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I saw that fight a few times and there is no doubt that Martinez lost it against Murray. Also Murray should've won the WBA super title against Sturm but he was badly screwed.

It was very close fight that could go either way IMO.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 05:19 I saw that fight a few times and there is no doubt that Martinez lost it against Murray. Also Murray should've won the WBA super title against Sturm but he was badly screwed.

Murray's loss against Martinez wasn't a robbery. In my mind, the Brit deserved to win it, but it was a close fight.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the historical board rather than residing in the current scene, since you're talking about a fight that took place more than six years ago?

Cent0089 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 05:50 It was very close fight that could go either way IMO.

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Nope. Numbers don't lie. Martinez got beat by Murray.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 06:36

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 05:19 I saw that fight a few times and there is no doubt that Martinez lost it against Murray. Also Murray should've won the WBA super title against Sturm but he was badly screwed.

Murray's loss against Martinez wasn't a robbery. In my mind, the Brit deserved to win it, but it was a close fight.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the historical board rather than residing in the current scene, since you're talking about a fight that took place more than six years ago?

Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 06:36
Murray's loss against Martinez wasn't a robbery. In my mind, the Brit deserved to win it, but it was a close fight.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the historical board rather than residing in the current scene, since you're talking about a fight that took place more than six years ago?

Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 06:36
Murray's loss against Martinez wasn't a robbery. In my mind, the Brit deserved to win it, but it was a close fight.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the historical board rather than residing in the current scene, since you're talking about a fight that took place more than six years ago?

Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise.

Here are examples of four facts:
• Unlike the amateurs, bouts in the pro ranks aren’t scored according to the punch count landed.
• CompuBox stats aren’t flawlessly accurate.
• The barometer used to determine whether the outcome of a fight should be deemed as being a “robbery” or not is subjective in nature.
• Opinions and feelings aren’t facts and nor should they be considered as being "evidence" or "proof"

These are two of your opinions:
• CompuBox punch stats are effective at undermining the judges’ scoring of fights
• The outcome of the Murray-Martinez fight was a “robbery”

Please learn to use a dictionary.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:29

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00



Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise.

Here are examples of four facts:
• Unlike the amateurs, bouts in the pro ranks aren’t scored according to the punch count landed.
• CompuBox stats aren’t flawlessly accurate.
• The barometer used to determine whether the outcome of a fight should be deemed as being a “robbery” or not is subjective in nature.
• Opinions and feelings aren’t facts and nor should they be considered as being "evidence" or "proof"

These are two of your opinions:
• CompuBox punch stats are effective at undermining the judges’ scoring of fights
• The outcome of the Murray-Martinez fight was a “robbery”

Please learn to use a dictionary.

Watch that fight again on mute. Murray beat Martinez. He even KD Martinez.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 06:36
Murray's loss against Martinez wasn't a robbery. In my mind, the Brit deserved to win it, but it was a close fight.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the historical board rather than residing in the current scene, since you're talking about a fight that took place more than six years ago?

Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise.

How could he technically have won? He technically lost.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 08:11Watch that fight again on mute. Murray beat Martinez. He even KD Martinez.

Who are you arguing against? You've even quoted my words on the matter! Can you not read properly?

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 06:36Murray's loss against Martinez wasn't a robbery. In my mind, the Brit deserved to win it, but it was a close fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:06

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 08:11Watch that fight again on mute. Murray beat Martinez. He even KD Martinez.

Who are you arguing against? You've even quoted my words on the matter! Can you not read properly?

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00

Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise. Also you can re-watch the fight. Murray beat Martinez.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:20

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:06Who are you arguing against? You've even quoted my words on the matter! Can you not read properly?

Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise. Also you can re-watch the fight. Murray beat Martinez.

I'm getting worried about you! Are you going out of your mind?

We both believe that Martin Murray should have beaten Sergio Martinez, but for some strange reason, your pretending as though we're having some sort of argument.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:24

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:20Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise. Also you can re-watch the fight. Murray beat Martinez.

I'm getting worried about you! Are you going out of your mind?

