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Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:26
by diddy
If I’m one of the top guys I dodge Dubois and go after Joyce, no question.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:37
by oogiebe
diddy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:26 If I’m one of the top guys I dodge Dubois and go after Joyce, no question.
Dubois should continue to take it slow and not jump up too much in competition. He's still 21/22 and there's no need to rush. Joyce is who he is. I never rated him as high as others.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:38
by lazboy
Dubois started boxing at age 9. Joyce at 22. It really shows.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:42
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:38 Dubois started boxing at age 9. Joyce at 22. It really shows.
That is huge difference in muscle memory isn't it. Joyce will never be any better than he is now.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:44
by Best Coast
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:38 Dubois started boxing at age 9. Joyce at 22. It really shows.
Wow!! I had no idea, but that is believable. So even though both have been in the fight game for the same amount of time, Daniel's earlier start gives him a more stable foundation. His jab is especially effective and for all Joyce's looping, wind-up punches he really doesnt show much of a jab.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:45
by Best Coast
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:42
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:38 Dubois started boxing at age 9. Joyce at 22. It really shows.
That is huge difference in muscle memory isn't it. Joyce will never be any better than he is now.
Very insightful comment!! :OhYes:

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:47
by lazboy
:TU: :TU:

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:54
by jamamb
i agree for sure, dubs defo better

but its not really an issue of taking one vs the other, they are at very different points. as good as dub is i doubt they have him pushing to a world title as quickly as jj will be

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:55
by lazboy
I will say this about Joyce, to be nice. He’s come very far with heart, toughness and obviously genetics such as natural power and size. He’s also a hard worker. He however does not look ‘at home’ in the ring.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 19:59
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:55 I will say this about Joyce, to be nice. He’s come very far with heart, toughness and obviously genetics such as natural power and size. He’s also a hard worker. He however does not look ‘at home’ in the ring.
Can't argue with that.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:07
by sturm vogel
Dubois the better of the bad lot.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:12
by sturm vogel
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:59
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:55 I will say this about Joyce, to be nice. He’s come very far with heart, toughness and obviously genetics such as natural power and size. He’s also a hard worker. He however does not look ‘at home’ in the ring.
Can't argue with that.
Is this an attempt at comedy? Won't criticize your poor English just poor observation. He just threw hundreds of punches for 12 rounds and didn't dent an aluminum can.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:24
by lazboy
sturm vogel wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:12
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:59

Can't argue with that.
Is this an attempt at comedy? Won't criticize your poor English just poor observation. He just threw hundreds of punches for 12 rounds and didn't dent an aluminum can.
There’s a difference between power and delivery you sod. Just like there’s a different between punching a punching bag and a moving person. Joyce has power, natural power.

Please also criticise my English skills.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:25
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:24
sturm vogel wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:12

Is this an attempt at comedy? Won't criticize your poor English just poor observation. He just threw hundreds of punches for 12 rounds and didn't dent an aluminum can.
There’s a difference between power and delivery you sod. Just like there’s a different between punching a punching bag and a moving person. Joyce has power, natural power.

Please also criticise my English skills.
Why bother with him?

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:31
by lazboy
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:25
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:24

There’s a difference between power and delivery you sod. Just like there’s a different between punching a punching bag and a moving person. Joyce has power, natural power.

Please also criticise my English skills.
Why bother with him?
I’ve never come across him. Haven’t been on as much (boxrec), I assume he’s a new troll then? I won’t bother further, thanks for the heads up.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:32
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:31
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:25
Why bother with him?
I’ve never come across him. Haven’t been on as much (boxrec), I assume he’s a new troll then? I won’t bother further, thanks for the heads up.
Whatever I can do to help. He is a troll.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:33
by lazboy
Cheers.....ain’t nobody got time for that.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:36
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:33 Cheers.....ain’t nobody got time for that.
BTW, how'd you like DDD's jab and body work tonight?

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:51
by lazboy
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:36
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:33 Cheers.....ain’t nobody got time for that.
BTW, how'd you like DDD's jab and body work tonight?
I like his jab. He can control it. Fast and accurate. Would freeze opponents. His body work was good but I thought there was more room for it rather that the looping overhand right which he was throwing. Gorman had a high guard leaving his body exposed. Can take that criticism lightly as the overhand was clearly hitting the mark and was the punch that dropped Gorman on those two occasions. He’s very promising. Patient and controlled, with some more punch variety, some more speed on his feet. I’m a fan and will be watching. What did you think overall?

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 21:54
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:51
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:36
BTW, how'd you like DDD's jab and body work tonight?
I like his jab. He can control it. Fast and accurate. Would freeze opponents. His body work was good but I thought there was more room for it rather that the looping overhand right which he was throwing. Gorman had a high guard leaving his body exposed. Can take that criticism lightly as the overhand was clearly hitting the mark and was the punch that dropped Gorman on those two occasions. He’s very promising. Patient and controlled, with some more punch variety, some more speed on his feet. I’m a fan and will be watching. What did you think overall?
I've never seen him look that good before. He mixed up his punches well. Worked behind the jab well. Was moving in and out more than I've seen him. Took some solid shots without blinking. If he keeps improving, he has the talent to be a force in the division in another year. I'm drooling over Ajagba vs DDD in 18 months or so.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 22:00
by lazboy
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:54
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:51

I like his jab. He can control it. Fast and accurate. Would freeze opponents. His body work was good but I thought there was more room for it rather that the looping overhand right which he was throwing. Gorman had a high guard leaving his body exposed. Can take that criticism lightly as the overhand was clearly hitting the mark and was the punch that dropped Gorman on those two occasions. He’s very promising. Patient and controlled, with some more punch variety, some more speed on his feet. I’m a fan and will be watching. What did you think overall?
I've never seen him look that good before. He mixed up his punches well. Worked behind the jab well. Was moving in and out more than I've seen him. Took some solid shots without blinking. If he keeps improving, he has the talent to be a force in the division in another year. I'm drooling over Ajagba vs DDD in 18 months or so.
I was being a bit harsh honestly, I agree, he was on point. We have a promising young heavyweight. Given his attitude post fight I’d say he can only improve. Great for boxing and the division.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 22:02
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 22:00
oogiebe wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:54

I've never seen him look that good before. He mixed up his punches well. Worked behind the jab well. Was moving in and out more than I've seen him. Took some solid shots without blinking. If he keeps improving, he has the talent to be a force in the division in another year. I'm drooling over Ajagba vs DDD in 18 months or so.
I was being a bit harsh honestly, I agree, he was on point. We have a promising young heavyweight. Given his attitude post fight I’d say he can only improve. Great for boxing and the division.
I hope he doesn't get rushed. Gorman is good UK level, but DDD still has things to work on before stepping up too much.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 22:37
by victor-romeo
I would like to see Hrgovic vs DuBois..

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 22:40
by oogiebe
victor-romeo wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 22:37 I would like to see Hrgovic vs DuBois..
Much as I like DDD, he's not ready for Hrgovic yet. Maybe another year and four or five fights.

Re: Dubois > Joyce

Posted: 13 Jul 2019, 22:44
by Ilya Muromets
lazboy wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 19:55 I will say this about Joyce, to be nice. He’s come very far with heart, toughness and obviously genetics such as natural power and size. He’s also a hard worker. He however does not look ‘at home’ in the ring.

He takes a punch well too. He's strong - but he looks like he's fighting underwater! I don't recall ever seeing a fighter who threw punches in slow motion like that.