THE RING rates TYSON FURY #1

[dickbelden]

https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272

[HomicideHenry]

For me, personally.... The fact that they rated him as their champion for so long, only to strip him basically a month or so before fighting Seferi.... Goes to show the mistake in having stripped him in the first place.

The Wilder robbery, and now the shocking upset loss Joshua's suffered, basically demonstrates that Fury always was "the real champion" and Joshua was merely a usurper of the crown.

Real champions don't lose to 15-1 underdogs, and real champions can be in pisspoor condition and still find a way to succeed against all odds.

[FruitStealer]

Real champions don't lose to 15-1 underdogs, and real champions can be in pisspoor condition and still find a way to succeed against all odds.

What a load of bullshit.

So Lewis, Tyson, Ali, Foreman, Klitschko and etc etc wre never real champions because they lost to underdogs at some point in their career.
Yeah right.

[jamamb]

For me, personally.... The fact that they rated him as their champion for so long, only to strip him basically a month or so before fighting Seferi.... Goes to show the mistake in having stripped him in the first place.

The Wilder robbery, and now the shocking upset loss Joshua's suffered, basically demonstrates that Fury always was "the real champion" and Joshua was merely a usurper of the crown.

Real champions don't lose to 15-1 underdogs, and real champions can be in pisspoor condition and still find a way to succeed against all odds.

he hadnt fought in 2.5 years or faced a ring rated oppinent in over 3 years, by the rings own policy he was lucky to stay as long as he did, they actually call for ring champs to face a top 5 ring rated fighter every 18 months and to have a fight every 12 months

real champs also keep fighting and beating good opposition instead of winning the belt and immediately spend years inactive getting up to 400 pounds, fury won titles vs wlad and didnt make a single defense, some true champ huh

aj hadnt lost to ruiz when he moved to 1, that fights irrelevant , and i mean fury in theory could lose to schwarz too

[HomicideHenry]

What a load of bullshit.

So Lewis, Tyson, Ali, Foreman, Klitschko and etc etc wre never real champions because they lost to underdogs at some point in their career.
Yeah right.

Lewis avenged his losses.
Tyson is not a top ten heavyweight.
Ali avenged losses as well.
Klitschko needed several years to rebuild his image.
Foreman in his 2nd career was the underdog.

Comparing Joshua to ATG's or near greats at this point is premature. But one thing is clear... Fury ballooned to nearly 400 pounds, was a suicidal drug addict, gone nearly three years & came back to be robbed against the most dangerous puncher in the world.... If Fury was on the canvas against Ruiz you can bet your ass he'd of gotten up and found a way to win the fight. Joshua didn't.

[jamamb]

Fury ballooned to nearly 400 pounds, was a suicidal drug addict, gone nearly three years

pretty good reason to not have him as there champ any longer, especially considdering there policies

they were very generous to him

from fury beatin wlad in 2015 until right before the wilder fight 3 years later, aj beat whyte, wlad, parker, povetkin, breazele, takam, martin, and molina. fury was doing not so much...

aj got put to 1 because he was doing the most, simple

[FruitStealer]

Lewis avenged his losses.
Tyson is not a top ten heavyweight.
Ali avenged losses as well.
Klitschko needed several years to rebuild his image.
Foreman in his 2nd career was the underdog.

Comparing Joshua to ATG's or near greats at this point is premature. But one thing is clear... Fury ballooned to nearly 400 pounds, was a suicidal drug addict, gone nearly three years & came back to be robbed against the most dangerous puncher in the world.... If Fury was on the canvas against Ruiz you can bet your ass he'd of gotten up and found a way to win the fight. Joshua didn't.

So AJ should retire and not try to avenge his loss. Why bother fight again right?

Fury never dared to rematch Klitschko after his boring win and was lucky to get a draw with Wilder.
He was not robbed against Wilder, he was lucky to get up just on the count of the second KD. Fury resume is full of bums, only decent opposition he fought are Klitchko and Wilder.

