Dereck Chisora ... A Threat ?

[Evander]

Is Dereck Chisora a threat to the Heavyweight division ?

Chisora ... Boxing ability 6
Chisora ... Punch Power 7

How do you rank him ?

[Evander]

Chisora loses to Whyte he fights Usyk ?

[candyslim]

Chisora is a threat to anyone who wants to stand and trade with him. He doesn't cope so well against 'movers' but he can hurt you if he can hit you. I'd put him around 15-20 in the world. He's riding the crest of a wave after that Takam win but as good as that was, it shouldn't be overlooked that he was getting battered by Takam throughout.

[Enlightened-One]

He's riding the crest of a wave after that Takam win but as good as that was, it shouldn't be overlooked that he was getting battered by Takam throughout.

Dereck Chisora quite clearly employed rope-a-dope tactics against Carlos Takam.

[candyslim]

That he did but was that tactical or was he sheltering from the storm?

I do think that Takam felt he could get Chisora out of there and didn't pay enough attention to conserving energy for the later rounds. He didn't think he'd need to. He was wrong.

[joshj909]

That he did but was that tactical or was he sheltering from the storm?

I do think that Takam felt he could get Chisora out of there and didn't pay enough attention to conserving energy for the later rounds. He didn't think he'd need to. He was wrong.

You tell me...

I think there was he was also sheltering from the storm in some capacity though, he was definitely getting hit alot while doing it.

[Enlightened-One]

That he did but was that tactical or was he sheltering from the storm?

I do think that Takam felt he could get Chisora out of there and didn't pay enough attention to conserving energy for the later rounds. He didn't think he'd need to. He was wrong.

We seem to (mostly) agree on this...

Regardless as to whether it was a premeditated decision or not, one thing was clear… Dereck Chisora employed the age-old rope-a-dope strategy against Carlos Takam. He looked like a fighter that was hoping his opponent fatigued at some point during the late stages of the bout. It was a high-risk tactic that rewarded Chisora with a highly-deserved victory.

The Sky Sports commentators correctly claimed during the middle rounds that the French guy was punching himself out and occasionally throwing arm punches that had no power in them. Several forum members, including myself, expressed similar thoughts to this forum whilst commenting on the fight in real-time (live).

I always felt that Chisora was capable of staging a late rally, with the gassed-out Takam being highly-vulnerable and potentially being overwhelmed by a lengthy barrage of shots, but I was admittedly shocked at how Dereck managed to essentially score a one-punch KO.

However, let’s face it, any orthodox fighter that chooses to stand very close to their opponent, with their back against the ropes and their left-hand dangling around their lead leg, is always going to be highly-susceptible to being clobbered by an almighty hellacious overhead right-hand.

And Takam didn’t just make this huge mistake once, he did the very same thing twice in quick succession, which means that Chisora’s stoppage victory really wasn’t that much of a fluke, considering his opponent was too exhausted to implement very basic boxing fundamentals.

To be honest, if Takam had committed the very same sin during the opening three minutes of the bout, then I wouldn’t have been surprised if Chisora would have exploited the opportunity and scored a first stoppage, such was the severity of Frenchman’s mistake.

Carlos Takam was more than capable of beating Dereck Chisora very easily, but he somehow managed to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory”. The Brit flawlessly executed his gameplan against the tactically naïve Frenchman, regardless as to whether or not it was a strategy he formulated beforehand.

[candyslim]

I have to admit I thought that Derreck's back to the ropes 'strategy' was rather forced on him by circumstance, the circumstance being Takam's blitzkrieg attack, but looking at the clip above that Josh posted, it does make it look like a premeditated plan.

As to your assessment that he flawlessly executed his game-plan, it's hard to argue in hindsight, other than over the perhaps pedantic issue of whether it was a game-plan or whether his method was an adaptation to the problems Takam presented.

Either way it doesn't matter much - a fine victory to be sure.

[Enlightened-One]

I have to admit I thought that Derreck's back to the ropes 'strategy' was rather forced on him by circumstance, the circumstance being Takam's blitzkrieg attack, but looking at the clip above that Josh posted, it does make it look like a premeditated plan.

As to your assessment that he flawlessly executed his game-plan, it's hard to argue in hindsight, other than over the perhaps pedantic issue of whether it was a game-plan or whether his method was an adaptation to the problems Takam presented.

Either way it doesn't matter much - a fine victory to be sure.

I have to admit the sparring footage that Chisora released between himself and Bryant Jennings appears to suggest the his team intended to adopt this gameplan from the opening bell onwards, but who knows...

[Syntax Error]

I don't think he's a threat to the elite HWs.

He wouldn't be any threat to Joshua; he'd get bulldozed by Wilder & Fury has already battered him, albeit in a previous life.

His win against Takam was spectacular & praiseworthy, I have to give him that.

