Ivan Dychko vs Ray Austin May 10th.

[oogiebe]

So a couple of weeks away from Ivan Dychko's return to the ring after a lengthy layoff. His opponent, 48 y/o Ray Austin.

At almost 29 years old, Dychko has lost important development time as he hopefully got his ducks in a row with promotional and/or management issues. While he was ahead of some other 2016 Olympians, Dychko has only had 7 pro fights and 11 rounds of activity before his almost 10 month inactivity and in my opinion has fallen behind his former Olympic counterparts.

What he'll get out of fighting a 48 year old Ray Austin is beyond me and maybe Dychko's window of opportunity is fast closing.

Thoughts? No need for a poll on who wins, but I'm interested in seeing your opinions as it's been a while since we've seen Ivan in the ring.

[Enlightened-One]

There’s no evidence of Dychko falling behind his rivals.

He just needs to fight regularly. Ivan already has a lot of boxing experience from his considerable amateur experience.

And let’s not forget that he absolutely battered Efe Ajagba when they fought.

[oogiebe]

There’s no evidence of Dychko falling behind his rivals.

He just needs to fight regularly. Ivan already has a lot of boxing experience from his considerable amateur experience.

And let’s not forget that he absolutely battered Efe Ajagba when they fought.

That's a ridiculous comparison. Efe was a babe in the woods. Three years has passed already. Geez!

[Enlightened-One]

That's a ridiculous comparison. Efe was a babe in the woods. Three years has passed already. Geez!

Ajagba was manhandled with ease by Ivan Dychko, fought in very few amateur bouts and competed in only 34 minutes and 41 seconds of action in the pro ranks (i.e. the combined total time of all ten fights he's participated in).

In stark contrast and excluding his unblemished professional record, Ivan Dychko captured two silvers and one bronze in the world championships, as well as two bronze medals in the Olympics. The Kazakhstani competed in 199 amateur bouts, losing only 18 of them, which includes victories over the likes of Zhang Zhilei, Filip Hrgovic, Erislandy Savon and Efe Ajagba.

It seems you feel that hundreds of amateur bouts and several years' worth of competing in the sport is totally irrelevant, regardless the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

[oogiebe]

Ajagba has been manhandled with ease by Ivan Dychko, only won eight amateur bouts and competed in only 34 minutes and 41 seconds of action in the pro ranks (i.e. the combined total time of all ten fights he's participated in).

In stark contrast and excluding his professional record, Ivan Dychko captured two silvers and one bronze in the world championships, as well as two bronze medals in the Olympics. The Kazakhstani competed in 199 amateur bouts, losing only 18 of them, which includes victories over the likes of Zhang Zhilei, Filip Hrgovic, Erislandy Savon and Efe Ajagba.

Efe was an inexperienced fighter who began quite late in boxing. Dychko hasn't fought in 10 months and has fallen behind. Amateur history is nice, but you have to follow through in the pros. Can't deny his amateur pedigree, but his inactivity has hurt him. Will he be a world beater? Or another David Price? You think Ivan can still beat Hrgovic if they fight tomorrow?? What's your affinity for Dychko anyway?

[Enlightened-One]

Efe was an inexperienced fighter who began quite late in boxing. Dychko hasn't fought in 10 months and has fallen behind. Amateur history is nice, but you have to follow through in the pros. Can't deny his amateur pedigree, but his inactivity has hurt him. Will he be a world beater? Or another David Price? You think Ivan can still beat Hrgovic if they fight tomorrow?? What's your affinity for Dychko anyway?

It seems you feel that hundreds of amateur bouts and several years' worth of experience competing in the sport is totally irrelevant, regardless the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

There are lots of unbeaten prospects that have far more experience and have accomplished much more in the sport than Efe Ajagba has managed to achieve so far.

You’re happy to criticise Efe’s fellow unbeaten prospects, but you seem frustrated about facts illustrating Ajagba’s lack of experience.

My comparisons aren’t “ridiculous”, they’re factually correct and you already know this.