Two top contenders in 5 years with one win and a draw, some cruiserweight bums and lots of dope. He's lucky to be a mediatic guy and that's part of his success.
Dont get me wrong I like the guy, but he's overrated as hell and not the image of a "real champion" in my mind.

[HomicideHenry]

... I hope fatboy knocks him out again and we can move passed this nonsense of Joshua the pretender... You all are backing the wrong horse and it's Price all over again.

[jamamb]

i dont really understand how that response follows

[Enlightened-One]

https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272

The RING's ratings seem correct to me (at least for the top six or eight positions).

Although I am convinced that AJ and Ruiz Jr. could prove themselves as being very capable of defeating Deontay Wilder, because in my mind, ‘The Bronze Bomber’ is highly-vulnerable, since he seems to get hurt too often and is over-reliant on his clear knockout-power being his “get out of jail card.”

I can't help thinking that Anthony Joshua's Achilles heel is dealing with heavyweights with fast hands that also throws combinations, especially counters, to the head and body (and I mean something more than the old stereotypical “one-two combo”, such as the jab-cross).

I can only think of three top-tier world-rated heavyweights that possesses a variety of combos in their arsenal (Luis Ortiz, Andy Ruiz Jr. & Tyson Fury), but only two of them (the Brit & the Mexican), also happen to have fast hands.

I can’t wait for Dillian Whyte to get into the title mix, because Wilder, Joshua, Fury and Ortiz have all previously declined to consider facing him (either submitting insincere lowball offers to the Brit that were never likely to be accepted, rejecting any offers they’ve received or refusing to participate in eliminators).

I'm not for one second suggesting that Whyte is capable of beating all these men, but he deserves his shot at these guys. And he’ll be unable to climb these rankings if he isn’t given the opportunity to face the fighters rated above him.

In hindsight, even though AJ’s loss has inevitably scuppered a couple of potential super-fights, it’s ultimately a good thing, because the heavyweight division is wide open and now seems far more competitive and exciting than it has been for several years.

[gp.]

I can’t wait for Dillian Whyte to get into the title mix, because Wilder, Joshua, Fury and Ortiz have all previously declined to consider facing him (either submitting insincere lowball offers to the Brit that were never likely to be accepted, rejecting any offers they’ve received or refusing to participate in eliminators).

I'm not for one second suggesting that Whyte is capable of beating all these men, but he deserves his shot at these guys. And he’ll be unable to climb these rankings if he isn’t given the opportunity to face the fighters rated above him.

If Whyte thinks he can beat these guys he has to take the "insincere lowball offers".

He doesn't have any money backing him, so he can't buy a chance at the title.

It would have been worth Ruiz taking the Joshua fight for free, given how much he will earn off the back of his win. That has to be Whyte's mindset, if he thinks he is good enough. Take the fight at any price. Make his money after he wins.

[Enlightened-One]

If Whyte thinks he can beat these guys he has to take the "insincere lowball offers".

He doesn't have any money backing him, so he can't buy a chance at the title.

It would have been worth Ruiz taking the Joshua fight for free, given how much he will earn off the back of his win. That has to be Whyte's mindset, if he thinks he is good enough. Take the fight at any price. Make his money after he wins.

Dillian Whyte was offered a smaller payday to face AJ for the second time than the purse he was paid for the Dereck Chisora rematch. This was not disputed by Eddie Hearn.

Coincidentally, shortly after ‘The Body Snatcher’ declined Matchroom’s offer to engage in the rematch with Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn subsequently offered the bout to Jarrell Miller instead and even provided the American with a bigger purse than the sum that Whyte was offered.

Eddie Hearn submitted the lowball offer to Whyte for the AJ bout, for political reasons, to allow Matchroom and Joshua to claim that 'The Body Snatcher' rejected the fight.

The Matchroom boss argued that Whyte should have taken the bout, regardless the small purse being offered, because beating AJ in front of 100,000 people at Wembley would have given Dillian the ownership of the “keys to the kingdom”, which essentially means accept the lowball bid for the sake of seeking sporting glory rather than being paid your financial self-worth.

