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Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:44**

I don't really consider Compubox to have much credibility but for now they are the only reference available. (Seems there's a gap in the market for a company to keep punch stats based on replay reviews rather than live?)

Anyway.... this makes some prettt grim reading:

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 09:59**

Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:04**

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.

Strange that Wilder is held to a higher standard than Fury. Those are atrocious numbers for Fury too. Wilders punches had the more quality, he throws them in anger, Fury just paws & slaps. Awful puncher.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:33**

RKY wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:04
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
Strange that Wilder is held to a higher standard than Fury. Those are atrocious numbers for Fury too. Wilders punches had the more quality, he throws them in anger, Fury just paws & slaps. Awful puncher.

Punch stats don't hold anyone to any standard - they just show who landed more as I said.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:39**

There were many early rounds were almost nothing happened. Fury would do well to throw more shots if he wants to win fights.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:43**

I believe Fury won, as I think his cousin did in his world title fight,.
But if you believe you have to rip the title from the champion, there is a strong case for doing more.

Posted: **03 Dec 2018, 10:44**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:39 There were many early rounds were almost nothing happened. Fury would do well to throw more shots if he wants to win fights.

Oh I completely agree. The fact remains however that his punches landed are more than Wilder in 99% of areas, which is why it's damning for Wilder IMO if he's arguing he won the fight.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 05:03**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:39 There were many early rounds were almost nothing happened. Fury would do well to throw more shots if he wants to win fights.

Fury seems to think he's the second coming of Pep.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 05:11**

I've seen people calling it a great fight, 155 punches landed in a 12 rounder is pitiful it's only 17 more than were landed in Klitschko v Fury.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 06:05**

Those stats match the 3 main narratives of the fight perfectly don’t they ?

Tyson appeared to pull away in the middle rounds and win a close fight,
It was close with some hard-to-score-rounds, so a draw wasn’t shocking.
And finally..
The Mexican was paid off - R3 was clearly Tyson and he gave everything close to Deontay.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 06:27**

banjo wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 05:11 I've seen people calling it a great fight, 155 punches landed in a 12 rounder is pitiful it's only 17 more than were landed in Klitschko v Fury.

Fury is a stink-out merchant. The last few rounds were good viewing though and r12 was pretty sensational. Much thanks to Wilder though, he never stopped chucking bombs and maintained his belief he could get it done despite such negative tactics.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 06:30**

In comparison over 250 punches were landed in the 6 rounds of Lewis v Klitschko

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 16:45**

What I don't get is why Fury doesn't let his hands go just a LITTLE, bit more. |Nobody is asking him to turn into Joe Frazier, A Couple of times he landed some cracking 1-2's against Wilder right down the pipe as McKenzie would say, and halted Deontay in his tracks, but then went back to moving and feinting. Why not force the fight and put the other man under some sustained pressure, much easier to win rounds when you have a burst of 4-5 unanswered shots.

If he'd landed a bit more, he might have been able to knock either the wind, or some of the belief out of Wilder, as it was, Wilder knew there was very little coming back, and so just kept winging away.

He's always going to be up against it with those tactics, there didn't seem anything wrong with his stamina, and he must have burnt off a lot of energy with all the feints and movement, so why not just throw your hands some of the time, instead of feinting.?

Relying on having the perfect fight to win, where you barely get hit for 12 rounds, is a very hard act to pull off, especially at heavyweight.

I think his camp need to look at a way he can execute his style, but land enough to win rounds clearly.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 17:06**

Like I said before, when people wanted to say that the fight in Germany was only because Klitschko didn't try--- and here you see Wilder throwing next to nothing, and when he did he rarely connectes--- that it had nothing to do with Klitschko not trying but rather Fury makes even an aggressive man cautious as hell.

Fury is like Johnny Frankham in the 70s, slippery as an eel. Look at that round 10 score... Wilder landing "1" of 31... Look at that round 11 score... Wilder landing "3" of 32... It was completely clownish... Has a Heavyweight title holder ever looked THAT inept in a championship fight (barring the two KNOCKDOWNS)?

Fury did the more significant work in there. Tbh, I think Wilder's compubox is somewhat inflated, as most punches I seen him land were on Fury's arms and gloves. That doesn't count.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 19:16**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:45 What I don't get is why Fury doesn't let his hands go just a LITTLE, bit more. |Nobody is asking him to turn into Joe Frazier, A Couple of times he landed some cracking 1-2's against Wilder right down the pipe as McKenzie would say, and halted Deontay in his tracks, but then went back to moving and feinting. Why not force the fight and put the other man under some sustained pressure, much easier to win rounds when you have a burst of 4-5 unanswered shots.