[oogiebe]

It seems you feel that hundreds of amateur bouts and several years' worth of experience competing in the sport is totally irrelevant, regardless the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

There are lots of unbeaten prospects that have far more experience and have accomplished much more in the sport than Efe Ajagba has managed to achieve so far.

You’re happy to criticise Efe’s fellow unbeaten prospects, but you seem frustrated about facts illustrating Ajagba’s lack of experience.

My comparisons aren’t “ridiculous”, they’re factually correct and you already know this.

Ok let's go through this again. Dychko had a really decent amateur career. His inactivity doesn't do him much good now, does it? Efe has a lot to learn and far to go. He's 25. Dychko is 29. This thread is about Dychko. If you want to compare prospects, please open up a thread to do just that. I've posted much on Efe's shortcomings. You seem very much in love with Dychko and while (again) his amateur background is superior to many of his younger contemporaries, his inactivity is wasting that advantage. If he is so highly rated, why fight 48 y/o Ray Austin? Why hasn't he fought anyone close to Hrgovic's resume? Or Joyce? Efe hasn't because he's being taken slowly as his age allows and he is learning and improving. You think Yoka has kept his edge from his am days? What don't you understand? LMFAO!!!

[oogiebe]

Dychko also lost to Savon multiple times in the amateurs as well as lost to Zhang Zhilei. But I don't think any of that takes away from him as a medal machine in his amateur career.

He crushed his way to 7-0 (7ko's) as a pro against a bunch of tomato cans, and has now wasted 10 months due to inactivity. At 28 almost 29, can he salvage a decent career? Or has he lost his opportunity as he next faces Ray Austin?

[Enlightened-One]

Ok let's go through this again. Dychko had a really decent amateur career. His inactivity doesn't do him much good now, does it? Efe has a lot to learn and far to go. He's 25. Dychko is 29. This thread is about Dychko. If you want to compare prospects, please open up a thread to do just that. I've posted much on Efe's shortcomings. You seem very much in love with Dychko and while (again) his amateur background is superior to many of his younger contemporaries, his inactivity is wasting that advantage. If he is so highly rated, why fight 48 y/o Ray Austin? Why hasn't he fought anyone close to Hrgovic's resume? Or Joyce? Efe hasn't because he's being taken slowly as his age allows and he is learning and improving. You think Yoka has kept his edge from his am days? What don't you understand? LMFAO!!!

You’re a huge fan of Efe Ajagba, but you seem to forget the fact the Nigerian has only seen fifteen minutes of action in the pro ranks, whilst Ivan Dychko has been inactive.

You have to apply your rules and standards consistently, otherwise you’ll lose credibility, especially when you’re unable to refute any of the facts I’ve listed.

[oogiebe]

You’re a huge fan of Efe Ajagba, but you seem to forget the fact the Nigerian has only seen fifteen minutes of action in the pro ranks, whilst Ivan Dychko has been inactive.

You have to apply your rules and standards consistently, otherwise you’ll lose credibility, especially when you’re unable to refute any of the facts I’ve listed.

Please review every fact I’ve listed in this thread and highlight any inaccuracies.

You are a child. This is not about Efe, it's about Dychko. You once again are attempting to hijack a thread by bringing this "Efe vs Dychko" on a thread that has (had) nothing to do with Ajagba. Tell us why you feel so strongly about Dychko and why he hasn't hurt his chances by being inactive and not fighting anyone of note, especially after such a wonderful amateur record? It's not that you don't state facts, you do. They just don't belong in the this argument. LMAO!!! (BTW is "refute" your favorite word??)

[oogiebe]

Let's try to start again:

So a couple of weeks away from Ivan Dychko's return to the ring after a lengthy layoff. His opponent, 48 y/o Ray Austin.

At almost 29 years old, Dychko has lost important development time as he hopefully got his ducks in a row with promotional and/or management issues. While he was ahead of some other 2016 Olympians, Dychko has only had 7 pro fights and 11 rounds of activity before his almost 10 month inactivity and in my opinion has fallen behind his former Olympic counterparts.

What he'll get out of fighting a 48 year old Ray Austin is beyond me and maybe Dychko's window of opportunity is fast closing.