Dillian Whyte’s next outing against Oscar Rivas next month will be the fourth PPV event that he’s headlined. And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events.

Also, Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

These are facts that can easily be verified and were corroborated by all parties concerned.

[Lennox]

I can understand how people or authorities have either Andy Ruiz, Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury as the number 1.

Andy Ruiz beat the number 1

Deontay was 2 so goes to 1 because AJ was exposed rather than Ruiz was great.

Tyson Fury should be 1 because he was better than Deontay subjectively and AJ was exposed rather than Ruiz was great.

It will cause plenty of debate. I think Ruiz 1 and AJ 2 because AJ has wins over current top 10s Whyte, Povetkin, Parker.

no doubt AJ was poor on the night, never really recovered from the first KO.

[gp.]

Dillian Whyte was offered a smaller payday to face AJ for the second time than the purse he was paid for the Dereck Chisora rematch. This was not disputed by Eddie Hearn.

Coincidentally, shortly after ‘The Body Snatcher’ declined Matchroom’s offer to engage in the rematch with Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn subsequently offered the bout to Jarrell Miller instead and even provided the American with a bigger purse than the sum that Whyte was offered.

Eddie Hearn submitted the lowball offer to Whyte for the AJ bout, for political reasons, to allow Matchroom and Joshua to claim that 'The Body Snatcher' rejected the fight.

The Matchroom boss argued that Whyte should have taken the bout, regardless the small purse being offered, because beating AJ in front of 100,000 people at Wembley would have given Dillian the ownership of the “keys to the kingdom”, which essentially means accept the lowball bid for the sake of seeking sporting glory rather than being paid your financial self-worth.

Dillian Whyte’s next outing against Oscar Rivas next month will be the fourth PPV event that he’s headlined. And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events.

Also, Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

These are facts that can easily be verified and were corroborated by all parties concerned.

Why hasn't Whyte made one of the champions an offer they can't refuse then? Because he doesn't have the financial clout behind him.

Maybe they don't want to fight him because they think they might lose. That's their prerogative. He can either sit on his dignity and reuse to fight for less than he thinks he's worth, or he can take a low offer, win, and be in the driving seat.

Nothing in your long post goes anywhere to suggesting why it wouldn't be sensible for him to do the latter. If he'd taken the low Joshua offer, and he's as good as he thinks he is, he would be champion now and naming his own prices.

[Enlightened-One]

Why hasn't Whyte made one of the champions an offer they can't refuse then? Because he doesn't have the financial clout behind him.

Maybe they don't want to fight him because they think they might lose. That's their prerogative. He can either sit on his dignity and reuse to fight for less than he thinks he's worth, or he can take a low offer, win, and be in the driving seat.

Nothing in your long post goes anywhere to suggesting why it wouldn't be sensible for him to do the latter. If he'd taken the low Joshua offer, and he's as good as he thinks he is, he would be champion now and naming his own prices.

Whyte offered Wilder a sum that was three times the size of Deontay’s average purse size for his American’s first seven title defences, but the American declined the bout anyway and subsequently agreed to face Luis Ortiz instead for half the amount.

The situation between Whyte & Joshua is more complicated, since they’re both affiliated to the same promoter and network.

We’ve even seen Whyte and Hearn arguing about the AJ situation face-to-face on iFL TV, since the offer for the Joshua fight is supposed come from the same promoter Dillian usually works with, as it’s Matchroom’s duty to make the bout between both men, since they are responsible for staging fights for both fighters.

Complaining about my long post, even though it contains lots of facts, doesn’t detract from the objective truth of reality that for some reason, Dillian Whyte is being “ducked” (perhaps for business reasons).

