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AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 03:18
by tobyh5
After watching the Breazeale demolition and knockout, who would you favour if AJ and Wilder fought next.
(We can do another poll after the AJ fight in a fortnight, and could be interesting to compare results.)
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 03:23
by tobyh5
I'll go first.
AJ is still a better schooled and skilled fighter than Wilder. Still bigger and physically stronger. Both have power, but Wilder's is concussive and lights out while AJ has a more thudding, forceful shot. Both are vulnerable. Both have been stunned and dug deep to come back and showed an attitude of not giving up. Wilder is a complete effing amatuer at timees and you'd imagine AJ would try to outbox him, fight smart and not overcommit, waiting for an opportunity to hurt WIlder and then overwhelm him but I have a feeling that Wilder is going to detonate a huge shot like last night and turn out AJ's lights.
Sensational knockout win for Wilder is my vote.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 03:33
by lillywhite14
Joshua. I think he has enough movement and accuracy to take Wilder out in something of a shootout.
Wilder has the bigger one shot power but it’s a little harder for him to land. Joshua carries enough power to take Wilder out with one shot too so the difference in power isn’t important imo, they both carry enough to stop the other.
I was impressed with Wilders power last night. I think the heavier Wilder takes Fury out in any rematch.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 03:42
by tobyh5
lillywhite14 wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 03:33
I was impressed with Wilders power last night. I think the heavier Wilder takes Fury out in any rematch.
Maybe a better poll would have been asking that one. Or another poll to ask it too.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 04:06
by samwbr
Nothing that happened last night changed my mind. Joshua wins by stoppage. Might be a few hairy moments along the way for him. Brezeale pushed him back with one right hand off the ropes and wobbled him, Joshua will land on him and jump all over him.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 04:50
by DrDuke
tobyh5 wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 03:23
I'll go first.
AJ is still a better schooled and skilled fighter than Wilder. Still bigger and physically stronger. Both have power, but Wilder's is concussive and lights out while AJ has a more thudding, forceful shot. Both are vulnerable. Both have been stunned and dug deep to come back and showed an attitude of not giving up. Wilder is a complete effing amatuer at timees and you'd imagine AJ would try to outbox him, fight smart and not overcommit, waiting for an opportunity to hurt WIlder and then overwhelm him but I have a feeling that Wilder is going to detonate a huge shot like last night and turn out AJ's lights.
Sensational knockout win for Wilder is my vote.
I can agree with you. Joshua will look better until he gets caught. And he very likely will, if he just tries to cautiously outpoint Wilder. Yes, AJ needs to be very cautious, but he also needs to find openings and time his bombs. He needs to KO Wilder first and he has the basis for it. So I favor Joshua, but I won't be surprised, if Wilder knocks Joshua the eff out.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 05:34
by BigDoofus
Wilder is too dangerous. I doubt Joshua will fight him or Fury.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 05:50
by Nightmare Roy
AJ will take his head off, no way those chicken legs can take the power
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 05:59
by tobyh5
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 05:50
AJ will take his head off, no way those chicken legs can take the power
And your belief is that AJ can take the power?
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 06:05
by DrDuke
Both Wilder's and Joshua's chins are good, but both AJ and Wilder won't take clean punches of each other, I believe. So it's a who-lands-first contest to a great extent.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 06:18
by Spiker
Your talking about a guy that got put on his arse by an old wlad. After last night I saw a straight right hand ( no windmill) wlad couldn’t finish AJ but wilder can do it all night and looks to be improving
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 06:52
by dalcumly
Great discussion and equally good points being made. I side with Joshua. He's very clever ,using his defence and caution over the first few rounds while moving Wilder onto his back foot. Around the 8/9/10 Joshua sees his chance and Wilder folds after several heavy clean shots from Joshua.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 06:54
by lillywhite14
Spiker wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 06:18
Your talking about a guy that got put on his arse by an old wlad. After last night I saw a straight right hand ( no windmill) wlad couldn’t finish AJ but wilder can do it all night and looks to be improving
Wilder was on Queer Street vs the oldest of the lot Ortiz.
What difference does it make?
