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BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 03:49
by dagilechia
Current ranking:

1. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 0 0 - 29 I 6'6''/198cm I 82''/208cm I 245lbs/111,2kg - next fight: 13.4.2019 v TBA

2. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - 30 I 6'9''/206cm I 85''/216cm I 256,5lbs/116,3kg - next fight: TBA

3. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Deontay Wilder - 40(39) 0 1 - 33 I 6'7''/201cm I 83''/211cm I 212,5lbs/96,4kg - next fight: TBA

4. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - 30 I 6'4''/193cm I 78''/198cm I 246,5lbs/111,8kg - next fight: TBA

5. πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - 39 I 6'2''/188cm I 75''/191cm I 222lbs/100,7kg - next fight: TBA

6. πŸ‡¨πŸ‡Ί Luis Ortiz - 30(26) 1(1) 0 - 39 I 6'4''/193cm I 78''/198cm I 241lbs/109,3kg - next fight: 2.3.2019 v πŸ‡·πŸ‡΄ Christian Hammer

7. πŸ‡§πŸ‡¬ Kubrat Pulev - 26(13) 1(1) 0 - 37 I 6'4,5''/194cm I 80''/203cm I 240,5lbs/109,1kg - next fight: TBA

8. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Jarrell Miller - 23(20) 0 1 - 30 I 6'4/193cm I 78''/198cm I 315lbs/143kg - next fight: TBA

9. πŸ‡³πŸ‡Ώ Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - 27 I 6'4/193cm I 76''/193cm I 240,5lbs/109,2kg - next fight: TBA

10. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 1(1) 0 - 33 I 6'7''/201cm I 81,5''/207cm I 256,5lbs/116,3kg - next fight: TBA

11. πŸ‡΅πŸ‡± Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - 29 I 6'3''/191cm I 76''/193cm I 258,5lbs/117,3kg - next fight: TBA

12. πŸ‡¨πŸ‡΄ Γ“scar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - 31 I 6'0,5''/184cm I 76,5''/194cm I 234lbs/106,1kg - next fight: TBA

13. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Dereck Chisora - 29(21) 9(3) 0 - 35 I 6'1,5''/187cm I 74''/188cm I 246lbs/111,7kg - next fight: TBA

14. πŸ‡­πŸ‡· Filip HrgoviΔ‡ - 7(5) 0 0 - 26 I 6'6''/198cm I 80''/203cm I 232,5lbs/105,5kg - next fight: TBA

15. πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ Agit Kabayel - 18(13) 0 0 - 26 I 6'3''/191cm I 76''/193cm I 236,5lbs/107,3kg - next fight: TBA

Question: How are the rankings affected by πŸ‡΅πŸ‡± Adam Kownacki's (#11) KO 2 win over πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Gerald Washington (unranked)?

My vote: Kownacki goes to #10, Washington remains unranked

The voting will last until the end of 2.2.2019

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 04:26
by DrDuke
I'll put Kownacki on the 9th place. Breazeale was inactive and just struggled against a noname. Parker has always been unconvincing at the top, had 2 straight losses there after a series of arguable decisions and now is just back on tomato can crushing track. Miller should be before Kownacki. However, Adam even handled Washington is a more convincing way, but Miller had a couple of decent scalps afterwards, although his last 2 fights were against the oldman and the noname.

And Washington still should be out of top-15, yes.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 07:01
by joshj909
Nothing changes

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 07:12
by Lennox
Kownacki beat the number 55 ranked Washington but not enough to move him up from 11.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 07:25
by conan_the_cribber
Kownacki to 10. Time for Breazdale to do something. Washington obviously, remains unranked.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 07:40
by dagilechia
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 04:26 I'll put Kownacki on the 9th place. Breazeale was inactive and just struggled against a noname. Parker has always been unconvincing at the top, had 2 straight losses there after a series of arguable decisions and now is just back on tomato can crushing track. Miller should be before Kownacki. However, Adam even handled Washington is a more convincing way, but Miller had a couple of decent scalps afterwards, although his last 2 fights were against the oldman and the noname.

And Washington still should be out of top-15, yes.
well, Miller's and Kownacki's resumes are very comparable

Washington
Miller beat Wach, Kownacki beat Szpilka, Szpilka won vs Wach by SD
Duhaupas and Martin are comparable
maybe Dinu and Kiladze are too
ancient Adamek is a worthless win, so is a win over Kassi

their resumes are close

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 08:24
by DrDuke
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 07:40
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 04:26 I'll put Kownacki on the 9th place. Breazeale was inactive and just struggled against a noname. Parker has always been unconvincing at the top, had 2 straight losses there after a series of arguable decisions and now is just back on tomato can crushing track. Miller should be before Kownacki. However, Adam even handled Washington is a more convincing way, but Miller had a couple of decent scalps afterwards, although his last 2 fights were against the oldman and the noname.

