BJS moves to SMW

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http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 11:53 http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
Another thing that's wrong with the sport.
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I don’t see what the problem is. Gilberto Ramirez vacated his 168lbs title. The WBO’s rankings are terrible, with the super-middleweight division generally lacking big names (unless you're from the UK). And the WBO kind of owe Saunders for the dubious manner in which they chose to suspended him.
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oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:03
boxing_rocks wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 11:53 http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
Another thing that's wrong with the sport.

But shouldn't we shrug over this kind of stuff by now?

Isn't this just business as usual?
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SenorPipino wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:35
oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:03
boxing_rocks wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 11:53 http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
Another thing that's wrong with the sport.

But shouldn't we shrug over this kind of stuff by now?

Isn't this just business as usual?
If we shrug it off, we accept it. I don't accept it. Leonard got a gift title against LaLonde the same fashion. Consistency is part of trust and success. Why not just declare the guy champ and stop assuming we're all idiots.
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oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:39
SenorPipino wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:35
oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:03
boxing_rocks wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 11:53 http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
Another thing that's wrong with the sport.

But shouldn't we shrug over this kind of stuff by now?

Isn't this just business as usual?
If we shrug it off, we accept it. I don't accept it. Leonard got a gift title against LaLonde the same fashion. Consistency is part of trust and success. Why not just declare the guy champ and stop assuming we're all idiots.
Because as long as fans buy tickets and promoters find networks or streaming outlets to eagerly televise this stuff, then the sanctioning bodies assume that it DOESN'T really matter to the fans.

Casuals, who probably comprise a significant percentage of boxing viewers,(I'm assuming that true hardcore fans are in a tiny minority being that boxing is such a niche sport) really don't know one title from another.

They barely know about weight classes, ("Hey, I think Lomachenko is ducking Canelo) so these questionable championships complete with barely qualified contenders sounds good to them.

I don't want to say that the sanctioning bodies and promoters believe everyone is an idiot. But they correctly recognize that most are uninformed about boxing and that they can take advantage of their naivete.
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oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:03
boxing_rocks wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 11:53 http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
Another thing that's wrong with the sport.
Absolutely.......... :brick:
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SenorPipino wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:55
oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:39
SenorPipino wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:35
oogiebe wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 12:03
boxing_rocks wrote: 18 Feb 2019, 11:53 http://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/bi ... -announced

Ridiculous opponent. Basically, he is being gifted a title.
Another thing that's wrong with the sport.

But shouldn't we shrug over this kind of stuff by now?

Isn't this just business as usual?
If we shrug it off, we accept it. I don't accept it. Leonard got a gift title against LaLonde the same fashion. Consistency is part of trust and success. Why not just declare the guy champ and stop assuming we're all idiots.
Because as long as fans buy tickets and promoters find networks or streaming outlets to eagerly televise this stuff, then the sanctioning bodies assume that it DOESN'T really matter to the fans.

Casuals, who probably comprise a significant percentage of boxing viewers,(I'm assuming that true hardcore fans are in a tiny minority being that boxing is such a niche sport) really don't know one title from another.

They barely know about weight classes, ("Hey, I think Lomachenko is ducking Canelo) so these questionable championships complete with barely qualified contenders sounds good to them.

I don't want to say that the sanctioning bodies and promoters believe everyone is an idiot. But they correctly recognize that most are uninformed about boxing and that they can take advantage of their naivete.
Yes, most of people watching boxing don't know that there are multiple titles and probably think that an Intercontinental title is a top achievement.

And they are definitely wrong: it is Canelo who is ducking both Lomachenko and Joshua :lol:
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Rumor is Saunders was not happy that it was going to Purse Bids which meant the split would be 75-25 in favor of The Champion Andrade. Now the #1 Contender for Andrade's title and you know GGG will want 70-30 to 80-20 in GGG's favor, but if it goes to purse bids it will again be 75-25 in Andrade's favor, I can't see GGG fighting a high risk fighter like Andrade for 25% either, so look for GGG to not fight Andrade either, the next contender is David Lemieux who wound up in the hospital trying to make 160, So I wonder what Andrade does next? does he cave to GGG and take low money?
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total trash fight vs she fat
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A fight between GGG and Andrade won’t go to purse bids if Demetrius is faced with a choice of receiving either a career-high payday or nothing at all, especially if Golovkin becomes a DAZN stablemate.