If he'd landed a bit more, he might have been able to knock either the wind, or some of the belief out of Wilder, as it was, Wilder knew there was very little coming back, and so just kept winging away.

He's always going to be up against it with those tactics, there didn't seem anything wrong with his stamina, and he must have burnt off a lot of energy with all the feints and movement, so why not just throw your hands some of the time, instead of feinting.?

Relying on having the perfect fight to win, where you barely get hit for 12 rounds, is a very hard act to pull off, especially at heavyweight.

I think his camp need to look at a way he can execute his style, but land enough to win rounds clearly.

My thoughts if i could convey em like that.

Wilder was just waiting to get knocked down. Fury was boxing mostly overhesitantly at times clownish and a few times plain stupid. Still, clearly or closely, fact is he won that fight.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 19:18**

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.

If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 20:17**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.

There is a good argument in this statement

Posted: **04 Dec 2018, 23:18**

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 17:06 Like I said before, when people wanted to say that the fight in Germany was only because Klitschko didn't try--- and here you see Wilder throwing next to nothing, and when he did he rarely connectes--- that it had nothing to do with Klitschko not trying but rather Fury makes even an aggressive man cautious as hell.

Fury is like Johnny Frankham in the 70s, slippery as an eel. Look at that round 10 score... Wilder landing "1" of 31... Look at that round 11 score... Wilder landing "3" of 32... It was completely clownish... Has a Heavyweight title holder ever looked THAT inept in a championship fight (barring the two KNOCKDOWNS)?

Fury did the more significant work in there. Tbh, I think Wilder's compubox is somewhat inflated, as most punches I seen him land were on Fury's arms and gloves. That doesn't count.

At least when Wilder did land it busted Furys nose, floored him, the practically KOd him.

Fury dis just as much missing as Wilder and when his shots landed they were flicky little slaps.

I'm not impressed by Furys boxing performance in the slightest. In contrast though, his will to win in round 12 was legitimately one of the finest moments i can remember watching this sport.

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 05:07**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.

You did if those 13 punches were spread out over the entire 12 rounds and your opponent won no more than 3 or 4 rounds, with the knockdowns.

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 10:04**

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 05:07
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.
You did if those 13 punches were spread out over the entire 12 rounds

They were - but landing 1 punch more than the other guy doesn't win you the rounds, it's not the amatuers.

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 11:19**

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 05:07
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.
You did if those 13 punches were spread out over the entire 12 rounds and your opponent won no more than 3 or 4 rounds, with the knockdowns.

Not when the other guys punches are harder, and more damaging, and yours are taps by comparison.

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 11:28**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.

Fights were scored round by round last time I checked

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 11:30**

Wa1nuts wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 11:28
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 09:59 Grim reading for Wilder for sure. Three rounds he outlanded Tyson for punches landed and only two rounds he landed more power punches. Nobody can use those stats to discredit a Fury win IMO.
If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.
Fights were scored round by round last time I checked

Right, and in spite of everybody REALLY wishing Fury had put on a Boxing Clinic in the early rounds the reality is he didn't. I have eyes that work just fine.

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 11:32**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 11:30
Wa1nuts wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 11:28
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 19:18

If you landed only 13 more punches, and got knocked down twice. You didn't win the fight.
Fights were scored round by round last time I checked
Right, and in spite of everybody REALLY wishing Fury had put on a Boxing Clinic in the early rounds the reality is he didn't. I have eyes that work just fine.

I personally think the early rounds were very close an in no way was it a robbery

However your bias is ridiculous and even if fury did put on a boxing clinic you'd still not give him any credit

Posted: **05 Dec 2018, 11:34**

Wa1nuts wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 11:32
gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 11:30
Wa1nuts wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 11:28

Fights were scored round by round last time I checked
Right, and in spite of everybody REALLY wishing Fury had put on a Boxing Clinic in the early rounds the reality is he didn't. I have eyes that work just fine.
I personally think the early rounds were very close an in no way was it a robbery

However your bias is ridiculous and even if fury did put on a boxing clinic you'd still not give him any credit

Funny you say that, because I had him winning wide against Wlad.

My personal opinion of a fighter has NEVER affected my score. Once the fight begins I simply watch the fight, and score according. My own personal integrity, and the integrity of the sport mean more to me than anything else.

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