It’s about who lands first.
Joshua won’t walk into him standing upright like a pleb like Breazeale did last night. He will also pose serious offensive problems of his own.
The fight needs to happen.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 06:56
by paddy chavez
Spiker wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 06:18
Your talking about a guy that got put on his arse by an old wlad. After last night I saw a straight right hand ( no windmill) wlad couldn’t finish AJ but wilder can do it all night and looks to be improving
An old wlad is the hardest punching heavyweight since Lewis ,I would say the fact AJ got up to win after being floored as a positive not a negative
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 07:02
by Spiker
lillywhite14 wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 06:54
Wilder was on Queer Street vs the oldest of the lot Ortiz.
What difference does it make?
It’s about who lands first.
Joshua won’t walk into him standing upright like a pleb like Breazeale did last night. He will also pose serious offensive problems of his own.
The fight needs to happen.
The difference is I believe Wilder is improving I’m not sure AJ is. He’s at is top level now. I also think Wilder spearing his jab would give Joshua trouble. Anyway it’s speculation atm, I just get the feeling Joshua is too orthodox . Let’s see how he does against Ruiz as he now needs to do a quick job on him, 7 rounds would not look good.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 07:18
by lillywhite14
Spiker wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 07:02
The difference is I believe Wilder is improving I’m not sure AJ is. He’s at is top level now. I also think Wilder spearing his jab would give Joshua trouble. Anyway it’s speculation atm, I just get the feeling Joshua is too orthodox . Let’s see how he does against Ruiz as he now needs to do a quick job on him, 7 rounds would not look good.
I’m not so sure on that. Wilder may be improving, although he looked terrible against Fury. Joshua has improved considerably since Wlad.
I also don’t look too much in to how long it takes someone to comprehensively beat somebody. As long as Joshua beats Ruiz comfortably, we shouldn’t over analyse it.
I agree it would be great for him to a big number on him though, would really set the scene for Joshua/Wilder. Wilder has already said he could be attending the fight.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 07:29
by danconnollyeire
Fury set the formula for beating wilder. Wilder reaches and to make it miss it’s an old fashion move back a step, move to the side, land a one two and tie up. Breezale looked every bit the American footballer he is. May has well been a punch back he has zero head movement
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 07:29
by Nightmare Roy
tobyh5 wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 05:59
And your belief is that AJ can take the power?
Yep, Klitchsko hits harder than wilder
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 07:49
by danconnollyeire
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 07:29
Yep, Klitchsko hits harder than wilder
Yep wilder is always moving when hitting as long as AJ can ride his shots he can take them
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 07:54
by Steveh583
paddy chavez wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 06:56
An old wlad is the hardest punching heavyweight since Lewis ,I would say the fact AJ got up to win after being floored as a positive not a negative
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 08:24
by Nightmare Roy
I see lots of people saying that AJ will try to avoid the fight after last night, I don’t think it will make the slightest difference, it’s clear as daylight that AJ and Hearn want it and that Wilder and his people seem to be doing everything possible to avoid it, they have more or less said so recently. The DAZN deal would have paid him 20 million for the same fight he had last night and they turned it down, does anybody think he got close to that last night?
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 09:11
by tobyh5
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 07:29
Yep, Klitchsko hits harder than wilder
Maybe.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 09:21
by Cyclops
It’s a question that can only be answered in the ring. All of the top 3 have the tools to beat each other.
I’ve gone for Wilder as I think he probably learned something from sharing 12 rounds with Fury. I think he’s going to fight that little bit more intelligently now.
Brezeale has always been a walking punch bag but I didn’t expect him to go in one like like that.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 09:23
by Ian1973
I've always said Fury is the best heavyweight out there. He schooled Wilder but got caught twice by p4p the hardest hitter in the game. He's smart enough to learn and won't get caught in a re-match.
Wilder will knock Joshua out.
Re: AJ v Wilder poll (19th May 2019) - post Breazeale
Posted: 19 May 2019, 09:29
by JimStone
I don't think Joshua is cute enough to avoid a war. All over and done with inside three rounds, either one could win. Pick em fight