Chisora: No One Wants Whyte vs. Luis Ortiz, I Bring The Money!

[Enlightened-One]

"Chisora: No One Wants Whyte vs. Luis Ortiz, I Bring The Money!"

Heavyweight contender Dereck Chisora believes that a deal will get done for a rematch with heated rival Dillian Whyte.

Chisora is looking to face Whyte on December 22 - the date set down for Whyte's next return to the ring.

In the last few days, Whyte has been trading words with dangerous Cuban puncher Luis Ortiz, who is willing to travel over to the UK to face Whyte on the date. And World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman is willing to approve Whyte-Ortiz as a final eliminator.

Chisora lost a very close split decision to Whyte in December of 2016. The contest was one of the most exciting heavyweight fights in recent years.

Their mutual promoter, Eddie Hearn, is very eager to get them back in the ring.

And Chisora has been pushing to get that rematch since last year.

"Yeah, we're going to try to do the fight this week," Chisora exclusively told Sky Sports.

"We'll see what happens anyway, but we definitely want to make the fight for December 22. By the weekend, and then everything announced. We haven't started [talks], but I believe by the end of this weekend, or we'll have done it by Friday. I'm going to smash him. No one wants to see that [Whyte-Ortiz], so I don't know why he's talking about Luis Ortiz. I'm the Money Man."

If a deal is not reached with Chisora, Hearn has confirmed that Ortiz and Dominic Breazeale are the frontrunners to take his place.

"We want to make sure the December 22 card is confirmed early next week," said Hearn. "Dillian Whyte will fight on that night at the O2, and we want to make the Chisora fight.

"Widely that is the fight everyone wants to see. We do have the options of Breazeale or Ortiz as well, but we'll see if a deal can be done in the next few days with Chisora and if not, we'll move on."

Thoughts?

[Enlightened-One]

In terms of the very likely opinions of the mainstream masses, especially those in the UK and the rest of Europe, I strongly suspect that ‘Del Boy’ is right.

The Whyte-Chisora rematch would be a much bigger event commercially than Whyte-Ortiz.

The difference between the forecasted financial revenue generation for both bouts would be a chasm of monumental proportions and it’ll nigh on impossible for Dillian Whyte to even consider accepting the Oritz fight in preference of receiving a huge payday to face Dereck Chisora instead.

Even if Whyte does agree to fight Ortiz and somehow manages to defeat the Cuban, he probably won’t gain a crack at Deontay Wilder anyway. The Brit has jumped through numerous hoops that Mauricio Sulaimán’s organisation have asked of him and despite being the their highest-ranked contender for quite some time, other fighters have been allowed to jump the queue ahead of him.

[tiny_acres]

If anyone deserves a rematch, it's Takam.

May I ask why?
Chisora vs Whyte was one of the best heavyweight scraps in a long time. What was so special about Takam to make it more deserving?

[tiny_acres]

In terms of the very likely opinions of the mainstream masses, especially those in the UK and the rest of Europe, I strongly suspect that ‘Del Boy’ is right.

The Whyte-Chisora rematch would be a much bigger event commercially than Whyte-Ortiz.

The difference between the forecasted financial revenue generation for both bouts would be a chasm of monumental proportions and it’ll nigh on impossible for Dillian Whyte to even consider accepting the Oritz fight in preference of receiving a huge payday to face Dereck Chisora instead.

Since this is prize fighting. You are correct in saying Chisora Whyte would be more financially successful.
But as a fan I'd prefer Ortiz vs Whyte.

[Enlightened-One]

In terms of the very likely opinions of the mainstream masses, especially those in the UK and the rest of Europe, I strongly suspect that ‘Del Boy’ is right.

The Whyte-Chisora rematch would be a much bigger event commercially than Whyte-Ortiz.

The difference between the forecasted financial revenue generation for both bouts would be a chasm of monumental proportions and it’ll nigh on impossible for Dillian Whyte to even consider accepting the Oritz fight in preference of receiving a huge payday to face Dereck Chisora instead.