DAZN would want to retain ownership of all four middleweight titles. And Saunders is with a rival promoter (Queensberry) and boxing content provider (ESPN/BT Sport). Hearn would have done his upmost to avoid making a fight between Andrade & Billy Joe.
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Andrade will ignore Golovkin and wait for a more lucrative Canelo fight in September.

Sanctioning bodies won't care because they pretty much always rubber stamp unification bouts.

Golovkin is dragging his feet on signing with a network anyways. Maybe he had all the fight knocked out of him by Canelo.
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I am starting having doubts that Golovkin will fight this year. What is happening is so unlike him. He must have a depression.
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Team Saunders have been talking this week about GGG facing Andrdade as being a foregone conclusion. They're usually right about their thoughts on Eddie Hearn's future plans.
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Well, placing Saunders in a title bout has some logic, cause Saunders is unbeaten and was stripped of another belt outside of the ring and so on, but this opponent of him is a joke, yeah.
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Shefat Isufi has been very highly-rated by the WBO since August 2017, shortly after he captured the WBO inter-continental title. So via a process of elimination, the German has earned his shot at the WBO’s world championship, even though no one know who he is. He's been at or very near the front of the title shot queue for quite some time.

Saunders didn’t pick Isufi and nor did the WBO make a premeditated decision to give the Brit an easy route to the title.
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still totally awful fighter for a world title though, esp to be so highly ranked
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jamamb wrote: 19 Feb 2019, 00:31 total trash fight vs she fat
:lol: This guy is a head case. His BoxRec media page says his birth name was Sefat, but at some point he changed his first name to Shefat!! How fitting!! :doh:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Shefat_Isufi
Name: Shefat Isufi
Birth Name: Sefat Isufi
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so zurdo hasnt actually vacated yet?
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GGG always seemed to believe in the sport, right from his illustrious amateur days up til his encounters with the Vegas cartel.

No doubt we will see a more cynical Gennady Golovkin upon his return. That can only be a good thing for everyone apart from possibly his next opponent.

The balance of power is switching back to the heavyweights, at long last. So hopefully crooked Canelo and his cronies will be forced back into the shadows where they can continue to operate safely.

Canelo Akvarez will always have his diehard partisan fans who can see no wrong in him but Europe, Asia, Africa and most of the rest of the world see him for what he is. Even America will look at him differently, despite the propaganda machine working overtime.

BJS is also another one that will be fighting under a shadow for the remainder of his career. He's kind of fortunate that they've decided to toss him this scrap for playing ball.
I guess he's accepted his role as a bit player in the big game.

The real fights in boxing take place outside the ring, as everyone knows. Even Gennady Golovkin.
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Saunders' move to super-middleweight seems quite sensible. He probably would have only received a 25% purse split had he attempted to regain his old world title against a champion affiliated with a rival promoter competing on a rival network.

It was also clear that Canelo and Golovkin clearly had no intention to ever fight Billy Joe.

So now he’s able to become a two-time world champion by challenging for a vacant title against an anonymous and unproven fighter, which could potentially earn him big-money fights against fellow world-rated Brits should he emerge victorious, such as the likes of Callum Smith, James DeGale, Chris Eubank Jr., Rocky Fielding, John Ryder, Zach Parker and perhaps even a come-backing George Groves.
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Why has nobody mentioned that he's too small? For years we've all said that he was better suited to LMW but didn't have the discipline. SMW is Joe Calzaghe, Andre Ward, Carl Froch etc. It's basically Junior light heavyweight. Just because the ginger steroid dwarf briefly went up to grab some low hanging fruit doesn't mean it was OK. This is even more pathetic. I don't know what height BJS is listed at but he was much smaller then Eubank jnr and jnr did not look big next to Degale recently and was tiny compared to Groves.

SMW is very weak at the moment so the opportunities are there to steal belts, but lets not pretend these are significant fights when the real work is in the division below.
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Billy Joe is in a politically tricky situation, because all the big names at middleweight are either signed with DAZN or the PBC, whereas Saunders is with Queensberry (& by proxy, Top Rank). DAZN owns all four middleweight belts. So how is he going to gain a shot at one of the 160lbs titles without becoming the mandatory challenger, without taking a very small purse split and without having to compete on a rival network?
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i read yesterday that ramirez said he hasnt vacated and that he plans just to fight a non title at 175 then go back to 168 to try to unify? he says the wbo support him in that?


whats the truth, is bjs fighting for the full vacant title ?
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