You said "Whyte had no backing... nor any financial clout", but he’s a PPV fighter that has offered Deontay Wilder multiple career-high paydays, which were rejected. Tyson Fury refused to consider facing him. Luis Ortiz declined two offers to fight him. And Eddie Hearn not only admitted to paying Jarrell Miller a bigger purse than the amount Dillian Whyte was offered, but the Matchroom boss also conceded that the figure was even less than the sum ‘The Body Snatcher’ received for the Chisora rematch.

The reason why my post is long, is because there’s a lot to say about the matter - there are so many real-world examples of Dillian Whyte being “ducked”.

[gp.]

Whyte offered Wilder a sum that was three times the size of Deontay’s average purse size for his American’s first seven title defences, but the American declined the bout anyway and subsequently agreed to face Luis Ortiz instead for half the amount.

The situation between Whyte & Joshua is more complicated, since they’re both affiliated to the same promoter and network.

We’ve even seen Whyte and Hearn arguing about the AJ situation face-to-face on iFL TV, since the offer for the Joshua fight is supposed come from the same promoter Dillian usually works with, as it’s Matchroom’s duty to make the bout between both men, since they are responsible for staging fights for both fighters.

Complaining about my long post, even though it contains lots of facts, doesn’t detract from the objective truth of reality that for some reason, Dillian Whyte is being “ducked” (perhaps for business reasons).

You said "Whyte had no backing... nor any financial clout", but he’s a PPV fighter that has offered Deontay Wilder multiple career-high paydays, which were rejected. Tyson Fury refused to consider facing him. Luis Ortiz declined two offers to fight him. And Eddie Hearn not only admitted to paying Jarrell Miller a bigger purse than the amount Dillian Whyte was offered, but the Matchroom boss also conceded that the figure was even less than the sum ‘The Body Snatcher’ received for the Chisora rematch.

The reason why my post is long, is because there’s a lot to say about the matter - there are so many real-world examples of Dillian Whyte being “ducked”.

But your facts are irrelevant.

I am not saying he's not being ducked. I am saying that if he is being ducked, he ought to have taken the low offers made to him, and should grab any new low offer that comes along.

You are not addressing this at all. Do you deny that it would have been sensible for Whyte to take the low offer to fight Joshua?

[Enlightened-One]

But your facts are irrelevant.

I am not saying he's not being ducked. I am saying that if he is being ducked, he ought to have taken the low offers made to him, and should grab any new low offer that comes along.

You are not addressing this at all. Do you deny that it would have been sensible for Whyte to take the low offer to fight Joshua?

Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”. They deserve to be paid their commercial worth.

He shouldn’t allow himself to be exploited, by taking pay cuts to face marquee names like Fury, Wilder and Joshua, especially when inferior calibre and less qualified title contenders are being paid more than he is being offered and they aren’t even PPV names themselves, whereas Dillian has/will headlined four of them.

What if the sports’ governing bodies decide to protect their cash cows and Whyte ends up losing a highly-contentious decision to someone like Fury, Wilder or Joshua? Where does his career go from there?

He would taken a pay cut for a fight he could never have won, resulting in him losing his winning streak, his commercial worth dips significantly, he loses his place in the rankings and he has to spend a couple of years rebuilding his resume and recovering his title challenger status?

Does that adequately address the reason why Dillian Whyte shouldn’t allow himself to be exploited?

[gp.]

Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”. They deserve to be paid their commercial worth.

He shouldn’t allow himself to be exploited, by taking pay cuts to face marquee names like Fury, Wilder and Joshua, especially when inferior calibre and less qualified title contenders are being paid more than he is being offered and they aren’t even PPV names themselves, whereas Dillian has/will headlined four of them.

What if the sports’ governing bodies decide to protect their cash cows and Whyte ends up losing a highly-contentious decision to someone like Fury, Wilder or Joshua? Where does his career go from there?

He would taken a pay cut for a fight he could never have won, resulting in him losing his winning streak, his commercial worth dips significantly, he loses his place in the rankings and he has to spend a couple of years rebuilding his resume and recovering his title challenger status?

Does that adequately address the reason why Dillian Whyte shouldn’t allow himself to be exploited?

