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just wondering if there is a presidence for this

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:25 just wondering if there is a presidence for this

Not PED's but there was the fella who trained Lennox' Lewis, Pepe Correa, who took the stuffing out of his fighters gloves leaving the opponent blind and he ended up committing suicide.

Coco wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:25 just wondering if there is a presidence for this

Not PED's but there was the fella who trained Lennox' Lewis, Pepe Correa, who took the stuffing out of his fighters gloves leaving the opponent blind and he ended up committing suicide.

Sounds similar to Resto/Collins. I still get upset when I'm reminded of that. Billy Collins JR. was a fav of mine back in the day. Completely criminal and tragic situation.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:25 just wondering if there is a presidence for this

I think the correct answer here might be "No-one has yet failed a PED test following a fight for which their opponent was killed/permanently injured", if you get my drift.

The less exact answer is very, very probably. Muller someone into a coma/brain ward whilst ingesting so much gear your piss is bright radioactive green, & you passed the test, I venture not many would put then their hands up & go "Oh, by the way...."

Besides, one-off freakish things aside, boxing damage is cumulative, so a more apposite but rather less cut & dried answer might be "Not as yet but it's probably contributed to shitloads of things which've happened later or will happen down the road".

Coco wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:25 just wondering if there is a presidence for this

Not PED's but there was the fella who trained Lennox' Lewis, Pepe Correa, who took the stuffing out of his fighters gloves leaving the opponent blind and he ended up committing suicide.

Panama Lewis=/=Pepe Correa, mate.

The bloke who gave Pryor the bottle not the little fella in the Hawaiian shirts.

Datsue wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:06

Coco wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:59

Not PED's but there was the fella who trained Lennox' Lewis, Pepe Correa, who took the stuffing out of his fighters gloves leaving the opponent blind and he ended up committing suicide.

Panama Lewis=/=Pepe Correa, mate.

The bloke who gave Pryor the bottle not the little fella in the Hawaiian shirts.

Lewis was also the same arse who had the magic brown bottle in Pryor's corner vs Arguello.

Datsue wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:06

Coco wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:59

Not PED's but there was the fella who trained Lennox' Lewis, Pepe Correa, who took the stuffing out of his fighters gloves leaving the opponent blind and he ended up committing suicide.

Panama Lewis=/=Pepe Correa, mate.

The bloke who gave Pryor the bottle not the little fella in the Hawaiian shirts.

Time has muddied my brain! I should google more before slandering folk!

Coco wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:20 Time has muddied my brain! I should google more before slandering folk!

Happens to us all mate. I was explaining how Billy Joel Cyrus sired an unlikely entertainment dynasty the other day, despite having the handicap of a mullet...

If i remember correctly Dennis Lebedev took a horrible beating against Guillermo Jones, resulting a stoppage. Jones then failed a test after the fight.

But not everyone is tested. Some say undercard fighters are not always tested.
When was the last time where a boxer in a main event died?

Obviously we had Adonis who was badly injured.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:02

Coco wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:59

Not PED's but there was the fella who trained Lennox' Lewis, Pepe Correa, who took the stuffing out of his fighters gloves leaving the opponent blind and he ended up committing suicide.

Sounds similar to Resto/Collins. I still get upset when I'm reminded of that. Billy Collins JR. was a fav of mine back in the day. Completely criminal and tragic situation.

Me too.

I was reading an article the other week about the trainer who is still training boxers and people were saying he is a good guy etc.

That fight broke Collins mentally and physically and broke his spirit and his heart - a despicable thing for somebody to do.

bripez wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 16:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:02
Sounds similar to Resto/Collins. I still get upset when I'm reminded of that. Billy Collins JR. was a fav of mine back in the day. Completely criminal and tragic situation.

Me too.

I was reading an article the other week about the trainer who is still training boxers and people were saying he is a good guy etc.

That fight broke Collins mentally and physically and broke his spirit and his heart - a despicable thing for somebody to do.

I thought Panama Lewis had a lifetime ban? He should've been in jail

Ricky wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:25 If i remember correctly Dennis Lebedev took a horrible beating against Guillermo Jones, resulting a stoppage. Jones then failed a test after the fight.

good shout. no death but freakish injury there. jones was like a machine that fight, was getting nailed with loads and loads yet just kept on

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 16:43

bripez wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 16:41

Me too.

I was reading an article the other week about the trainer who is still training boxers and people were saying he is a good guy etc.

That fight broke Collins mentally and physically and broke his spirit and his heart - a despicable thing for somebody to do.

I thought Panama Lewis had a lifetime ban? He should've been in jail

He trained Sultan and Timur ibragimov and also Zab Judah for a while I think - there is possibly a technicality that he can train boxers but not work their corner in fights (although not sure if this applies to all States).

bripez wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 17:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 16:43
I thought Panama Lewis had a lifetime ban? He should've been in jail

He trained Sultan and Timur ibragimov and also Zab Judah for a while I think - there is possibly a technicality that he can train boxers but not work their corner in fights (although not sure if this applies to all States).

Hmmm...I do remember him working out of a Miami gym. Shame. Criminal mate.

One I'd encourage everyone to watch. I thought this was an excellent documentary.

jameswilson wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 17:27 One I'd encourage everyone to watch. I thought this was an excellent documentary.

Yup. Saw that one. It's terrific. Really gets me pissed off!

Yeah definitely not one to watch if you're looking to feel good about your fellow man.

I say with absolutely no emotion in my voice or on my face that Panama Lewis as a piece of sh1t.

jameswilson wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 17:32 Yeah definitely not one to watch if you're looking to feel good about your fellow man.

I say with absolutely no emotion in my voice or on my face that Panama Lewis as a piece of sh1t.

Lewis should've been jailed. And Collins' pop was no angel either. He really messed up Billy too.

jameswilson wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 17:27 One I'd encourage everyone to watch. I thought this was an excellent documentary.

one of best pieces of TV i ever seen. Been trying to get a hold of HBOs Tapia documentary.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 17:33

jameswilson wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 17:32 Yeah definitely not one to watch if you're looking to feel good about your fellow man.

I say with absolutely no emotion in my voice or on my face that Panama Lewis as a piece of sh1t.

Lewis should've been jailed. And Collins' pop was no angel either. He really messed up Billy too.

i may be wrong but i thought both resto and lewis got jailtime from what i remember.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:27 But not everyone is tested. Some say undercard fighters are not always tested.
When was the last time where a boxer in a main event died?

Obviously we had Adonis who was badly injured.

Boxing testing is laughable compared to the UFC. Though it has improved from nonexistent.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:27 But not everyone is tested. Some say undercard fighters are not always tested.
When was the last time where a boxer in a main event died?

Obviously we had Adonis who was badly injured.

I have watched too many films. I thought you meant Creed and was not sure if we knew for sure that Drago Jnr was juiced or not

tobyh5 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 12:24

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:27 But not everyone is tested. Some say undercard fighters are not always tested.
When was the last time where a boxer in a main event died?

Obviously we had Adonis who was badly injured.

I have watched too many films. I thought you meant Creed and was not sure if we knew for sure that Drago Jnr was juiced or not

Good one. I prefer type Adonis rather than Stevenson.

Zab Judah was left with a brain bleed after fighting Cletus Seldin...Seldin had PREVIOUSLY had a... Bad test
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