant, the banned substance is either in your system or it is not.

[Enlightened-One]

Apparently, Frȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn is considering legal action against the MSAC after the authorities in Boston allowed UFC fighters to compete in similar circumstances.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Seems a bit of a royal mess.

[Enlightened-One]

I believe both fighters agreed to VADA testing. Oxilofrine is listed as a banned substance in and 'out' of competition with them and BJS tested positive for it. Therefore he breached the terms of VADA testing. Victor Conte, who knows all about cheating the PED testing system and testing, is adamant that Oxilofrine is very potent.

Victor Conte, a man who served prison time after pleading guilty for distributing steroids to athletes, as well as money laundering, helped set up the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA).

Victor Conte sponsored the VADA testing for the Saunders-Andrade bout and he also worked with Willie Monroe Jr. when he challenged for Billy Joe’s WBO world title.

He also publicly admitted that he considered the Brit as being a drug cheat prior to the VADA’s adverse test results.

Victor Conte argues that WADA shouldn’t be considered the “gold standard” of testing, due to his disagreement about their definition of what is deemed as being “out-of-competition”.

I’ll concede that it’s easy to argue that Saunders deserves to be punished, because he agreed to be tested by VADA and also follow their rules. He should have understood and adhered to those rules by refraining from consuming oxilofrine “out of competition”.

However, the BBBofC, UKAD, USADA and WADA, as well as several other anti-doping agencies, believe that Saunders hasn't done anything wrong, hence the reason why Billy Joe won't receive a suspension, which brings into question the validity of VADA's rules about the use of oxilofrine during “out-of-competition”.

I’m not necessarily saying that VADA are wrong, but it’s clear that the rules surrounding the definition of “out-of-competition” varies significantly between the various anti-doping agencies involved in the sport of boxing, which is not only confusing, but it also makes me question the validity of the MSAC’s decision to deny Saunders a license for the Andrade bout, since they were supposed to follow WADA's protocols.

As long as athletes continue to agree to VADA rules there is nothing to question the validity of said rules.
VADA testing is voluntary, it is not forced upon them.

The BJS failed VADA test should serve notice to anyone considering VADA in the future.
Make sure they understand ALL of the VADA rules before agreeing to use that organization.
I don't believe BJS was intentionally cheating but intent is irrelevant, the banned substance is either in your system or it is not.

I’ve already conceded the point you made and you quoted my words where I stated this.

I think that the Saunders camp suspected that it would be a mere formality for the MSAC to authorise his licence, since they’re supposed to adhere to the WADA rules, especially considering their previous rulings (based on Frȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn’s assertion about the authorities in Boston allowing UFC fighters to compete under similar circumstances).

We already know that Billy Joe won’t receive a suspension for testing positive for oxilofrine, based on the fact that Saunders hasn’t broken any of the rules of the BBBofC, UKAD, USADA and WADA, as well as several other anti-doping agencies.

I reckon that Saunders will likely file a lawsuit against the WBO and/or the MSAC for the way that they dealt with this matter, which has cost him millions of dollars as well as him losing his world championship. I don't know whether he'll be successful though.

For the record, I don’t know if Saunders attempted to cheat when he consumed oxilofrine, but I do feel that the lack of consistency surrounding the definition of the phrase “out-of-competition” amongst the various anti-doping agencies is rather absurd and confusing… and for that reason alone, I feel that Billy Joe has a legitimate gripe.

[greg]

..I believe that from the legal standpoint it's irrelevant what Saunders/his team knew or didn't know, what they assumed or didn't assume, what they thought or didn't think, whether it was accidental or deliberate, nasal, intravenous or rectal..the deal was legally binding and the result turned out to be positive...period..

[Enlightened-One]

..I believe that from the legal standpoint it's irrelevant what Saunders/his team knew or didn't know, what they assumed or didn't assume, what they thought or didn't think, whether it was accidental or deliberate, nasal, intravenous or rectal..the deal was legally binding and the result turned out to be positive...period..

What you’ve said seems reasonable, as long as the MSAC and the WBO have a proven track-record of applying their rules consistently, and if not, then Saunders will almost certainly have some legal justification that is compelling in nature to file a lawsuit against those organisations... period.

[Perseus]

lol.
In a lawsuit BJS would be better off if he had already been licensed and they suspended it.
If they take his license without just cause that is a problem.
Nobody is entitled to automatically be granted a boxing license though.
The commissions have the right to refuse a license to any person at any time. The state commissions don't have to let anybody fight in their jurisdiction.