It's a reason. I don't think it's a very good reason.

If Whyte had taken the low offer to fight Joshua, and won, he would now be set for life; instead, Ruiz is.

Assuming that he "could never have won" is simply unwarranted. Even if it were the case, he'd be no worse off after losing a "highly contentious decision" than he is now.

You reasoning is the reasoning of a man looking for his one big pay-day, who knows he is going to lose, and wants to make the most of it. not the reasoning of a man who wants this fight as one step on his path upwards.

You cannot claim you are being ducked while turning down offers because you think they are too low. You can turn down such offers, sure, but you can't then complain champions are ducking you.

[Enlightened-One]

It's a reason. I don't think it's a very good reason.

If Whyte had taken the low offer to fight Joshua, and won, he would now be set for life; instead, Ruiz is.

Assuming that he "could never have won" is simply unwarranted. Even if it were the case, he'd be no worse off after losing a "highly contentious decision" than he is now.

You reasoning is the reasoning of a man looking for his one big pay-day, who knows he is going to lose, and wants to make the most of it. not the reasoning of a man who wants this fight as one step on his path upwards.

You cannot claim you are being ducked while turning down offers because you think they are too low. You can turn down such offers, sure, but you can't then complain champions are ducking you.

OK, even if you claim AJ wasn’t “ducking” Whyte, despite the lowball offer. We know that the WBC champion rejected two career-high payday opportunities to face Dillian, with the lineal champion also openly admitting to having no interest in facing ‘The Body Snatcher’.

These are claims I can make, because they actually happened. Dillian Whyte has indeed been "ducked" by "champions".

I am also a firm believer in the risk-versus-reward ratio and that occasionally the wrong man wins.

Controversial decisions happen (i.e. the Procopio scorecard for the AJ-Ruiz bout), with the cash cow fighter usually favoured by the judges’ scorecards, coupled with the sports’ governing bodies often being complicit in doing their upmost to prevent their champions from having to face certain opposition (as we’ve already seen with the WBC-Whyte situation).

It’s naïve to believe that Dillian Whyte should take a pay cut purely for the sake of sporting glory, regardless of the risk of the judges potentially showing bias towards the “cash cow” marquee name, because no fighter is guaranteed a knockout victory and sometimes the wrong man wins.

This isn’t amateur boxing. They’re professional boxers commonly referred to as “PRIZE fighters” not “PRIDE fighters”. Boxers risk their health and livelihood every time they step foot inside the ring, so they deserve to be paid their commercial worth.

We’ll agree to disagree.

[gp.]

OK, even if you claim AJ wasn’t “ducking” Whyte, despite the lowball offer. We know that the WBC champion rejected two career-high payday opportunities to face Dillian, with the lineal champion openly admitting to having no interest in facing ‘The Body Snatcher’.

These are claims I can make, because they actually happened.

I am also a firm believer in the risk-versus-reward ratio and that occasionally the wrong man wins.

Controversial decisions happen (i.e. the Procopio scorecard for the AJ-Ruiz bout), with the cash cow fighter usually favoured by the judges’ scorecards, coupled with the sports’ governing bodies often being complicit in doing their upmost to prevent their champions from having to face certain opposition (as we’ve already seen with the WBC-Whyte situation).

It’s naïve to believe that Dillian Whyte should take a pay cut purely for the sake of sporting glory, regardless of the risk of the judges potentially showing bias towards the “cash cow” marquee name, because no fighter is guaranteed a knockout victory and sometimes the wrong man wins.

This isn’t amateur boxing. They’re professional boxers commonly referred to as “PRIZE fighters” not “PRIDE fighters”. Boxers risk their health and livelihood every time they step foot inside the ring, so they deserve to be paid their commercial worth.

We’ll agree to disagree.

You are continually missing the point.

Whyte needs the champions. The champions do not need Whyte.

If he thinks he can win he should take the low offer as a loss leader. The same way you might , whatever your profession, do some work for nothing because you know if it goes well you will get a lot more work off the back of it.