We both believe that Martin Murray should have beaten Sergio Martinez, but for some strange reason, your pretending as though we're having some sort of argument.

Murray did beat Martinez. He should have got the decision.

Murray was unlucky not to get the nod on the scorecards. But it was quite close and the home fighter often gets the benefit of the doubt in those situations.

If Murray had been lineal champ, then GGG would have picked it up when he beat him in Monaco a couple years later and Canelo would be lineal champ now as he beat GGG last year (also a close fight that people have argued over).

Since Martinez won, he lost to Cotto, who subsequently lost to Canelo (yet another close fight).

So ultimately, the lineal champ at MW is Canelo and would have been had Murray got the official win vs Martinez or not.

Whether he beat GGG or Cotto are other arguments altogether (that have done to death already).

keirw wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 10:40 Murray was unlucky not to get the nod on the scorecards. But it was quite close and the home fighter often gets the benefit of the doubt in those situations.

If Murray had been lineal champ, then GGG would have picked it up when he beat him in Monaco a couple years later and Canelo would be lineal champ now as he beat GGG last year (also a close fight that people have argued over).

Since Martinez won, he lost to Cotto, who subsequently lost to Canelo (yet another close fight).

So ultimately, the lineal champ at MW is Canelo and would have been had Murray got the official win vs Martinez or not.

Whether he beat GGG or Cotto are other arguments altogether (that have done to death already).

Indeed, Murray was very unlucky as he was against Sturm. He should've been two times champion but it was what it was. Martinez, as it should be, he got the benefit of the doubt in his home country but if a non-puncher like Murray dropped him it tells us what we need to know how in a bad shape Martinez was. Cotto was very lucky to fight a 'crippled' version of Martinez and get that nice scalp.

Close fight, but Martinez won it.

I always thought Murray vs Sturm was a rightful draw.

Macklin vs Sturm was a much worse decision.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 12:08 Close fight, but Martinez won it.

X2

Close fight that could've gone either way, personally had Martinez just winning

I had Murray losing to Sturm by a point

Macklin got legit robbed vs Sturm though

GGG would've probably beat Martinez I think, too bad that never happened for him though, wouldve made his resume look a lot better

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 15:28 Close fight that could've gone either way, personally had Martinez just winning

I had Murray losing to Sturm by a point

Macklin got legit robbed vs Sturm though

GGG would've probably beat Martinez I think, too bad that never happened for him though, wouldve made his resume look a lot better

Yeah, just imagine if it was GGG that was in the stadium that night instead of Murray, the judges could have took the night off.

Yeah I think so, I had him winning even without scoring the 2nd knockdown the ref should've given, I thought he deserved the win more against Martinez than the draw he got against Sturm

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 15:28 Close fight that could've gone either way, personally had Martinez just winning

I had Murray losing to Sturm by a point

Macklin got legit robbed vs Sturm though

GGG would've probably beat Martinez I think, too bad that never happened for him though, wouldve made his resume look a lot better

I would like to have seen SMartinez v 3G in 2010.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 15:28 Close fight that could've gone either way, personally had Martinez just winning

I had Murray losing to Sturm by a point

Macklin got legit robbed vs Sturm though

GGG would've probably beat Martinez I think, too bad that never happened for him though, wouldve made his resume look a lot better

G'd have stopped Martinez. But at that time G was just a very high risk and low reward type of fighter. So Martinez had to fight JCCJr and Cotto to get some good paydays,

keirw wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 16:21

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 15:28 Close fight that could've gone either way, personally had Martinez just winning

I had Murray losing to Sturm by a point

Macklin got legit robbed vs Sturm though

GGG would've probably beat Martinez I think, too bad that never happened for him though, wouldve made his resume look a lot better

Yeah, just imagine if it was GGG that was in the stadium that night instead of Murray, the judges could have took the night off.

Yup. Easy work for G.

handsofstone wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 16:24 Yeah I think so, I had him winning even without scoring the 2nd knockdown the ref should've given, I thought he deserved the win more against Martinez than the draw he got against Sturm

No doubt. Martinez was in a poor shape. I think that was Murray's best performance.