And Washington still should be out of top-15, yes.
well, Miller's and Kownacki's resumes are very comparable

Washington
Miller beat Wach, Kownacki beat Szpilka, Szpilka won vs Wach by SD
Duhaupas and Martin are comparable
maybe Dinu and Kiladze are too
ancient Adamek is a worthless win, so is a win over Kassi

their resumes are close
Yeah, I won't say, that Miller did much more.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 08:41
by dagilechia
i can see Kownacki being ranked above Parker, Joseph has only unimpressive wins + that UD vs Cojanu but i just think that Parker would most likely beat Kownacki

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 09:46
by oogiebe
Kownacki to 10; Breazeale to 11. Last night's fight was more of Washington not knowing how to fight back than Kownacki's talent.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 11:12
by dagilechia
Kownacki arguably has a better resume than Breazeale

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 11:18
by oogiebe
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 11:12 Kownacki arguably has a better resume than Breazeale
I'm no Kownacki fan but it isn't very arguable. It's fact. Breazeale's resume is pretty empty. Kownacki has a couple or three good names.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 11:47
by dagilechia
Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 11:51
by oogiebe
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 11:47 Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more
His wins are much better.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:10
by dagilechia
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 11:51
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 11:47 Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more
His wins are much better.
well, i agree with you. he just destroyed Szpilka and Washington, Martin had his moments but it was no doubt a win by Kownacki, he won all of the early rounds, i had it 97-93. he also has wins over Kiladze and journeyman Perea. btw the less Kownacki weights, the better he is imo

Breazeale went life and death with Ugonoh, he defeated Molina who previously went MD vs some guy with the 15-50 kind of record, he was losing to Mansour until the injury. Some people say that his fight vs Kassi was close too.recently he struggled with Negron. i think that Breazeale with time will be moved only down and eventually he will be removed from the list.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:12
by oogiebe
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:10
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 11:51
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 11:47 Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more
His wins are much better.
well, i agree with you. he just destroyed Szpilka and Washington, Martin had his moments but it was no doubt a win by Kownacki, he won all of the early rounds, i had it 97-93. he also has wins over Kiladze and journeyman Perea. btw the less Kownacki weights, the better he is imo

Breazeale went life and death with Ugonoh, he defeated Molina who previously went MD vs some guy with the 15-50 kind of record, he was losing to Mansour until the injury. Some people say that his fight vs Kassi was close too.recently he struggled with Negron. i think that Breazeale with time will be moved only down and eventually he will be removed from the list.
Yup. 100%. But I still think Kownacki is crap. Just that Breazeale is crappier. Those two are among a few HW's who are keeping those ranking seats warm for the next wave of young HW's.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:23
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Kownacki to #10, Washington no change

Didn't feel like the sort of performance that should crack a guy into the top 10, but it was enough to put him above Breazeale in my mind so I guess it has to be.
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:12 Yup. 100%. But I still think Kownacki is crap. Just that Breazeale is crappier. Those two are among a few HW's who are keeping those ranking seats warm for the next wave of young HW's.
Yeah, hopefully. And sooner rather than later with a bit of luck.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:26
by oogiebe
HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:23 Kownacki to #10, Washington no change

Didn't feel like the sort of performance that should crack a guy into the top 10, but it was enough to put him above Breazeale in my mind so I guess it has to be.
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:12 Yup. 100%. But I still think Kownacki is crap. Just that Breazeale is crappier. Those two are among a few HW's who are keeping those ranking seats warm for the next wave of young HW's.
Yeah, hopefully. And sooner rather than later with a bit of luck.
Amen Brother! :TU:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:34
by DrDuke
Probably Kownacki vs Breazeale is the perfect matchup for everybody, them both and the fans.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:41
by oogiebe
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:34 Probably Kownacki vs Breazeale is the perfect matchup for everybody, them both and the fans.
Kownacki would jump at the chance; Breazeale wouldn't.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:48
by dagilechia
funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:51
by oogiebe
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:48 funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot
You are probably right. HW's thin in first tier talent. I'd like to see Kownacki vs Povetkin.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:54
by DrDuke
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:41
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:34 Probably Kownacki vs Breazeale is the perfect matchup for everybody, them both and the fans.
Kownacki would jump at the chance; Breazeale wouldn't.
Maybe, acknowledging Breazeale's talk on his position in the division.
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:48 funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot
Yeah. And I'll favor Kownacki over Breazeale.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 12:55
by dagilechia
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:51
dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:48 funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot
You are probably right. HW's thin in first tier talent. I'd like to see Kownacki vs Povetkin.
both Kownacki and Povetkin are exciting and entertaining fighters so yeah, but even at this point i think that Povetkin should win by 118-110 type decision. of course if he's not totally shot which we cant rule out at his age, his every fight will be a big question now.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 14:54
by Deleted_Scenes
Kownacki up 1, just ahead of Breazeale. Not for this win. Washington wouldn't make my own top 30. Just because Kownacki's overall record is stronger than Breazeale's.

I actually think Chisora is ranked too low here, and Miller too high. Two strong showings against the number 4 here, despite the KO loss, and a win over Takam (who would have been ranked before that fight) is better for me than either Kownacki or Breazeale have done. Miller seems to have his position based on what people think he might do, rather than anything he has done.

VOTE: Kownacki #10, Washington stays unranked.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

Posted: 27 Jan 2019, 17:34
by Rob3_142
VOTE: Kownacki #8, Washington - unranked.

The resume's of Miller and Kownacki are comparable, with the Pole arguably edging it. I'm not saying that Kownacki beats Miller, but based on resume, Kownacki is ahead.

Breazeale's inactivity against relevant competitors, and a couple of significant defeats to Parker moves them both both down in my opinion.