Of course if you know you can make money anyway, you don't have to do that. But it seems Whyte doesn't have any other route open to him. What's your advice, just wait for them to offer him more money? You think they don't want to fight him, so they are not going to do that.

Yes of course he might not win. But if taking a low offer is the only way to secure the big pay days he thinks he can get as champion, then he needs to take that low offer. What's the option? If they are ducking him,, as you believe, then if he doesn't do that he ends his career having made a fraction of what he could, complaining nobody gave him a chance. Why on earth should he choose that route?

[Enlightened-One]

You are continually missing the point.

Whyte needs the champions. The champions do not need Whyte.

If he thinks he can win he should take the low offer as a loss leader. The same way you might , whatever your profession, do some work for nothing because you know if it goes well you will get a lot more work off the back of it.

Of course if you know you can make money anyway, you don't have to do that. But it seems Whyte doesn't have any other route open to him. What's your advice, just wait for them to offer him more money? You think they don't want to fight him, so they are not going to do that.

Yes of course he might not win. But if taking a low offer is the only way to secure the big pay days he thinks he can get as champion, then he needs to take that low offer. What's the option? If they are ducking him,, as you believe, then if he doesn't do that he ends his career having made a fraction of what he could, complaining nobody gave him a chance. Why on earth should he choose that route?

I don’t believe that Whyte should resort to willingly allow himself to be exploited by taking a subpar purse in order to receive his already well-earned overdue opportunity to challenge for one of the main versions of the world title.

A PPV fighter like Dillian Whyte shouldn’t be forced to accept a smaller purse for facing AJ than the sum he was paid for the Chisora rematch. And nor should he be compelled to take a monetary figure that was less than the amount that Jarrell Miller was offered.

The sports’ governing bodies need to actually implement their own rules and mandate bouts between their champions and their long-term highest-ranked contenders.

You can’t have the WBC allowing champions, such as Deontay Wilder, being permitted to decline two career-high payday offers to defend their title against their long-term highest-ranked title contenders like Dillian Whyte.

The IBF actually had the sheer audacity to remove Dillian Whyte from their rankings for refusing to accept a ridiculous 25% split of the purse pot they had mandated to compete in one of their final eliminators against Kubrat Pulev on the Bulgarian’s home turf.

Dillian Whyte has been the WBC’s number one ranked contender for a couple of years and has even competed in one of their eliminators. He’s also rated as the highest ranked contender by the WBO also, but they’ll allow Oleksandr Usyk to jump ahead of him in the title shot queue.

The WBA rate Fres Oquendo, Trevor Bryan, Joe Joyce, Manuel Charr and Oleksandr Usyk above Dillian Whyte in their rankings. And surely someone must agree with me when I claim the WBA’s heavyweight situation as being utterly ridiculous?

So it seems the sports’ governing bodies are actively complicit in preventing Dillian Whyte from challenging for their titles.

And even if ‘The Body Snatcher’ offered to face Wilder, Joshua or Fury for “pennies”, there’s no guarantee these men would even take the fight, despite the cut-price bargain-basement offer.

[funso banjo baby]

Fury is the linear champion

end of

my ratings are like this

Fury (C)
1. Wilder
2. Ruiz
3. Joshua
4. Whyte
5. Ortiz
6. Pulev
7. Parker
8. Povetkin
9. Kabayal
10. Rivas, chisora, Kownacki, etc

[gp.]

I don’t believe that Whyte should resort to willingly allow himself to be exploited by taking a subpar purse in order to receive his already well-earned overdue opportunity to challenge for one of the main versions of the world title.

A PPV fighter like Dillian Whyte shouldn’t be forced to accept a smaller purse for facing AJ than the sum he was paid for the Chisora rematch. And nor should he be compelled to take a monetary figure that was less than the amount that Jarrell Miller was offered.

The sports’ governing bodies need to actually implement their own rules and mandate bouts between their champions and their long-term highest-ranked contenders.

