This was one of the fights where Louis donated his purse to the Navy Relief Fund. I guess he wasn't getting paid overtime.
Perhaps the best 1940s boxing footage
Perhaps the best 1940s boxing footage
I love this footage; probably the clearest of all Louis 's 1940s fights. Beautiful introduction with original sound. Louis is awesome here against a 6ft 6 inch 250lb Baer. It looks as though the footage has been upscaled to HD though the original print is great.
This was one of the fights where Louis donated his purse to the Navy Relief Fund. I guess he wasn't getting paid overtime.
This was one of the fights where Louis donated his purse to the Navy Relief Fund. I guess he wasn't getting paid overtime.
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Great video!
For this fight Louis was an inductee but had not yet reported for duty, (not yet in uniform) but he would fight again in March against Abe Simon. (The second purse went to the Army Emergency Relief Organization.) by March, for the Simon fight Louis was actually in the United States Army making it the only time an active duty soldier was allowed to defend a title.
The War Department was working with Louis to clean-up his tax mess before he was shipped out, and they would have done it had Uncle Mike Jacobs made good on his promises to the War Department, but he didn't and Louis got (tax) screwed for it.
There would have been a third fight in early October '42, Louis-Conn II, (when it should have happened,) with both Louis and Conn in uniform (both were on active duty; they made Louis a sergeant before the fight, but Conn only a corporal.) but Uncle Mike Jacobs screwed that up big time as well and just four days before the fight (with tickets sold) Secretary of War Stimson pulled the plug.
We could have had Louis-Conn II in 1942 (and Louis and Conn** would have both been out of tax debt) but Mike Jacobs and Louis' manager (former pimp and bookmaker) Johnny Roxborough got caught trying to rob the till (donations).
For the Baer fight Louis got around 65k and for the Simon fight around 45K (which he donated) but Conn II would have been a million dollar gate and Louis' cut (and donation) would have cleared away his tax problem.
** It seems everyone who fought for Mike Jacobs ended up with a tax problem.
For this fight Louis was an inductee but had not yet reported for duty, (not yet in uniform) but he would fight again in March against Abe Simon. (The second purse went to the Army Emergency Relief Organization.) by March, for the Simon fight Louis was actually in the United States Army making it the only time an active duty soldier was allowed to defend a title.
The War Department was working with Louis to clean-up his tax mess before he was shipped out, and they would have done it had Uncle Mike Jacobs made good on his promises to the War Department, but he didn't and Louis got (tax) screwed for it.
There would have been a third fight in early October '42, Louis-Conn II, (when it should have happened,) with both Louis and Conn in uniform (both were on active duty; they made Louis a sergeant before the fight, but Conn only a corporal.) but Uncle Mike Jacobs screwed that up big time as well and just four days before the fight (with tickets sold) Secretary of War Stimson pulled the plug.
We could have had Louis-Conn II in 1942 (and Louis and Conn** would have both been out of tax debt) but Mike Jacobs and Louis' manager (former pimp and bookmaker) Johnny Roxborough got caught trying to rob the till (donations).
For the Baer fight Louis got around 65k and for the Simon fight around 45K (which he donated) but Conn II would have been a million dollar gate and Louis' cut (and donation) would have cleared away his tax problem.
** It seems everyone who fought for Mike Jacobs ended up with a tax problem.
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Really terrific! amazing how a so big Baer fought so small. Didn't fight tall and no jab at all! Bomber at his best.
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Louis at his best. He was a destroyer. I wonder if Baer thought he had to fight smaller to compete with Louis. Rather than use his size 'advantage' ...would love to have seen Louis in there with Fury....
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You know I just can't see Louis competing with THAT much of a size disadvantage with a much more skilled (than Baer) Fury.
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I remember ESPN showing some footage of one of Louis' less famous fights that for some reason had really clear footage. I think it was Cesar Brion.
Just looked it up and noticed the fight was from 1950. I remember the footage looked real nice though.
Just looked it up and noticed the fight was from 1950. I remember the footage looked real nice though.
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oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:34You know I just can't see Louis competing with THAT much of a size disadvantage with a much more skilled (than Baer) Fury.
