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joshua is polished and a class act, fury the
guy coming back from the odds, deontay
the bad boy. all three giants that can really
challenge each other.

i for one maintain that AJ is top. just too
complete for both other men. must say i
am very surprised how well tyson did and
i think deontay has been exposed to an
extent in his first two fights against top ten
opposition in both the ortiz and the fury
bout as nothing but a right hand. his
management said after both fights that
we haven't seen the best of deontay wilder.
oh yes, we did. he can end a fight any time
with his power, but he is not able to make
a fight against a top contender and never
will be.

and as much as AJ and fury turned out to
be class acts, deontay's expressed desire
to kill someone in the ring is something i
never heard a top contender repeatedly
say. he looks sober and calm when he does
that act and someone should inform him
that this is a sport, not the military. and it
is quite telling to come from someone who
for most of his career refused to face danger
himself.

That fight was dramatic, far from exciting. I had a buddy come over for the fight and after it we watched my DVDs of the holy vs bowe trilogy. His mind was blown. Heavyweights combining for almost 200 punches in a Rd. Now less than 10 is a thriller

It's a real shame that Fury abused himself, because we could potentially having an HW Bronze age.

The division is certainly at It's most intriguing since the 90s HW Silver age.

getnada wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 07:32

getnada wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.

You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

I agree that it is a good era for the HWs.

AJ is King of the boxing mountain until defeated.

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 07:32

getnada wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.

You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:53

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 07:32

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.

You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.

. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:57

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:53

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:54
You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.

. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.

Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:01

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:57

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:53

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.

. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.

Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.

He was not losing. It was close, but AJ had taken the fight back before the stoppage.

You are a Fury jockmite. But, that’s ok, you are far from being alone.

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:08

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:01

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:57
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.

Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.

He was not losing. It was close, but AJ had taken the fight back before the stoppage.

You are a Fury jockmite. But, that’s ok, you are far from being alone.

You said it yourself, it was a close fight, so how the performance can be more dominant, than Fury's one, which had been clearly in his favor?

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 07:32

getnada wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.

You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

It more the other way around.

Paci wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:12

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 07:32

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.

You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

It more the other way around.

But Klitschko was 2 years older and NOT THE FUGGIN CHAMPION when Joshua beat him
Klitschko was an old former champ.

Other than the last 4 rounds last night, the fight was not good. I'll take the 70's and 80's era for heavies anytime over this current crop of fighters.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:15

Paci wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:12

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:54
You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. Shameless bias.

It more the other way around.

But Klitschko was 2 years older and NOT THE FUGGIN CHAMPION when Joshua beat him
Klitschko was an old former champ.

Also 17 months inactive.

JMac wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:14 Other than the last 4 rounds last night, the fight was not good. I'll take the 70's and 80's era for heavies anytime over this current crop of fighters.

70s, most definitely, but 80s?

The 80s was a lost generation of talented heavies who succumbed to beefburgers and coke and not the fizzy crap you drink either.

It was only Larry Holmes in the first half and Mike Tyson in the second half that saved the decade from almost complete ignominy.

Wilder and Fury both stepped up to the plate by fighting each other. Now it’s AJ’s turn to step up the plate and fight one of them

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:01

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:57

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:53

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.

. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.

Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.

You don't lose a fight until the end. Joshua smashed him up.

squiggy wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:28

tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:15

Paci wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:12

It more the other way around.

But Klitschko was 2 years older and NOT THE FUGGIN CHAMPION when Joshua beat him
Klitschko was an old former champ.

Also 17 months inactive.

Yes sir. And had not won a fight in over 2 and a half years

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 15:59

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:01

ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:57
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.

Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.

You don't lose a fight until the end. Joshua smashed him up.

Sure, but still the performance wasn't dominant. It was ambiguous. In the case of AJ against Wlad it was first good, then bad for a prolonged period, then good eventually. Dominant means winning convincingly, scoring more and taking less. Joshua blown a huge section of mid-rounds.

Fury was dominant against Wilder, for example. Cause Fury was winning the whole fight, he was more effective through it, from the start until the end and even fought back after being caught and down.

Exciting maybe because competitive but none better than prime Vitali or Wlad Klitschko.

victor-romeo wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 18:56 Exciting maybe because competitive but none better than prime Vitali or Wlad Klitschko.

Yeah so?

I would much rather see a group of lesser fighters actually fighting one another and producing good fights than two dominant fighters who will never fight each other constantly giving us boring fights.

Eh, Usyk moving up to take on these oversized beasts will be the most exciting. Up until very recent, none of the top few HWs have even bothered to fight each other. Most HWs just aren't skilled and would lose to top 10 CW.

Blodhemn wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 19:56 Eh, Usyk moving up to take on these oversized beasts will be the most exciting. Up until very recent, none of the top few HWs have even bothered to fight each other. Most HWs just aren't skilled and would lose to top 10 CW.

Perseus wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 19:50

victor-romeo wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 18:56 Exciting maybe because competitive but none better than prime Vitali or Wlad Klitschko.

Yeah so?

I would much rather see a group of lesser fighters actually fighting one another and producing good fights than two dominant fighters who will never fight each other constantly giving us boring fights.

The only people the Klitschkos ducked where each other because they were brothers, they took on all comers other than that.
AJ has not fought Wilder or Fury yet, and Wilder is now just stepping up with the Ortiz fight and then the Fury fight..