You can’t have the WBC allowing champions, such as Deontay Wilder, being permitted to decline two career-high payday offers to defend their title against their long-term highest-ranked title contenders like Dillian Whyte.

The IBF actually had the sheer audacity to remove Dillian Whyte from their rankings for refusing to accept a ridiculous 25% split of the purse pot they had mandated to compete in one of their final eliminators against Kubrat Pulev on the Bulgarian’s home turf.

Dillian Whyte has been the WBC’s number one ranked contender for a couple of years and has even competed in one of their eliminators. He’s also rated as the highest ranked contender by the WBO also, but they’ll allow Oleksandr Usyk to jump ahead of him in the title shot queue.

The WBA rate Fres Oquendo, Trevor Bryan, Joe Joyce, Manuel Charr and Oleksandr Usyk above Dillian Whyte in their rankings. And surely someone must agree with me when I claim the WBA’s heavyweight situation as being utterly ridiculous?

So it seems the sports’ governing bodies are actively complicit in preventing Dillian Whyte from challenging for their titles.

And even if ‘The Body Snatcher’ offered to face Wilder, Joshua or Fury for “pennies”, there’s no guarantee these men would even take the fight, despite the cut-price bargain-basement offer.

So your advice to Dillian Whyte is to wait and hope that the alphabet organisations come riding to his rescue out of a respect for "fairness"?

Honestly?

In the real world, where that isn't going to happen, what do you think he ought to do?

[Enlightened-One]

So your advice to Dillian Whyte is to wait and hope that the alphabet organisations come riding to his rescue out of a respect for "fairness"?

Honestly?

In the real world, where that isn't going to happen, what do you think he ought to do?

I feel that fight fans need to stop being patient and giving their favourite fighters free passes for failing to face the very best available opposition.

AJ wasn’t ridiculed for wanting to face Miller and then Ruiz Jr., after initially lowballing Dillian Whyte.

Wilder seems to be lavished with praise by the US media, despite the calibre of opposition he faces being usually dire. People forget about Whyte’s rating and the fact that Deontay constantly refuses to face him.

Tyson Fury didn’t face a backlash for declining the Wilder rematch, in favour of signing-up with ESPN and facing Tom Schwarz instead. And nor did anyone seem bothered about him flip-flopping about his stance on facing Dillian Whyte either.

People don’t even talk about the fact that Ortiz rejected an opportunity to face Dillian Whyte, claiming he wouldn’t be ready for the July 28th fight-date, despite Luis subsequently and bizarrely facing Jason Gavern on that very same date anyway. The Cuban also received very little criticism for turning down the AJ fight either, despite the massive purse being offered.

Fight fans don’t seem to be that bothered about the ratings of the sports’ governing bodies, hence the reason why certain fighters are being ducked, since promoters often justify their bouts based on rankings or mandatory title challenger status.

A few weeks ago, many forum members and the media might have agreed that Oscar Rivas is a better fighter than Dominic Breazeale, Andy Ruiz Jr. and Tom Schwarz (or at the very least on a par with those guys), but did Dillian Whyte receive any praise from fight fans for agreeing to face the unbeaten Columbian?

Dillian Whyte can only continue doing what he currently does, which is to face the very best available opposition.

I honestly don’t believe that Whyte should resort to allowing himself to be exploited by taking a subpar purse in order to receive his already well-earned overdue title-shot opportunity.

[gp.]

I honestly don’t believe that Whyte should resort to allowing himself to be exploited by taking a subpar purse in order to receive his already well-earned overdue title-shot opportunity.

This is the only thing that is relevant in that long post.

Dillian Whyte can't do anything about the fight game, or what fight fans do. He can't reform the governance of the sport. He can only make decisions regarding himself.

What do you think will happen to Dillian Whyte if he refuses to take a subpar purse? Do you think

a: They will come back and offer him more (despite the fact that you think they are ducking him and don't want to fight him)

or

b: He will never get a title shot?