Thoughts? No need for a poll on who wins, but I'm interested in seeing your opinions as it's been a while since we've seen Ivan in the ring.

[Boxing Prospect]

There’s no evidence of Dychko falling behind his rivals.

He just needs to fight regularly. Ivan already has a lot of boxing experience from his considerable amateur experience.

And let’s not forget that he absolutely battered Efe Ajagba when they fought.

Certainly appears to be behind Joyce, Dubois and Hrgovic at the moment. He's not even ahead of Jalolov in terms of pro development. He started at a higher level than several of those but they are certainly over taking him in regards to where their professional careers are today

[Enlightened-One]

Dychko has the opportunity to make a statement next month if he can stop Ray Austin in three rounds or less, which I feel is an achievable goal, despite Ivan’s ten months of inactivity.

I'd say the 28-year-old Ivan Dychko's boxing career is behind Joe Joyce and Tony Yoka’s at the moment, but he was never as accomplished as those guys in the first place.

Joe Joyce is 34½ years old and time isn’t on his side, which clearly explains the reason why his career is being fast-tracked. If the Brit doesn’t achieve anything in the pro ranks within the next 18 months, then he never will.

Tony Yoka is currently serving an anti-doping suspension, which means he won’t be competing again until the summer, resulting in him being out-of-action for roughly a year. However, the Frenchman scored an impressive victory over Dave Allen and has time on his side, as he’s only 27 years of age. Yoka is probably the best prospect out of the lot of them.

In terms of name recognition, Filip Hrgovic’s professional career is ahead of Ivan Dychko, mainly due to his easy victories over the shot veterans Kevin Johnson and Amir Mansour.

In terms of fighting ability though, we need to remember that the Croatian was defeated by the Kazakhstani in the amateurs and Dychko also accomplished more as an amateur. And they’ve both only competed in seven bouts in the pro ranks, with both men remaining inactive during 2019. So I haven’t seen enough proof of Hrgovic’s boxing ability having overtaken Ivan Dychko's. It’s possible, but I’m not convinced yet - the jury is still out, because I need to see more.

In my opinion, youngsters like Efe Ajagba and Daniel Dubois are both well behind Ivan Dychko in terms of boxing development (skills, experience & accomplishment), despite competing in more pro bouts. The Brit and the Nigerian are both very young and have lots of time to learn their trade though.

I'd rate Daniel Dubois above Efe Ajagba, because the Brit has engaged in more amateur and professional bouts, faced better opposition in the pro ranks and has also been matched up against fighters his own size, whereas the Nigerian has generally fought smaller foes.

I would understand the justification for those that believe Dubois has already overtaken Dychko (based on the comparison of their professional records), but I feel the Brit was very crude during his most recent outing, suggesting that he still has a lot to learn. So I won’t disagree with anyone who believes otherwise, since I would consider their opposing opinion as being entirely reasonable.

For the record, I don’t consider Zhang Zhilei as being a prospect, because he’s been a pro for almost five years, coupled with the fact he’ll be 36 years of age in a few weeks.

We need to remember that the person who created this thread believes that Efe Ajagba is already better than Ivan Dychko, but yet he fails to consider the following facts:

• Ajagba was manhandled with ease by Ivan Dychko, fought in very few amateur bouts and competed in only 34 minutes and 41 seconds of action in the pro ranks (i.e. the combined total time of all ten fights he's participated in).

• In stark contrast and excluding his unblemished seven-fight professional record, Ivan Dychko captured two silvers and one bronze in the world championships, as well as two bronze medals in the Olympics. The Kazakhstani competed in 199 amateur bouts, losing only 18 of them, which includes victories over the likes of Zhang Zhilei, Filip Hrgovic, Erislandy Savon and Efe Ajagba.

• During the nine months that has transpired since Ivan Dychko’s last bout, Ajagba has only seen fifteen minutes of action in the pro ranks and there's only so much fighters can learn from engaging in mismatches.