Since this is prize fighting. You are correct in saying Chisora Whyte would be more financially successful.
But as a fan I'd prefer Ortiz vs Whyte.

I agree. Hardcore boxing aficionados will inevitably prefer to watch Whyte-Ortiz, but if you were in Dillian’s shoes, you’d surely feel compelled to take the Chisora bout instead? Bigger payday, lower risk, especially considering the Body Snatcher’s rematch against AJ is 100% assured.

Even if Whyte beats Ortiz, he probably won’t gain a crack at Deontay Wilder anyway. The Brit has jumped through numerous hoops that Mauricio Sulaimán’s organisation have asked of him and despite being the their highest-ranked contender for quite some time, other fighters have been allowed to jump the queue ahead of him.

[Andrew]

Whyte v Ortiz is a really good fight.

Chisora is shot now, yes he knocked Takam out but he was looking poor in the fight. People seemed to have forgotten this.

[Enlightened-One]

If anyone deserves a rematch, it's Takam.

Carlos Takam got rope-a-doped and several forum members, including myself, commented at the time about the Frenchman’s apparently weariness.

Even the Sky Sports commentators correctly claimed during the middle rounds that the French guy was punching himself out and occasionally throwing arm punches that had no power in them.

I always felt that Chisora was capable of staging a late rally, with the gassed-out Takam being highly-vulnerable and potentially being overwhelmed by a lengthy barrage of shots.

However, let’s face it, any orthodox fighter that chooses to stand very close to their opponent, with their back against the ropes and their left-hand dangling around their lead leg, is always going to be highly-susceptible to being clobbered by an almighty hellacious overhead right-hand.

And Takam didn’t just make this mistake once, he did the very same thing twice in quick succession, which means that Chisora’s stoppage victory really wasn’t that much of a fluke, considering his opponent was too exhausted to implement very basic boxing fundamentals.

To be honest, if Takam had committed the very same sin during the opening three minutes of the bout, then I wouldn’t have been surprised if Chisora would have exploited the opportunity and scored a first stoppage, such was the severity of Frenchman’s mistake.

Carlos Takam was more than capable of beating Dereck Chisora very easily, but he somehow managed to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory”.

[Lackeos]

No one wants Whyte vs Ortiz??? I'd be interested in seeing that.

[tiny_acres]

No one wants Whyte vs Ortiz??? I'd be interested in seeing that.

It's one of the best match ups on paper that can be made

[joshj909]

I'd definitely prefer Whyte v Ortiz. The first scrap with Chisora was a good one, nobody is disputing that. The only thing is that we've already seen it and i don't see either of them doing anything spectacularly different even if there was a KO. Whyte v Ortiz on the other hand settles many heavyweight discussions, settles a deserved mandatory and answers a question we did not know before and it would likely be in spectacular fashion.

On top of all that, even if Whyte loses to either Ortiz or AJ, he can still face Chisora because Chisora is a bit further down the rankings and Whyte coming off a loss would still be above him.

Hearn wants Chisora because if Whyte loses then he can put on AJ v Chisora (WOW), if Ortiz beats Whyte, he gets a smaller paycheck and one of his moneymakers takes a hit.

[Enlightened-One]

I'd definitely prefer Whyte v Ortiz. The first scrap with Chisora was a good one, nobody is disputing that. The only thing is that we've already seen it and i don't see either of them doing anything spectacularly different even if there was a KO. Whyte v Ortiz on the other hand settles many heavyweight discussions, settles a deserved mandatory and answers a question we did not know before and it would likely be in spectacular fashion.

On top of all that, even if Whyte loses to either Ortiz or AJ, he can still face Chisora because Chisora is a bit further down the rankings and Whyte coming off a loss would still be above him.

Hearn wants Chisora because if Whyte loses then he can put on AJ v Chisora (WOW), if Ortiz beats Whyte, he gets a smaller paycheck and one of his moneymakers takes a hit.