He could potentially cause problems to the second tier of HWs if he bothers to turn up, but you never know with him as he blows hot & cold.

[KiwiRider]

Del has transitioned into a B level gatekeeper. If you beat him, your in the mix with the top 5-15.
In relation to his upcoming fight with Whyte- I give Del a chance, a punchers chance. Added to that, I think he really wants it more than any other fight since they last fought.

[oogiebe]

Del has transitioned into a B level gatekeeper. If you beat him, your in the mix with the top 5-15.
In relation to his upcoming fight with Whyte- I give Del a chance, a punchers chance. Added to that, I think he really wants it more than any other fight since they last fought.

Spot on! 100%

[Ricky]

Del Boy has always been good value and his last outing was his greatest result with a brilliant KO of Takam, more convincing than AJ.

That been said i dont see him doing much with regards to his prospects at the top end of the HW divisiin, he's just a prizefighter now, he reached his limit when he faced the likes of Fury, Vitali, Pulev & Haye (the first 3 names jabbed him to bits).

He'll make some money headlining this bill in London for Whyte 2, unlucky not to get the dec in fight 1.... but i suspect he gets stopped this time.

[Mexi-Box]

Del has transitioned into a B level gatekeeper. If you beat him, your in the mix with the top 5-15.
In relation to his upcoming fight with Whyte- I give Del a chance, a punchers chance. Added to that, I think he really wants it more than any other fight since they last fought.

I don't think gatekeeper is fair since Chisora arguably has a win over Whyte, a current top fighter/contender. I think the Chisora that fought Whyte is an enormous threat to Miller, Kownacki, and Whyte himself. All of which are top-ten contenders.

[KiwiRider]

Del has transitioned into a B level gatekeeper. If you beat him, your in the mix with the top 5-15.
In relation to his upcoming fight with Whyte- I give Del a chance, a punchers chance. Added to that, I think he really wants it more than any other fight since they last fought.

I don't think gatekeeper is fair since Chisora arguably has a win over Whyte, a current top fighter/contender. I think the Chisora that fought Whyte is an enormous threat to Miller, Kownacki, and Whyte himself. All of which are top-ten contenders.

Ok, you could be right Mexi. I'm trying not to to be biased because I have a soft spot for Del. It's just that he blows so hot and cold that even I would not be confident in predicting the outcome of the fights you mentioned. I would be shouting at the telly for him to win though!

[man]

Is Dereck Chisora a threat to the Heavyweight division ?

Chisora ... Boxing ability 6
Chisora ... Punch Power 7

How do you rank him ?

it has been over for quite while.

[TheGingerBomber]

In this current climate at heavyweight, matchmaking is pivotal. Carlos Takam nearly beat Parker, nearly went the distance with AJ, so therefore, he’s a top 10 heavy. I’m not disputing this.

Sets up Chisora for styles match up, where Delboy sparks him, after previously getting dominated by boxer types Kabayel and Pulev.

It means the Whyte match-up is legit even after Dillian has proved himself against Browne and Parker recently.

As proven last time, it’s a good style of fight for Chisora, because even though DW is more than capable of throwing a jab and being a bit more calculated, Delboy knows he can get in DW’s head enough to make it a war.

[Lennox]

Chisora is an A level gatekeeper not B level.

He got lucky against Takam who is probably slightly above Chisora. Pretty sure the fight with Whyte will leave no doubt this time.

The good thing about DC is he is old school and will fight anyone, though has not won many significant fights in the last 5 years, apart from Takam the previous eight wins were gimmes.

[brilo33]

Is Dereck Chisora a threat to the Heavyweight division ?

Chisora ... Boxing ability 6
Chisora ... Punch Power 7

How do you rank him ?

Thought this was his judge closing statements

[jamamb]

realistically he should have wins over helenius, takam, and scott, and couldve easily been given the decision over whyte.

hes fought excellent opposition, very few would fight this schedule and not take several losses . pretty much everyone who legitimately beat chisora has been around top 1-5 in the world, except kabayel.

vitali
haye
fury x2
whyte
pulev
takam
helenius
kabyael
scott

[Evander]

Is Dereck Chisora a threat to the Heavyweight division ?

Chisora ... Boxing ability 6
Chisora ... Punch Power 7

How do you rank him ?

Thought this was his judge closing statements

What
Judge closing statements what does that mean ?

[Verdi]

Chisora loses to Whyte he fights Usyk ?

This is what will happen.

[goose 5]

I'd like to see Chisora fight Big Baby Miller.

[gilgamesh]

Is Dereck Chisora a threat to the Heavyweight division ?

Chisora ... Boxing ability 6
Chisora ... Punch Power 7

How do you rank him ?

"Loser to the Stars"

That's what he was. That's what he is.

Good fighter, but he'll lose every time he fights a Top guy.

[goose 5]

Chisora would be a very live underdog against Luis Ortiz.