[oogiebe]

Certainly appears to be behind Joyce, Dubois and Hrgovic at the moment. He's not even ahead of Jalolov in terms of pro development. He started at a higher level than several of those but they are certainly over taking him in regards to where their professional careers are today

Exactly.

[Onetimeonly]

Dychko has the opportunity to make a statement next month if he can stop Ray Austin in three rounds or less, which I feel is an achievable goal, despite Ivan’s ten months of inactivity.

I'd say the 28-year-old Ivan Dychko's boxing career is behind Joe Joyce and Tony Yoka’s at the moment, but he was never as accomplished as those guys in the first place.

Joe Joyce is 34½ years old and time isn’t on his side, which clearly explains the reason why his career is being fast-tracked. If the Brit doesn’t achieve anything in the pro ranks within the next 18 months, then he never will.

Tony Yoka is currently serving an anti-doping suspension, which means he won’t be competing again until the summer, resulting in him being out-of-action for roughly a year. However, the Frenchman scored an impressive victory over Dave Allen and has time on his side, as he’s only 27 years of age. Yoka is probably the best prospect out of the lot of them.

In terms of name recognition, Filip Hrgovic’s professional career is ahead of Ivan Dychko, mainly due to his easy victories over the shot veterans Kevin Johnson and Amir Mansour.

In terms of fighting ability though, we need to remember that the Croatian was defeated by the Kazakhstani in the amateurs and Dychko also accomplished more as an amateur. And they’ve both only competed in seven bouts in the pro ranks, with both men remaining inactive during 2019. So I haven’t seen enough proof of Hrgovic’s boxing ability having overtaken Ivan Dychko's. It’s possible, but I’m not convinced yet - the jury is still out, because I need to see more.

In my opinion, youngsters like Efe Ajagba and Daniel Dubois are both well behind Ivan Dychko in terms of boxing development (skills, experience & accomplishment), despite competing in more pro bouts. The Brit and the Nigerian are both very young and have lots of time to learn their trade though.

I'd rate Daniel Dubois above Efe Ajagba, because the Brit has engaged in more amateur and professional bouts, faced better opposition in the pro ranks and has also been matched up against fighters his own size, whereas the Nigerian has generally fought smaller foes.

I would understand the justification for those that believe Dubois has already overtaken Dychko (based on the comparison of their professional records), but I feel the Brit was very crude during his most recent outing, suggesting that he still has a lot to learn. So I won’t disagree with anyone who believes otherwise, since I would consider their opposing opinion as being entirely reasonable.

For the record, I don’t consider Zhang Zhilei as being a prospect, because he’s been a pro for almost five years, coupled with the fact he’ll be 36 years of age in a few weeks.

We need to remember that the person who created this thread believes that Efe Ajagba is already better than Ivan Dychko, but yet he fails to consider the following facts:

• Ajagba was manhandled with ease by Ivan Dychko, only won eight amateur bouts and competed in only 34 minutes and 41 seconds of action in the pro ranks (i.e. the combined total time of all ten fights he's participated in).

• In stark contrast and excluding his unblemished seven-fight professional record, Ivan Dychko captured two silvers and one bronze in the world championships, as well as two bronze medals in the Olympics. The Kazakhstani competed in 199 amateur bouts, losing only 18 of them, which includes victories over the likes of Zhang Zhilei, Filip Hrgovic, Erislandy Savon and Efe Ajagba.

• During the nine months that has transpired since Ivan Dychko’s last bout, Ajagba has only seen fifteen minutes of action in the pro ranks and there's only so much fighters can learn from engaging in mismatches.

Honest question. Do you think people read these?

[Enlightened-One]

Honest question. Do you think people read these?

Nope.

[Onetimeonly]

Nope.

[morm]

hehehe i read hehehe

[Stuarty]

Wasn't that impressed with him in the amateurs but I've not watched him as a pro yet. He has all the physical attributes but he's not that great fundamentally and certainly isn't anything special.

[oogiebe]

Wasn't that impressed with him in the amateurs but I've not watched him as a pro yet. He has all the physical attributes but he's not that great fundamentally and certainly isn't anything special.

He hasn't gotten any better. Now with the layoff, I don't expect much from him.