If ‘King Kong’ really wants to face ‘The Body Snatcher’, then he needs outbid the purse that Dillian Whyte can expect to earn against Dereck Chisora, but we all know this won't happen.

If no one from the Ortiz camp makes any sort of attempt to make the Whyte bout, then Dillian shouldn’t be accused of “ducking”.

Dillian Whyte probably has two career objectives, which are: to win a world title; and to earn as much from this sport as he possibly can.

Facing Ortiz isn’t going to expedite a world title shot opportunity for Whyte and nor does it provide him with a better payday than the one he'd earn against Chisora.

[DrDuke]

Chisora tries to get some cash. I'd rather pick to see Whyte vs Ortiz. I scored Whyte-Chisora for Chisora, but Whyte progressed since then.

[adislav123]

Don't care one bit for Chisora vs. Whyte, Whyte all day on my card.

Whyte vs. Ortiz i wouldn't know who's to favor.

But Ortiz likely want get a shot at the big time anymore, retrospectively really had a wasted away shit career (by his management), much like solis after his tragic shot at vitali, it was over.
Was 100% sure Ortiz would take the belt from Wilder.
Really wanted to see Solis fight Vlad for years.

Both cubans, i had high hopes on reliefing us from shit champs (different levels of poo admittingly, wilder full on shitbomb-allaround. soon it's over! klitschko fighting a shit stench foul style against handpicked victims for a decade).

[KiwiRider]

If Whyte Chisora was made within a year of the first fight- that would have been perfect 50/50. Now- not so much.
Shame really.
Whyte Ortiz is the one for me.
I know the $$$ isn't there, but I think it would be more interesting.

[Pukka Cheese]

The Ortiz fight would be awesome but doesn't make any sense for Whyte. Would show huge balls though.
Stall on Luis a little longer.... Hes not getting any younger .

I think it will be the Chisora rematch or Breazeale..

[joshj909]

If ‘King Kong’ really wants to face ‘The Body Snatcher’, then he needs outbid the purse that Dillian Whyte can expect to earn against Dereck Chisora, but we all know this won't happen.

If no one from the Ortiz camp makes any sort of attempt to make the Whyte bout, then Dillian shouldn’t be accused of “ducking”.

Dillian Whyte probably has two career objectives, which are: to win a world title; and to earn as much from this sport as he possibly can.

Facing Ortiz isn’t going to expedite a world title shot opportunity for Whyte and nor does it provide him with a better payday than the one he'd earn against Chisora.

I'd argue that facing Ortiz to take on Fury/Wilder/Breazeale (depending on how that all turns out) is easier than him beating AJ, which i think even he knows he can't do. So the WBC belt is probably the easier route. Only problem may be if Wilder beats Fury then faces AJ in April and Whyte would just have to face the winner anyway regardless.

Also, Ortiz's team is not going to have the money to front that bid. Saying that just because someone doesn't bid higher they are the ones ducking is pretty stupid in my opinion. Some teams simply have greater capabilities when in comes to putting on shows.

[funso banjo baby]

Dillian Whyte is a great draw atm

im happy with either of these fights

the thing with Whyte is his fights against Chiz, Pulev, Ortiz and even Aj are effectively 50/50 fights.

yes even AJ...he can be wobbled.

[Enlightened-One]

Ortiz's team is not going to have the money to front that bid. Saying that just because someone doesn't bid higher they are the ones ducking is pretty stupid in my opinion. Some teams simply have greater capabilities when in comes to putting on shows.

You've missed the point I'm making... or perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

I'm claiming that the Cuban has built himself a "fearsome" reputation of being the most "avoided" fighter in the heavyweight division, but I feel that fight fans intentionally choose to ignore the fact that his handlers NEVER make offers to any of his big name rivals.

If Dillian Whyte decides to take the bigger payday, by engaging in a rematch against Chisora rather than face Ortiz, ignorant fans will inevitably accuse Dillian of "ducking" the Cuban, despite the fact that 'King Kong' NEVER bothered to submit an offer to the Brit in the first place.