You know it's funny I see it the other way. Tyson couldn't cope with the speed, athleticism, skill and power of Louis. Guess that's what makes opinions
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Yup it does! Nice to disagree without mile long posts.evrenb wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:37
You know it's funny I see it the other way. Tyson couldn't cope with the speed, athleticism, skill and power of Louis. Guess that's what makes opinions
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That fight is a live broadcast and yes it's a beautiful broadcast...almost 100 years on in tv technology terms between the two fights.
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1. For all the money and advertizing Joe did for the govt, you'd think they would have gone easy on him regarding his taxes......or did they? I think they played heavy handed as I recall.
2. It sure looks like Buddy couldn't box his way out of a paper bag. What was his best win? Savold and Galento? Against a Joe Palooka Doll? This wasn't one of the bum of the month club opponents for Louis, as I recall, but he sure should be included based on that effort.
2. It sure looks like Buddy couldn't box his way out of a paper bag. What was his best win? Savold and Galento? Against a Joe Palooka Doll? This wasn't one of the bum of the month club opponents for Louis, as I recall, but he sure should be included based on that effort.
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Buddy made it into the 100 Greatest Punchers of All Time issue of The Ring as I recall, and they considered his best victory Abe Simon who was apparently also a fairly big man.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 18:50 1. For all the money and advertizing Joe did for the govt, you'd think they would have gone easy on him regarding his taxes......or did they? I think they played heavy handed as I recall.
2. It sure looks like Buddy couldn't box his way out of a paper bag. What was his best win? Against a Joe Palooka Doll? This wasn't one of the bum of the month club opponents, as I recall, but he sure should be included based on that effort.
Abe does have a win over Jersey Joe Walcott at least.
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He hung tough with Savold and Galento.....and Simon I guess. But that don't look good...it was his last fight I believe.
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Remember they had a first fight which went 6/7 rounds. Baer even decked Louis in round 1. Before getting massacred in round 6. The last knockdown struck with the bell. Baers handlers accused that it was an illegal punch and refused to let him fight in round 7. The win went down as a DQ for Louis. The rematch was less controversial!
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Yes, and added: in the final round of the first fight, Buddy Baer's performance was courageous.evrenb wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 04:19 Remember they had a first fight which went 6/7 rounds. Baer even decked Louis in round 1. Before getting massacred in round 6. The last knockdown struck with the bell. Baers handlers accused that it was an illegal punch and refused to let him fight in round 7. The win went down as a DQ for Louis. The rematch was less controversial!
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Wasn't Buddy DQ'd in first fight?APerno wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 19:32Yes, and added: in the final round of the first fight, Buddy Baer's performance was courageous.evrenb wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 04:19 Remember they had a first fight which went 6/7 rounds. Baer even decked Louis in round 1. Before getting massacred in round 6. The last knockdown struck with the bell. Baers handlers accused that it was an illegal punch and refused to let him fight in round 7. The win went down as a DQ for Louis. The rematch was less controversial!
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oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 20:28Wasn't Buddy DQ'd in first fight?APerno wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 19:32Yes, and added: in the final round of the first fight, Buddy Baer's performance was courageous.evrenb wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 04:19 Remember they had a first fight which went 6/7 rounds. Baer even decked Louis in round 1. Before getting massacred in round 6. The last knockdown struck with the bell. Baers handlers accused that it was an illegal punch and refused to let him fight in round 7. The win went down as a DQ for Louis. The rematch was less controversial!
Did you read the post you replied to?
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Yea it was one of those "DQ" because of the way it went down technically, but Baer was game and took quite a beating and kept trying to come back. IMO the late blow was a meaningless excuse, they couldn't send him back out there, it would have only meant more unnecessary punishment; you know corners, any excuse for quitting just might get you a rematch (another payday), which he deserved, he fought back harder than his brother ever did.oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 20:28Wasn't Buddy DQ'd in first fight?APerno wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 19:32Yes, and added: in the final round of the first fight, Buddy Baer's performance was courageous.evrenb wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 04:19 Remember they had a first fight which went 6/7 rounds. Baer even decked Louis in round 1. Before getting massacred in round 6. The last knockdown struck with the bell. Baers handlers accused that it was an illegal punch and refused to let him fight in round 7. The win went down as a DQ for Louis. The rematch was less controversial!