People choose to forget that the Cuban's team NEVER propose offers or initiate contract negotiations with any of their big name rivals - it's simply a one-way street, since they wait for everything to be handed to them on a plate.

I'm not accusing you of being ignorant by the way, I am simply trying to explain my thoughts clearly.

[Enlightened-One]

"Luis Ortiz Manager on Possible Hearn Deal, Status of Return"

Last week, Ortiz responded to comments made by [Dillian] Whyte in which he claimed that the Cuban priced himself out of a fight. Ortiz first told BS.com that he wanted to face Whyte on the Deontay Wilder-Tyson Fury undercard and then doubled down saying that he would travel to the UK to fight him in his backyard.

Ortiz's manager Jay Jimenez [has just] confirmed that they likely won't be facing Whyte next but that they could be returning the UK in the near future.

"Eddie and I are working on maybe doing a big money three fight deal for Luis Ortiz so it looks likely to happen soon. Eddie could make Luis a big star in the UK," Jimenez told BS.com.

Ortiz may still end up on the Wilder-Fury card, which takes place on December 1 at Staples Center in Los Angeles, but Jimenez is very confident that his fighter will end up in a big fight soon.

"At the end I think (Al) Haymon and Luis Decubas Jr. will give the best choice for Luis 'King Kong' Ortiz so I’ll wait on them. So far they have been great and have delivered the best fights," said Jimenez.

Thoughts?

[adislav123]

Hope he gets those big fights, but he's still too dangerous for the top stars & aswell as the "future stars" of the division. Time is running out, "waiting" shouldn't be an option for him.

Of course if he stays in decent shape, he's technically that sound and a natural boxer since childhood who didn't got beat to bits by anyone during his career that he could well continue to pose a threat to anyone for a few more years, but that's also, i fear, what they will let him do until he finally hangs em up: "pose a threat". He blew it against wilder as much as he got fvcked over, too bad.

He won't get any faster on his feet, that's for sure. I would like to see him against all of the top names, would favour him over practically everyone, would give him at least fifty fifty against joshua/fury/miller/whyte & 99/1 in a wilder rematch, that may materialise after fury boxes "the champ's" ears of & he think's he can get back in the mix fast by doing the trick again against the old cuban.

Still Ortiz is the worst managed best heavyweight i could think of, whom still after the shit-talking is done, nobody really wants to fight, too dangerous.

[Heretic]

I don't see the Chisora vs Whyte fight happening.

They know now that Whyte has troubles with Chisora. He cannot win that fight convincingly. Both guys would sell well against AJ. I think they will be taking some easier opponents for now and wait for the big pay day

[joshj909]

Chisora should be going for Helenius to avenge his most embarrassing loss (on paper) and get a second-tier alphabet trinket while he's at it (IBF Inter-Continental), or maybe get it registered for a European belt.

Whyte should be looking at Ortiz/Breazeale/WBO eliminator(Jennings/Schwarz/Zhang).

However i think this matchup is most likely

[Enlightened-One]

It seems highly-likely that Dillian Whyte won't be facing Dereck Chisora during December.

Another opponent has apparently been lined-up for 'The Body Snatcher', but it won't be Luis Ortiz either.

[Verdi]

I think it will likely be Chisora next for Whyte.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If anyone deserves a rematch, it's Takam.

May I ask why?
Chisora vs Whyte was one of the best heavyweight scraps in a long time. What was so special about Takam to make it more deserving?

Takam vs Chisora was a hell of a fight, Takam seems to win on points, despite he made himself really tired in the beginning, I wouldn't be surprised if Takam would win in a rematch. I would be heavely surprised if Chisora would win in a rematch but if he really likes to proof it and is sure about his case, oké, go ahead, fight for free or give the winner 90% of the money. I'm quite confident Chisora won't dare that since he knows he would lose.

A fight between Whyte and Ortiz would be awesome as well, and it would make even more things clear around Wilder his real boxing level.

He knocked Takam the fornicate out, why would he give him a rematch?